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Earth's magnetic field 'boosts gravity'
New Scientist ^ | 09:20 22 September 02 | Michael Brooks

Posted on 09/23/2002 11:11:32 AM PDT by VadeRetro

Exclusive from New Scientist

Hidden extra dimensions are causing measurements of the strength of gravity at different locations on Earth to be affected by the planet's magnetic field, French researchers say.

This is a controversial claim because no one has ever provided experimental evidence to support either the existence of extra dimensions or any interaction between gravity and electromagnetism. But lab measurements of Newton's gravitational constant G suggest that both are real.

Newton's constant, which describes the strength of the gravitational pull that bodies exert on each other, is the most poorly determined of the constants of nature. The two most accurate measurements have experimental errors of 1 part in 10,000, yet their values differ by 10 times that amount. So physicists are left with no idea of its absolute value.

Now Jean-Paul Mbelek and Marc Lachieze-Ray of the French Atomic Energy Commission near Paris say they can resolve the contradiction by taking into account the location of the labs where the experiments were carried out.

The pair suggest that electromagnetism and gravity influence one another enough for gravity's pull to be noticeably affected by the Earth's magnetic field.

String theory

Their work is based on theories such as string theory that try to unify all the forces, including electromagnetism and gravity, by invoking the existence of several extra spatial dimensions.

In a paper submitted to Classical and Quantum Gravity and presented at a meeting of the European Astronomical Society in Porto, Portugal, the researchers calculated the values they would expect G to have at different locations around the world. They say it should be greater where the Earth's magnetic field is stronger, with the highest measurements at the north and south magnetic poles.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; crevolist; darkenergy; darkmatter; electrogravitics; gravity; magneticfield; magnetism; poleshift; realscience; stringtheory; theoryofeverything
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1 posted on 09/23/2002 11:11:33 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Physicist; longshadow; PatrickHenry; general_re; balrog666; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; ...
Ping!
2 posted on 09/23/2002 11:13:30 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
anyway that I can loose 20 lbs from this?
3 posted on 09/23/2002 11:17:26 AM PDT by woofie
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To: VadeRetro
No need for that "Fat Tax" after all, as I don't weigh as much as I thought! <|:)~
4 posted on 09/23/2002 11:18:05 AM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: sasquatch
ping for Roddenberry.
5 posted on 09/23/2002 11:18:41 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: VadeRetro
Those hidden extra dimensions are probably misunderstood parts of one dimension.
6 posted on 09/23/2002 11:21:18 AM PDT by Consort
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To: VadeRetro
My husband loves to laugh at me because I once told him that one of these days they'll prove there is no such thing as "gravity," or "gravitons," that the force we feel as gravity is a vector, a resultant force from several forces affecting the neighborhood.

Sometimes I wonder if there were many big bangs, and there are waves of universes in front of us and behind us, so to speak.

7 posted on 09/23/2002 11:23:33 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: woofie
anyway that I can loose 20 lbs from this?

If going to the North Pole doesn't work, try going to the equator.

8 posted on 09/23/2002 11:23:49 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I donno. Were there anything to this, any electric motor or electro magnet should weigh more (or maybe less?) when it's operating, compared to when it's not. Wouldn't this have been observed by now? (Maybe not, if no one ever thought to look.)
9 posted on 09/23/2002 11:24:39 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro
Funny how the New Scientist announces biweekly that the laws of physics have been overturned.
10 posted on 09/23/2002 11:26:03 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry
No doubt that's why thinking too hard makes my head get heavy and I fall asleep.
11 posted on 09/23/2002 11:26:03 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
How can you sleep at night?
;^)
12 posted on 09/23/2002 11:26:08 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Physicist
Funny how the New Scientist announces biweekly that the laws of physics have been overturned.

They should do it twice a week, doubling their chance of being right in a given time frame.

13 posted on 09/23/2002 11:27:13 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
I have found that Smucker's strawberry perserves, when generously smeared on croissants, also seems to boost gravity. At least my gravity.
14 posted on 09/23/2002 11:32:17 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: VadeRetro
If true, this is huge!
15 posted on 09/23/2002 11:33:10 AM PDT by sourcery
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To: patriciaruth
My husband loves to laugh at me because I once told him that one of these days they'll prove there is no such thing as "gravity," or "gravitons," that the force we feel as gravity is a vector, a resultant force from several forces affecting the neighborhood.

EM and what else? There aren't that many forces in physics.

Sometimes I wonder if there were many big bangs, and there are waves of universes in front of us and behind us, so to speak.

Reminds me of "the Deteriorata" (parody of that New Age Desiderata). "You are a fluke of the universe, and whether or not you can understand it the universe is laughing behind your back."

16 posted on 09/23/2002 11:33:40 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: PatrickHenry
You can't spell "gravity" without "gravy."
17 posted on 09/23/2002 11:34:15 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
This was a fun read.

Link to www.realityphysics.com

18 posted on 09/23/2002 11:34:55 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
Already (one page read), I like the colors. Reminds me of Time Cube, but then I was educated stupid by evil dumb teachers.
19 posted on 09/23/2002 11:37:44 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Variations in the earth's gravitational field and surface gravitation have been known for some time. Gravitation is the result of mass and mass density. This varies at different places within the earth.
20 posted on 09/23/2002 11:45:08 AM PDT by RLK
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To: RLK
That's the earth's density. The article I think refers to Cavendish-like experiments measuring the strength of attraction between calibrated masses. That should be invariant but perhaps isn't if existing measurements are any indication.
21 posted on 09/23/2002 11:47:25 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Physicist; *RealScience
"New Scientist" - not just a science magazine, but a handy hoax generator and new age propaganda machine all-in-one.
22 posted on 09/23/2002 11:48:34 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: VadeRetro
Wonder what ol' Ted would've made of this one.
23 posted on 09/23/2002 11:54:07 AM PDT by Junior
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To: VadeRetro
If going to the North Pole doesn't work, try going to the equator.

Seems viable. Not necessarily due to less effect from the Earth's magnetic field, but maybe centrifugal force? Out at the equator, seems like you ought to weigh a little less just due to the fact that you're more likely to "get flung off" or "lift off" from the Earth as it spins than you are at the poles 8^)

Ever get on one of those manual spinny-merry-go-round-thingies at a playground? It's pretty easy to stay on if you sit in the middle (pole), but the closer you get to the edge (equator) the more likely you are to get flung off.

How's that for a totally non-scientific reason why you should weigh less at the equator than the poles?

Maybe I should submit a white paper to one of these fancy schmancy French scientific journals? Might even get a free international conference trip out of the deal.

24 posted on 09/23/2002 11:56:13 AM PDT by MCH
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To: Junior
Threads now get pulled at the mention of Saint Teddy. His screeching partisans are the new "bandarlog," to use a term he stole from Kipling.
25 posted on 09/23/2002 11:56:58 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: MCH
You're quite right, but again, it's not your weight that in real question, but the slight measured force between calibrated weights in a lab at one place versus the other.
26 posted on 09/23/2002 11:58:41 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Junior
Wonder what ol' Ted would've made of this one.

Second answer: More proof of "the electric universe."

27 posted on 09/23/2002 12:01:48 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
New Scientist might have passed this by Brian Greene at Harvard. He's the leading scholar on Calabi-Yau syndrome (dimensions folding upon one another and spontaneously releasing) and string theory.
28 posted on 09/23/2002 12:04:21 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
The Elegant Universe was a decent read, but that stuff's too much for me. Leaves my old brain reeling.
29 posted on 09/23/2002 12:08:07 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
read later
30 posted on 09/23/2002 12:12:10 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: MCH
How's that for a totally non-scientific reason why you should weigh less at the equator than the poles?

It's a scientific reason, and it really holds true. Things do weigh more at the poles than they do at the equator.

31 posted on 09/23/2002 12:12:42 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: VadeRetro

32 posted on 09/23/2002 12:22:34 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro
Gravity will always be higher in the presence of French scientists, given that the French suck more than any other nation I know...
33 posted on 09/23/2002 12:27:38 PM PDT by general_re
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To: VadeRetro
Proves my point - France sucks more than China, as your map clearly illustrates...
34 posted on 09/23/2002 12:28:55 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
Whereas the Chinese would be lighter due to the influence of Chinese cooking versus French cooking . . .
35 posted on 09/23/2002 12:29:36 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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Posted by f.Christian to medved
On News/Activism Sep 8 2:35 PM #107 of 176

To: Dimensio
As I see it, evolution is an ideological doctrine. If it were only a "scientific theory", it would have died a natural death 50 - 70 years ago; the evidence against it is too overwhelming and has been all along. The people defending it are doing so because they do not like the alternatives to an atheistic basis for science and do not like the logical implications of abandoning their atheistic paradigm and, in conducting themselves that way, they have achieved a degree of immunity to what most people call logic.

488 posted on 7/29/02 5:18 AM Pacific by medved

Main Entry: log·ic

Pronunciation: 'lä-jik
Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English logik, from Middle French logique, from Latin logica, from Greek logikE, from feminine of logikos of reason, from logos reason -- more at LEGEND

Date: 12th century

1 a

(1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning

(2) : a branch or variety of logic

(3) : a branch of semiotic; especially : SYNTACTICS

(4) : the formal principles of a branch of knowledge

b (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty

(2) : RELEVANCE, PROPRIETY

c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable

d : the arrangement of circuit elements (as in a computer) needed for computation; also : the circuits themselves

2 : something that forces a decision apart from or in opposition to reason < the logic of war >

- lo·gi·cian /lO-'ji-sh&n/ noun


36 posted on 09/23/2002 12:30:11 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: anymouse
"New Scientist" - not just a science magazine, but a handy hoax generator and new age propaganda machine all-in-one.

You forgot union newsletter.

37 posted on 09/23/2002 12:30:26 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Jimer
Those hidden extra dimensions are probably misunderstood parts of one dimension

They are additional to the ordinary 3 spatial dimensions and some can be as much as 0.0001 mm in size before they loop back around.

Watch these French scientists. They are working hard and are extremely capable. Sometimes it is N-rays, but their diligence may yet pay off.

38 posted on 09/23/2002 12:32:07 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: VadeRetro
Exactly. Chinese food breaks down more quickly due to its lack of French-style mass, as evidenced by the fact that one is hungry again about a half-hour after eating Chinese. Whereas, after sitting down to a nice French meal of horse meat and snails, one may not feel the urge to eat again for many days or weeks afterward...
39 posted on 09/23/2002 12:32:54 PM PDT by general_re
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To: VadeRetro
butte (byt)
n. Chiefly Western U.S.
A hill that rises abruptly from the surrounding area and has sloping sides and a flat top.




[French, from Old French butt, mound behind targets. See butt3.]









Pronunciation Key

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.









Butte (byt)

A city of southwest Montana south-southwest of Helena. It has been a mining center since its settlement in the 1860s and enjoyed its greatest importance after the discovery of copper deposits in 1880. Population: 37,205.









Pronunciation Key

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.









butte \Butte\, n. [F. See Butt a bound.] A detached low mountain, or high rising abruptly from the general level of the surrounding plain; -- applied to peculiar elevations in the Rocky Mountain region.

The creek . . . passes by two remarkable buttes of red conglomerate. --Ruxton.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.









butte, AK (CDP, FIPS 9710) Location: 61.54247 N, 149.05167 W Population (1990): 2039 (798 housing units) Area: 126.1 sq km (land), 10.2 sq km (water) Zip code(s): 99645 Butte, MT Zip code(s): 59750 Butte, ND (city, FIPS 11180) Location: 47.83741 N, 100.66592 W Population (1990): 129 (90 housing units) Area: 0.7 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water) Zip code(s): 58723 Butte, NE (village, FIPS 7485) Location: 42.91263 N, 98.84795 W Population (1990): 452 (221 housing units) Area: 1.1 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water) Zip code(s): 68722


Source: U.S. Gazetteer, U.S. Census Bureau



40 posted on 09/23/2002 12:37:25 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: VadeRetro
Geologic column---dating??

Why does it look like it does(grand canyon)?

"The reason that it looks the way does is due to the sequence in which the events that help to create it happened. We already know that there was once a very tall chain of mountains in the area that occupied the Grand Canyon. These mountains were, over many millions of years, eventually eroded away to form a level plain. Fluctuations in climate then caused the oceans to move in over successive periods and each time a new rock layer was deposited. The rock layers were deposited one on top of the other and sometimes there were long periods in between in which some of the upper layers were eroded away, sometimes completely."

We already know that there was once a very tall chain of mountains in the area that occupied the Grand Canyon. These mountains were, over many millions of years, eventually eroded away to form a level plain.

That is called science..."we already know"!

Campfire stories! Junk!!

Evolution...tall tales---big lies(no comprehension)!

But the effect is permanent---zombie brains---religion!

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41 posted on 09/23/2002 12:42:45 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Junior
Wonder what ol' Ted would've made of this one.

Further proof that Saturn is STILL hovering over the North Pole?

42 posted on 09/23/2002 12:44:52 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
Petroleum - the archetypal fossil fuel - couldn't have formed from the remains of dead animals and plants, claim US and Russian researchers1. They argue that... petroleum---originated from minerals at extreme temperatures and pressures."

Geologic columns...what about the massive canyon on mars---no water!

The size---circumference of the Earth has gotten smaller(although at certain pts. it could have been changing/variable). During collapse large ridges---mountains would protrude upwards! Land wouldn't form evenly...continents would remain at higher levels above water level then plates would dry out---shrink producing canyons--basins--ravines...then cooled and hot sediments would form as the shrinking would continue...producing more mountains/hills--'volcanoes'---to fill the receding gaps!

At the Grand Canyon older sedimentary levels are at the top and the fresher/newer ones below...those straight up 'buttes' came out of hole--soft spots in the plates like cake decorations---Ayres Rock like a bubble in a blown tire.

All that erosion crap old age of the Earth is hooie-dooie!

There is not enough dust on the moon to support an old earth dating system!


43 posted on 09/23/2002 12:45:46 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: VadeRetro
The two most accurate measurements of G contradict each other.
It's precision, not accuracy, and the graph is meaningless without mentioning the confidence interval. There is an indeterminant error. Get more data and let someone else do the lab work.
Right?
44 posted on 09/23/2002 12:46:20 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: VadeRetro
This sounds like something akin to precision and accuracy conflict. I would suggest team A and team B swap locations, measure, swap equipment, measure, swap locations again, measure, swap equipment again and perform a final measurement. See what drops out.

Screech!!


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Splifford the bat says: Always remember:

A mind is a terrible thing to waste; especially on an evolutionist.
Just say no to narcotic drugs, alcohol abuse, and corrupt ideological doctrines.

45 posted on 09/23/2002 12:46:26 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: RightWhale
Synchronicity?
47 posted on 09/23/2002 12:47:07 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: f.Christian
You forgot Study Butte Texas. Pronounced Stewdy Bewt but usually getting the expected mispronuncion.
48 posted on 09/23/2002 12:49:41 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Doctor Stochastic
A little to early to be tippling.
49 posted on 09/23/2002 12:50:24 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
ME TOOOOO!
50 posted on 09/23/2002 12:52:25 PM PDT by AndrewC
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