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Gore Iraq Speech Could Galvanize Anti-War Forces - Zogby
Reuters ^ | September 24, 2002

Posted on 09/24/2002 1:50:31 PM PDT by Shermy

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A fierce attack on President Bush ( news - web sites)'s Iraq policy issued by former Vice President Al Gore ( news - web sites) could help galvanize U.S. opposition to a new Gulf war ( news - web sites) while serving as a launching pad for Gore's probable 2004 presidential campaign, analysts said on Tuesday.

In a speech in San Francisco, the defeated 2000 Democratic presidential nominee on Monday laid out a scathing critique of Bush's Iraq policy.

Pollster John Zogby said Gore's message was "very well timed."

"Gore stepped in just as it appeared that pro-war sentiment would go virtually unchallenged in Congress and in the country," Zogby said. "There will be an anti-war movement that grows out of this."

Democrats in the U.S. Congress, acutely aware the mid-term elections that will decide control of both houses of Congress are only six weeks away, have been wary of speaking out against Bush on Iraq. Their main tactic has been to try to change the subject to domestic issues but with scant success.

Bush has been pressing Congress to debate Iraq and endorse his policy within the next couple of weeks before lawmakers leave Washington for the election campaign rather than waiting until mid-November.

"Gore put forward some legitimate and substantive arguments which might make it possible for the country to have a real debate. That makes him stand out among the various potential Democratic presidential candidates," said Steven Wayne, a political scientist at Georgetown University.

Gore, who as a senator supported the 1991 Gulf War, laid out several objections to Bush's determination to remove President Saddam Hussein ( news - web sites) from power, if necessary by force and with the United States acting alone.

He said a war against Iraq distracted attention from the war against terrorism and the need to stabilize Afghanistan ( news - web sites). It also alienated and frightened U.S. allies, would cost billions of dollars and might leave Iraq so unstable and disorganized it would become even more dangerous to the United States.

'WORSE DANGER'

"The resulting chaos in the aftermath of a military victory with Iraq could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than does Saddam," Gore said.

A number of analysts said on Tuesday the speech marked the beginning of Gore's quest for the presidency in 2004.

"He is asserting his leadership of the Democratic Party and kicking off his 2004 campaign. If the Iraq war does go sour, Gore will become the 'I told you so' guy and will look like a prophet," said American University historian Allan Lichtman.

Polls show the administration has made substantial progress in recent weeks in convincing Americans it was vital to rid the world of Saddam, who Bush says is developing weapons of mass destruction and backing international terrorism.

But only around 52 percent of Democrats support the war, leaving Gore giving a voice to a substantial constituency within his own party, many frustrated with the timidity of their congressional leaders.

"Gore is trying to present himself as the only Democrat with backbone and the guts to take on the president," said Tom DeLuca, a political scientist with Fordham University in New York.

When voters were asked if they would still support a war with Iraq if it involved substantial U.S. casualties and resulted in U.S. troops remaining as an occupying power for a substantial period of time, support fell well below 50 percent, according to Zogby.

Still, around 60 percent of Americans now seem to support the idea of toppling Saddam, even though they would prefer to see Bush secure United Nations ( news - web sites) backing and go into combat with some allies alongside him, polls show.

And all the war talk seems to have helped Bush and the Republicans in the buildup to the mid-term elections.

"The Bush administration has succeeded in shifting the debate from domestic issues where they are weak to Iraq and Republicans have benefited," said Democratic consultant and pollster Jennifer Laszlo.

"For instance, yesterday's news that the Nasdaq stock index hit a six-year low was pretty much buried by the president's latest comments on Iraq," she said.

Pollster Andrew Kohut of the Pew Research Center said Gore was taking a substantial political risk with the speech even if events proved him right.

He recalled that opponents to the Vietnam War did not fare well with voters even though that conflict turned into a disastrous defeat for the United States. At the height of the conflict, President Richard Nixon trounced dovish Democrat George McGovern in the 1972 presidential election.

"Gore is playing risky pool," Kohut said.


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Zogby, Reuters.
1 posted on 09/24/2002 1:50:31 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Gore will just rust, what loser.
2 posted on 09/24/2002 1:51:45 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: Shermy
This isn't news. It's just Reuters and Zogby beating the drum. Transparent b*st*rds.
3 posted on 09/24/2002 1:52:06 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Shermy
Zogby.... what a maroon =)
4 posted on 09/24/2002 1:52:08 PM PDT by jbstrick
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To: Shermy
Gore is a fool and a disgrace.
5 posted on 09/24/2002 1:52:39 PM PDT by rickmichaels
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To: Shermy
Pollster John Zogby said Gore's message was "very well timed."

That's as far as I read. John Zogby is as delusional as his brother.

6 posted on 09/24/2002 1:52:54 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Shermy
A better headline would be:"Gore Iraq Speech Could Galvanize Lunatic Fringe"
7 posted on 09/24/2002 1:53:13 PM PDT by Destructor
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To: Shermy
He recalled that opponents to the Vietnam War did not fare well with voters even though that conflict turned into a disastrous defeat for the United States.

And that was how Sen. Albert Gore, Sr. of Tennessee was defeated for re-election in 1968.

8 posted on 09/24/2002 1:53:36 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Shermy
Zogby said. "There will be an anti-war movement that grows out of this."


You and your anti-American Rat friends are counting, right, Zogby?
9 posted on 09/24/2002 1:54:05 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: Shermy
- A fierce attack on President Bush ( news - web sites)'s Iraq policy issued by former Vice President Al Gore ( news - web sites) could help galvanize U.S. opposition to a new Gulf war ( news - web sites) while serving as a launching pad for Gore's probable 2004 presidential campaign, analysts said on Tuesday.

I hardly think the monotone kid will cause that kind of excitment.

10 posted on 09/24/2002 1:54:46 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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To: Shermy
A fierce attack on President Bush ( news - web sites)'s Iraq policy issued by former Vice President Al Gore ( news - web sites) could help galvanize U.S. opposition to a new Gulf war

Galvanize or anesthetize?

11 posted on 09/24/2002 1:56:18 PM PDT by jimfree
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To: Shermy
Good to know that Aldork is going to join the long tradition of war protesters as a political strategy for the presidency. He can thank his spiritual mother:


12 posted on 09/24/2002 1:56:21 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: lady lawyer
Thing is, was the speech coherent? Seemed like a patchwork of old talking points and implication that we are insulting our allies. And the economy? The demos want to make Iraq and Bush the issue. They did, and created the media environment. thing is, they have nothing to say about it.

They gave up on the economy issue long ago, though Da$chle brought it up for about 10 minutes last week.

13 posted on 09/24/2002 1:56:33 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Hey Al...
14 posted on 09/24/2002 1:56:55 PM PDT by TheBigB
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To: Shermy
She-yut
15 posted on 09/24/2002 1:57:23 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Shermy
John/Joe... no difference to me.

I think both hate Israel.

One admits it and the other doesn't.

16 posted on 09/24/2002 1:57:57 PM PDT by johnny7
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To: w1andsodidwe
exactly right: well-timed? maybe, but certainly incoherent. I kept thinking that somebody must be screwing around with Gore's teleprompter -- randonly inserting commas and periods everywhere except where they belonged!
17 posted on 09/24/2002 1:58:05 PM PDT by alancarp
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To: anniegetyourgun

Hanoi Jane isn't aging well ...

18 posted on 09/24/2002 1:59:39 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Shermy
This is way too good to be true. Gore leads an anti-war movement that rocks an already demoralized Democratic Party. Does anybody remember 1968?

Only in my dreams are Democrats stupid enough to let this happen again.
19 posted on 09/24/2002 2:00:20 PM PDT by SBprone
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To: w1andsodidwe
I hope Gore was listening this morning when Tony Blair spent two hours deliniating why Saddam needs to go...and needs to go now.

We wouldn't be in this position now, if Gore and his friend hadn't allowed the weapons inspectors tossed out during their watch.

Thank God for the current administration and it's resolve to put a stop to Saddam's build up, while there's still time!

20 posted on 09/24/2002 2:00:57 PM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: Shermy; DaGman; drjimmy; Dave W; Gothmog; Redbob; Cicero; kim r.; Sonny M; lasereye
"Pollster John Zogby said Gore's message was "very well timed."

"Gore stepped in just as it appeared that pro-war sentiment would go virtually unchallenged in Congress and in the country," Zogby said. "There will be an anti-war movement that grows out of this."

PING to all those who say Zogby is just an un-biased polster!!

PING to all those who say his last poll was 2 YEARS ago, and who imply we don't hear anything more from Zogby than his polling results!!

PING to those who are "ON" to ZOGBY!!


21 posted on 09/24/2002 2:02:08 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Shermy; JohnHuang2; Miss Marple; PhiKapMom; Congressman Billybob; Poohbah; Howlin; Common Tator; ...
Oh, please, Mr. Gore, PLEASE don't make conduct of the war on terror an issue for the mid-term elections. PLEASE don't make that a part of the national debate prior to November 5th. PLEASE don't throw us in that briar patch...

Whoops... uh, too late now.
22 posted on 09/24/2002 2:02:22 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: Shermy
Whether Zogby's analysis is right or wrong, Gore is a scumbag. Why would we need to galvanize an anti-war movement at the very moment we are trying to deal with 9-11 and eliminate new threats to our country? If anyone with sense listens to these democrats, they realize there isn't a GD thing the democrats are proposing to do! The democrats long ago went down the road of damning the interests of this great country.
23 posted on 09/24/2002 2:02:51 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Williams
zogby is a scumbag.
24 posted on 09/24/2002 2:04:33 PM PDT by RolandBurnam
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To: Shermy
But...but...but...Zogby is the best pollster out there! He is TOTALLY non-partisan - he does not take sides!!! Anyway, that's what lots of people were saying yesterday. Zogby is a political hack that finds out on election day how much RAT fraud there is going to be and then releases final polls which include that fraud. He disgusts me! And so does his pro-terrorist brother that works directly for the RATS.
25 posted on 09/24/2002 2:04:45 PM PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: alancarp
The video clips were bad enough, but the audio by itself is just amazing.
26 posted on 09/24/2002 2:05:03 PM PDT by js1138
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To: lady lawyer
This is totally delusional and I predict a backlash against Algore and the anti-American movement. The reason I come to this conclusion is that the left has made predictions like; Afghanistan will be another Vietnam, the arab street will rise against us, and that the USA will fail if they act unilaterally, and not a single prediction has come true. Not a one. These people are not on the same planet as us. They are totally devoid of reality.
27 posted on 09/24/2002 2:05:42 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: hchutch
Good post, hutch. Gore is selfish and self-absorbed. He is selling his party down the river for the midterms just to outflank his leftist opponents for 2004....
28 posted on 09/24/2002 2:05:43 PM PDT by mwl1
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To: rightwing2
Have anything to add on behalf of your hero Gore? C'mon, hotshot. You're the big Pentagon analyst. Pile it onto Bush. We'd like to hear your opinion, since you sling it so much.
29 posted on 09/24/2002 2:05:57 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: boomop1
RIGHT! No one that takes anything algore has to say should be taken seriously.
30 posted on 09/24/2002 2:06:10 PM PDT by Warren
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To: Shermy
Pollster John Zogby said Gore's message was "very well timed

Got the statistics, John? What is the Confidence Interval?

31 posted on 09/24/2002 2:06:43 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Shermy
MEMO TO AL, REUTERS and ZOGBY:


32 posted on 09/24/2002 2:07:05 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Looking like a cross between Melanie Griffin and a Picasso


33 posted on 09/24/2002 2:08:08 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: Shermy
Just where the he11 was AlGore on Sept.11th, anyway?
34 posted on 09/24/2002 2:08:20 PM PDT by RightResponse
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To: Shermy
"Gore is trying to present himself as the only Democrat with backbone and the guts to take on the president," said Tom DeLuca, a political scientist with Fordham University in New York."

This is what I mean. Do we have a real country here with flesh and blood people who lost their lives on 9-11, or is this just a game-playing field for cynical opportunists to position themselves?? Earth to America: It is DISHONORABLE to position yourself against your own country's national interests in a time of war. Betting on a military defeat to boost your electoral chances is the act of a coward and traitor.

35 posted on 09/24/2002 2:09:03 PM PDT by Williams
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To: RolandBurnam
I can't believe it, but I had actually forgotten how much I really can't stand that man. He is so condecending, with that little chuckle he has before he answers a question. Also, he must have gotten some of that spray on hair, because his bald spot was nowhere in sight!
36 posted on 09/24/2002 2:09:21 PM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: Shermy
Zogby ===>

'Nuff said.

37 posted on 09/24/2002 2:10:14 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Shermy; Torie
Pollster John Zogby said Gore's message was "very well timed."
From Article

This is bumped for anyone left on here that still thinks John Zogby is non-partisan. His polls are tilted to show the RATs doing better than they are.

Not to mention in 2000 he tilted his polls in Florida knowing all about the planned fraud IMO! I will keep saying that Zogby is a partisan RAT and his polls reflect a bent until everyone last person on here gets it.

38 posted on 09/24/2002 2:11:04 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Shermy
I can just hear 100's of local and statewide debates where the candidates are asked their position on Mr. Gore's tirades. Just another Albatross tied around DemocRAT necks.
39 posted on 09/24/2002 2:11:06 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Shermy
Fifth column bump.
40 posted on 09/24/2002 2:14:01 PM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: Shermy
A little note to the Zogby supporters here on FR.......are you finally seeing an agenda here?
41 posted on 09/24/2002 2:14:54 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Mike Darancette
"I can just hear 100's of local and statewide debates where the candidates are asked their position on Mr. Gore's tirades."

The toughest one would be explaining how the speech was coherent, in whatever view. Was he saying Yes? No? Later? Picky on his foe's father?

42 posted on 09/24/2002 2:14:59 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Zogby, Reuters.

Excellent analysis. What else is there to say about this story? Maybe that Algore will say, in a year or two, that he supported the downfall of Saddam all along. He is a sad, sad man.

The only other point I would make is based on a call to Rush Limbaugh's show today. What if this does start increased debate about Iraq? What does that do? It takes the Democrats' domestic issues off of the "kitchen table" for the election - even more than they are now. And the Dems can't win on Iraq, especially not before November. The only way they get any political advantage out of it is if the war turned out to be a Vietnam-like quagmire (like Afghanistan was </ sarcasm>) and that can't happen until the war actually starts.

So this either takes the Dems away from their game plan, or this speech gets forgotten about. We win either way.

The caller I think was saying this was Gore's way of neutralizing potential presidential contenders. Let them fight over who can be more anti-war. Again, we win.

43 posted on 09/24/2002 2:15:18 PM PDT by michaelt
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To: Williams
Betting on a military defeat to boost your electoral chances is the act of a coward and traitor.

Precisely, now Al and Tipper will be sitting at home cheering for every American body bag. These opportunistic lowlifes are beneath contempt.

44 posted on 09/24/2002 2:15:36 PM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Shermy
"Gore Iraq Speech Could Galvanize Anti-War Forces - Zogby"

If only! Here's hopin'.
I think it grand to see all the freaks out in their glorious splendor... so that we can vote the bastards out of office with a clean conscience, wherever their infestations happen to be... and at the same build our lists of collaborators and profiles, so we know who to round up, when the islamics start their "civil" war here...

they want a civil war... in america. this is what reparations is about.

I would say that the "soft on terror" democrats, are really getting behind the radical islamics... as they wouldn't want to offend their culturally diverse cadre of anti american terroristas, like la raza, al queda, earth liberation, the greens, hezbollah, islamic jihad, the plo, black september, the chicoms, and such...

MOST terrorist sympathizers and members who vote, vote democrat, and are likely registered under multiple names and ssn's so they can vote their enablers in the democratic party, back into office over and over again... illegally. Nothing new here folks ... move along.
45 posted on 09/24/2002 2:18:04 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Shermy
It worked for Herr Schoeder so the RATS will give it try here. What they seem to forget is those pictures of people jumping out of buildings on fire, they we not Germans they were Americans !
46 posted on 09/24/2002 2:19:20 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: hchutch
Rush really took after Gore big time today! He said the WH was doing the right thing by ignoring Gore and letting the rest take after him!

47 posted on 09/24/2002 2:23:50 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: KC_Conspirator
I agree. And the dems were calling our role in Trashcanistan a "quagmire."
48 posted on 09/24/2002 2:24:47 PM PDT by BulletBrasDotNet
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To: Shermy
"If the Iraq war does go sour, Gore will become the 'I told you so' guy and will look like a prophet," said American University historian Allan Lichtman.

And if Hitler would have been satisifed with the Sudentenland, "Munich" would be a diplomatic compliment, not a talisman for political and moral shame. All appeasers would be prophets . . . if appeasement worked.
49 posted on 09/24/2002 2:29:27 PM PDT by scalia_#1
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To: Shermy
Hmmmm, I wonder whether the galvanized bucket of crap is going to Declare "Anti-war" on Iraq or on US.
50 posted on 09/24/2002 2:29:51 PM PDT by Theophilus
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