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Gore Debates Blair
Opinion Journal ^ | 09/25/2002 | editorial board

Posted on 09/24/2002 9:07:35 PM PDT by Pokey78

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:04:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The erstwhile veep blames America first, while the prime minister takes a stand for freedom.

Former Vice President Al Gore assailed President Bush's handling of the war on terror on Monday, and it didn't take long for a rebuttal. It came yesterday from British Prime Minister Tony Blair, once Mr. Gore's ally as part of the center-left Third Way but these days a fast friend of Mr. Bush's Iraq campaign.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: albertgorejunior; algore; algoreisnotmyprez

1 posted on 09/24/2002 9:07:35 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; Miss Marple; terilyn; JohnHuang2; Sabertooth; MeeknMing; summer
Ping
2 posted on 09/24/2002 9:10:06 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Al Gore...son of a Russian spy...enough said.
3 posted on 09/24/2002 9:21:18 PM PDT by spyone
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Gore should debate Gore, he strongly disagrees with himself.
4 posted on 09/24/2002 10:39:33 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Pokey78

Al Gore turns out to be one of those really creepy sort of politicians, the kind that want high office so they can be somebody, as opposed to someone who has a vision or idea of what they would like to do.

We know this because while Gore pursues high office, his positions about what to do seem to vary with the wind.

How can anyone reconcile what Gore said yesterday with this, which is the same Gore, but in a different election cycle. The problem with electing a man like that to any office is that one can never be certain which Gore would show up on any given day.

For a guy who claims to have invented the Internet, Gore is surprisingly blind to the ways in which this technology changes politics. Clinton is probably the last of his species, the media-powered liar who could tell the public X today and Y tomorrow, and except for a few opposition newspaper columnists off in the corner screaming about it, never get called on it.

Gore's comments to the BBC in June of 2000 have not vanished into the ether, and no one has to run down to the library and fiddle with microfilm spools to find out what he said. Like every other fact in the Universe, Gore's previous positions are now one click away from any other fact about him.

Gore cannot play politics the way Clinton did. He cannot be "committed to the overthrow of President Saddam Hussein" in one election, and totally opposed in the next. Not if he wants to be taken seriously. If he tries, as he has done here, he will be exposed as an opportunistic liar. Since no one can tell whether he was lying then or is lying now, no one should -- or will -- trust him to hold either position. He'll say anything that he thinks will give him an advantage right now. He watched Clinton do this successfully through most of the Clinton presidency. But even for Clinton, by 1998 or so the Internet was already making an impact on Clinton's ability to tell the Big Lies.

Gore seems to have totally missed what this means. The era of the media-powered blow-dried empty suit is pretty much over in politics. People with basic principles, whether on the left or the right, are reasonably safe in this new environment, but the guy whose act was always to say 'the right thing for right now' -- figuring no one will remember what he said yesterday -- is in a world of hurt.

The technology of politics has passed Albert Gore Junior by, and he doesn't seem to have noticed. He's still out there telling us what he thinks we want to hear, but now it's too easy to see that's all he ever does. He doesn't mean anything by what he says, he's just making noises with his mouth, hoping to tap into the public passions of the moment. He stands for nothing, except wanting to be the Chief that people Hail to.

His is not a type that ever should have been elected to high office. He's a little man, with little ambitions and little thoughts, mostly about himself. Good riddance to him, and to his type.


5 posted on 09/24/2002 11:08:35 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: spyone
You are correct, Gore is the son of a Soviet Spy.
And since an apple does not fall from it's tree we have a similar Gore.

Fortunately the more Gore opens his mouth, the bigger the idiot he becomes. Perhaps Gore will now say he invented the nuclear bomb and has all the secrets, this way Iraq n
6 posted on 09/24/2002 11:10:39 PM PDT by GaryMontana
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To: D-fendr
Gore should debate Gore, he strongly disagrees with himself.

That's about the dang truth. What a loser!


7 posted on 09/24/2002 11:15:25 PM PDT by GOPyouth
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To: Pokey78
Algore identifies himself with the Blame America First crowd. Why, the Bezerkely Taliban must have been grinning from ear to ear and lustily applauding the Pencil Eraserbrain's attack on America.
8 posted on 09/24/2002 11:17:23 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: Pokey78
Go to NewsMax and read the story about how Algore placed politics about the people when he voted for the Gulf War in 1991.
9 posted on 09/24/2002 11:22:04 PM PDT by ampat
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To: Nick Danger; Angelique; tame; Alamo-Girl; backhoe; Hugh Akston; Ragtime Cowgirl; LarryLied; ...
Ker-PING! This is the stuff FR is made of. Great post, Nick. [Ping list, please see post #5 above. Gore committed political suicide at Beserkley ... seems fitting, don'tcha think?]
10 posted on 09/24/2002 11:22:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
FR "takes the initiative" in dealing with Goreism. Sometimes I think it's sad that he is a Tennesseean. But OTOH he's really a TINO.
11 posted on 09/24/2002 11:38:58 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: 185JHP
All the newcasters at FOX made jibes at Gore today and could barely supress "giggles"....fun to watch.
12 posted on 09/24/2002 11:46:17 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: Nick Danger
KUDOS! Nick, you nailed it. 30 ft., all net!
13 posted on 09/24/2002 11:55:08 PM PDT by jslade
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To: Nick Danger; RJayneJ
Excellent essay, Nick, which I am nominating for Essay of the Week!
14 posted on 09/25/2002 2:11:55 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: MHGinTN
BTTT!!!!!!
15 posted on 09/25/2002 3:07:24 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Nick Danger
Great post, but what is truly baffling to me is this:

He's still out there telling us what he thinks we want to hear

It's hard to understand why he thinks what he said yesterday is really what we want to hear. A truly dangerous combination: someone who will shift with the winds to say what he thinks we want to hear, but who at the same time has no idea what we really want to hear!

16 posted on 09/25/2002 4:12:20 AM PDT by benjaminthomas
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To: Nick Danger
Good post, and you are correct. Even yesterday, Brit Hume twice ran Gores comments now with his comments supporting Bush41 back in 1991. The only problem is that liberals will not admit this even when pushed in their faces.
17 posted on 09/25/2002 4:26:52 AM PDT by 7thson
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To: Nick Danger
Excellent summary!
18 posted on 09/25/2002 4:30:23 AM PDT by PogySailor
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To: Nick Danger
"His is not a type that ever should have been elected to high office. He's a little man, with little ambitions and little thoughts, mostly about himself. Good riddance to him, and to his type. "

Exactly why I voted for him. The harm he would have done to the democrat party in particular, and to the liberal cause in general, would have been enormous.

19 posted on 09/25/2002 5:58:44 AM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: Nick Danger; Pokey78; Snow Bunny; Alamo-Girl; onyx; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; ...
Excellent analysis/commentary on post #5 regarding the real algore!
Thanks, Nick !!



Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.
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20 posted on 09/25/2002 6:02:17 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: benjaminthomas
More puzzling is the fact that a majority of Americans support the President's policy on Iraq.

He's clearly trying to appeal to the crazies on the far left.

21 posted on 09/25/2002 6:05:46 AM PDT by Lightnin
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To: Lightnin
How exactly? By threatening to invade?
22 posted on 09/25/2002 7:06:29 AM PDT by benjaminthomas
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To: benjaminthomas
He's still out there telling us what he thinks we want to hear

And that is one spooky deal.
It's a shame that he can't see that alot of America has wised up. I shudder to imagine what it would be like if this nutcase was actually in position today to make decisions for the country. What a wishy-washy emmer-effer. He's speaking in California, of course. It might be a whole different speech if he were speaking in Oklahoma, Kansas or another state in middle America. (fat chance, huh?)
I kind of sense his speech writers are also making his political and moral decisions for him.

Oh well, I don't like algore, no matter what his positions are this week.

23 posted on 09/25/2002 7:13:52 AM PDT by scan58
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To: MHGinTN
Indeed! Thanks for the heads up!
24 posted on 09/25/2002 7:46:46 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: MHGinTN; Nick Danger
thanks for the ping - Great post Nick!
25 posted on 09/25/2002 7:53:09 AM PDT by Frapster
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To: benjaminthomas
It's hard to understand why he thinks what he said yesterday is really what we want to hear.

Well, it's what a lot of the Democratic base wants to hear. Gore could easily believe that he lost the 2000 election because he did not run far enough to the left. He lost several states by margins that were smaller than Ralph Nader's vote count.

My own sense is that he is wrong about this. I think the 2000 election was played very close to the knife's edge, right where the public breaks between left and right. Had Gore moved left, or Bush right, either of them would have lost more than he gained.

In any case, approaching the 2004 primaries, Gore will want to be farther to the left than he will be for the general election. This is another game that has been long-played in politics, but which is going to become harder as it becomes easier for ordinary voters to see how candidates change their positions over time. Those who are blatant panderers -- and Gore is certainly that -- stand to be identified as such by a much larger number of voters.

I think Democrats in general are still struggling to understand how to operate in the new media environment. They are used to having pretty much the entire news dissemination machinery in the United States pulling for them and cheering them on, even to the point of 'managing the news' on their behalf.

This piece from Reuters is a perfect example of the kind of heavily-slanted news coverage that Democrats have come to rely on. They still get it, but now it's not the only thing out there, and that changes the game in ways they don't understand yet. They cannot count on the public being fed a steady diet of pro-Democratic slant from every nook and cranny in the media. The ability of a Clinton to blatantly lie, and to have the entire media establishment go along with it 'for the cause,' is gone.

The pro-Democratic slant will still come pouring out of the usual places, but increasing numbers of Americans are getting their news elsewhere, so these ideological jihads that the press and the Democrats used to wage together are no longer so effective. I don't think Gore understands that yet. He's doing everything right to win the game as it was played in 1990. I suspect he will be quite baffled by what is about to happen to him.

26 posted on 09/25/2002 8:33:45 AM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: MHGinTN
Gore is a guy who should never have attained what he has yet has the hubris to think he deserves more.
27 posted on 09/25/2002 8:49:16 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Nick Danger
The era of the media-powered blow-dried empty suit is pretty much over in politics.

I was with ya up to that sentence. <|:)~


28 posted on 09/25/2002 9:31:37 AM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: MHGinTN; MeeknMing; D-fendr
Thank your for the pings! Opinion Journal, Nick Danger and D-fendr nailed Mr.Gore...D-fendr: "Gore should debate Gore, he strongly disagrees with himself." LOL!

I think that Gore was set up by his opponents within the Dem. Party. After Gore and Daschle - any semi-sane Democrat will sound reasonable to the American people, maybe even Edwards or Hillary, two slick far left enemies of America.

They're giving me a headache...and I really want to sock a reporter for not only covering up for Daschle's traitorous behavior in the Senate, but for giving either Gore or Daschle's comments front page legitimacy. Grrr!

29 posted on 09/25/2002 10:54:26 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Pokey78
Worth repeating....
GORE: Saddam Must Go
Source: BBC; Published: June 28, 2000; Author: Jeff Phillips
”US Vice-President Al Gore has told Iraqi opposition politicians that the United States remains committed to the overthrow of President Saddam Hussein.

Meeting a delegation from the Iraqi National Congress (INC), he also reiterated the administration's view that the Iraqi leader should be tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity………………………..”.

“……….”There can be no peace for the Middle East so long as Saddam is in a position to brutalise his people and threaten his neighbours”AL GORE….


30 posted on 09/25/2002 11:23:21 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: MHGinTN
Thanks for the heads-up MHG. Outstanding post Nick.

The technology of politics has passed Albert Gore Junior by, and he doesn't seem to have noticed. He's still out there telling us what he thinks we want to hear, but now it's too easy to see that's all he ever does. He doesn't mean anything by what he says, he's just making noises with his mouth, hoping to tap into the public passions of the moment. He stands for nothing, except wanting to be the Chief that people Hail to.

His is not a type that ever should have been elected to high office. He's a little man, with little ambitions and little thoughts, mostly about himself. Good riddance to him, and to his type.

KABOOM! Someone should send this to Rush or Sean.

31 posted on 09/25/2002 12:31:10 PM PDT by William Wallace
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To: Miss Marple
Thanks for the nomination! };^D)
32 posted on 09/25/2002 2:22:46 PM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: MHGinTN; Nick Danger
This is the stuff FR is made of. Great post, Nick,

Again, MHG, Right On!

33 posted on 09/25/2002 5:44:03 PM PDT by tame
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To: MeeknMing
Contrary to Mr. Gore's claim that the Bush Administration has no plans for a post-Saddam Iraq, Condoleezza Rice has committed the U.S. to bringing political pluralism there. And contrary to his complaints about unilateral action, the U.S. is working with the United Nations to prove its relevance. Mr. Gore of course acknowledges that Saddam is dangerous, but says now is not the time to deal with him.

If Gore was President, he wouldn't have dealt with Saddam, and never would, plain and simple as that.

34 posted on 09/25/2002 8:27:31 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Nick Danger
Two puzzlements strike me about Gore: (1) his apparent belief that he has integrity, despite the things you and others point out, and (2) his apparent belief that integrity is a meaningful concept to the bums, deviates, moochers, and spongers the Evil Party coddle for votes.
35 posted on 09/25/2002 9:37:58 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: Pokey78
"In the immediate aftermath of September 11th," Mr. Gore said, "we had an enormous reservoir of good will and sympathy and shared resolve all over the world. That has been squandered in a year's time and replaced with great anxiety all around the world, not primarily about what the terrorist networks are going to do, but about what we're going to do."

This statement is just outrageous, and very much like the one he made about Bush 'squandering" the good economy in just a short time. Gore seems to forget that he was one of the ones screaming the loudest during the campaign when Bush said the economy was tanking!!!!!! But Clinton/Gore were still in charge then weren't they?

Anyone who voted for this arrogant unAmerican fool should be even more ashamed of themselves after this speech.

36 posted on 09/25/2002 9:47:10 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Victoria Delsoul
I know, he would do like clintoon. Talk about it a little until folks forget then not
talk about it.

You know, I saw someone on FOX yesterday trying to spin gores anti-Iraq war
talk. They're still bringing up "algore got 500,000 more votes than Bush".....

37 posted on 09/26/2002 2:08:43 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: Nick Danger
The technology of politics has passed Albert Gore Junior by, and he doesn't seem to have noticed. He's still out there telling us what he thinks we want to hear, but now it's too easy to see that's all he ever does.

This is a really good point you make. I think it speaks to how Gore (and Daschle and others) are now getting caught in their lies - It is just too darn easy to catch them with the technology that is out there for recall of past statements.

The liberal media used to be the only ones that could pull this stuff up easily. Now we have the tremendous resources (that Owl wishes he never invented) catching these fakes.

BTW, there is a poll on Gore that needs to be FReep.

Did Gore act properly in criticizing Bush's policy on Iraq?
-Yes. It was proper. It needed to be said. Gore had the courage to say it. 74%
- No. It was not proper. Gore put his political ambitions ahead of the country. 26%

Poll Link Here

38 posted on 09/26/2002 6:05:02 AM PDT by BJungNan
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