Posted on 09/25/2002 11:22:22 AM PDT by Edward Watson
Which has nothing to do with the WOD or it's legal justifications....
Which has nothing to do with the WOD...
No matter how often you attempt to repeat this disengenuous mantra, it certainly has everything to do with the WOD.
Edward's apparently cavalier lack of concern as to whether his children would become addicted to drugs seems to indicate a laisezz-faire attitude toward discipline. Children require firmer guidance than that if they are to develop responsible behavior. While no-one can predict with certainty how Edward's children would turn out, the odds increase significantly that lacking such discipline, they'd become a detrimental influence towards other children with the use of "recreational" drugs.
With such obviously dangerous substances if misused or abused, it is best that government regulate and/or ban their distribution to protect our children from such negligent parents and their offspring.
Quite incorrect, as below:
Edward's apparently cavalier lack of concern as to whether his children would become addicted to drugs seems to indicate a laisezz-faire attitude toward discipline.
A completely unwarranted assumption on your part, I fear. Nowhere in his posts has he indicated this. You specifically stated "I guess you must be too young to be concerned for your children".
Children require firmer guidance than that if they are to develop responsible behavior.
I don't see anyone here disputing that.
While no-one can predict with certainty how Edward's children would turn out, the odds increase significantly that lacking such discipline, they'd become a detrimental influence towards other children with the use of "recreational" drugs.
Without any other information, no one can predict the same about your children, regardless of the legal status of certain chemical substances.
With such obviously dangerous substances if misused or abused, it is best that government regulate and/or ban their distribution to protect our children from such negligent parents and their offspring.
This is illogical and doesn't square with current facts: the WOD is being waged at unprecedented levels, and yet his children, your children or anyone else's can still get them more easily than ever before. They are not being protected. This should be obvious on the face of it.
I propose this: If you think another person has harmed you by doing drugs, take them to court and do your best to prove before an impartial jury that the person harmed you.
If my assumption in the first paragraph was wrong, the individual that wants themselves to be harmed by another person, group of persons or government will disagree with the second paragraph.
Nonsense, our borders are as porous as ever to illegal trafficking.
And although busts of various magnitude are occasionaly reported in the media, we have yet to uncover the mega-scandal involving political corruption. With an illicit trade of such magnitude, it would be naive to assume that at least some high ranking politicians and bureacrats aren't involved. What is needed is a full scale crackdown and enforcement of current law to identify, capture and purge these leeches from our system of government and place them behind bars.
Absolutely, IMO the only responsible position. The only drugs I could justify requiring prescriptions for are antibiotics, and that's because misuse of them breeds resistant germs (ie, they can be a real public health issue)
But then they usually say 'TAX DRUGS!'. Hypocrisy.
Not me. I think the gov't should be forbidden, preferably by Constitutional amendment, from taxing any drugs, as punishment for having lied about them.
The status quo is simply the best balance we can have..
If you're FDR and afraid to fire federal employees. Never forget, that was the real reason for the mj tax act - the stuff about jazz musicians and white women was just to make it palatable to the D*ms.
Nonsense, our borders are as porous as ever to illegal trafficking.
Oh, please. Funding for the DEA and other enforcement agencies is at an all-time high. Commercials are being aired nationwide by the Bozos working for the Drug Czar. It's all there in the published gov't numbers, and impossible to deny, unless you want to utterly disregard the truth from the same misguided idiots (the Feds) who are promulgating it.
And although busts of various magnitude are occasionaly reported in the media, we have yet to uncover the mega-scandal involving political corruption.
The name Mena ring any bells? How about Iran/Contra? How about the innumerable police department scandals from LA (Rampart) to New Orleans to Miami? You need to get out more.
With an illicit trade of such magnitude, it would be naive to assume that at least some high ranking politicians and bureacrats aren't involved. What is needed is a full scale crackdown and enforcement of current law to identify, capture and purge these leeches from our system of government and place them behind bars.
Same old tired rhetoric: just bump it up a notch! That'll finally win the war!
No, it is impossible to eradicate the substances from the face of the earth.
The WOD will go on indefinitely.
But that's OK, crank it up a notch.
Makes more sense to make access more difficult than to let that poison circulate in our society legally.
The plight of the offenders who are caught doesn't bother me the least.
They know the substances are illegal and freely choose to break the law anyway.
You make very disengenous claims about "personal responsiblity".
It's time for the druggie scofflaws to own up to THEIR personal responsibility and suffer the harsh consequences of their actions.
Hopefully not. I hate to see human stupidity and misery promoted with no terminal date.
But that's OK, crank it up a notch.
I believe it was Einstein who state that the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results. They keep notching it up, and failing to ever greater degrees.
Makes more sense to make access more difficult than to let that poison circulate in our society legally.
The WOD has not accomplished this, as is clear by all objective evidence, so you are openly promoting already proven failure.
The plight of the offenders who are caught doesn't bother me the least.
Yes, one gets that impression, among others.
They know the substances are illegal and freely choose to break the law anyway. You make very disengenous claims about "personal responsiblity". It's time for the druggie scofflaws to own up to THEIR personal responsibility and suffer the harsh consequences of their actions.
It is patently clear that you do not understand the concept of personal responsibility. If one consumes a substance, and yet causes no damage to a second party, either material or emotional, but still is arrested and must do time, his personal responsibility has just been assumed by the State. The current system, which you support, is completely at odds with your stated goals. That, if anything, is indicative of exactly who is being disengenous.
With drugs??? No.
The pushers are fully aware of the misery they inflict on people.
It's best to go after them BEFORE they inflict any more damage.
It's called PREVENTION. (Do you understand the meaning of the word?)
It makes much more sense than trying to collect AFTER the damage is already done.
The pushers and dealers are fully aware of the illegality of their actions and the misery it inflicts on others. You're convoluted arguement that illicit drug usage doesn't harm anybody is totally ludicrous.
Zon: If a person thinks they've been harmed, take the supposed criminal to court and do their best to prove to an impartial jury that they've been harmed and to what extent.68
With drugs??? No.
The pushers are fully aware of the misery they inflict on people.
It's best to go after them BEFORE they inflict any more damage.
It's called PREVENTION. (Do you understand the meaning of the word?)
It makes much more sense than trying to collect AFTER the damage is already done.
So you'd want to ban guns too in hopes of preventing crime. Prevention has failed worse with drugs than guns. Inanimate objects don't cause harm -- people cause harm.
If you think a drug dealer has harmed you take them to court and try to prove to an impartial jury that you've been harmed. Any person can do the same if they think they've been harmed by a drug dealer.
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In each person's life their own authority takes precedence over any bogus "higher authority". That most people choose to sacrifice part of their own authority to bogus higher authority is always a net negative/loss to themselves and society.
Every person had the bogus higher authority hoax foisted on them. The individual is the highest authority. Not government, not peers, not parents, not the media, not academics, not religion. Real power and real authority that increases well being, happiness and prosperity is owned by creative businesspersons and the productive working class from scientists to laborers.
This forum is used by some people that want the power to initiate force, fraud and coercion against people (be the "higher authority") or seek to enlist government agents (" higher authority") to initiate force, fraud and threat of force against people on their behalf.
Thankfully the ever present and powerful Imperial Federal Government has made drugs illegal and prevented people from becoming drug addicts.
And I was being sarcastic. Regardless of the legality of narcotics we are going to have addicts. And regardless of the legality of narcotics the numbers will be about the same.
"With such obviously dangerous substances if misused or abused, it is best that government regulate and/or ban their distribution to protect our children from such negligent parents and their offspring."
--Willie Rodham Green from his book, It Takes A Village
I suspect you are a fan of Maxine Waters and her "CIA invented crack to hook black kids in LA".
But in fairness to Willie, beer is indeed food. But it is also a drug.
Robberies, burglaries and murders are committed every day in astonishing numbers, against innocent people who have nothing to do with drugs.
You will notice that NONE of the drug warriors, on FR or anywhere else, will even dare to confront the fact that they are quite willing to have innocent people suffer simply in order to prevent other people from getting high.
I have often wondered how a drug warrior would feel if his parents were tortured to death by some drug monster looking for their social security money, all because the monster has to pay $100 for an illegal substance which would not be worth a dollar if it were legal.
Willie, I fully support the legalization of drugs, most notably MJ, I would also fully support a real education campaign in conjunction with a Nancy Reagan style "Just Say No" campaign to teach children the evils of drugs in an effort to stop them from every using them. And DARE, which is the current education method is an abject failure.
Children should be prevented from accessing drugs, including the drugs of alcohol and nicotine. As they should be prohibitied from purchasing and possesing narcotics if legalized. But adults should be allowed to ingest a narcotic of their own free will if they so choose.
As far as our colander of a border goes, the importation of MJ would cease almost instantly upon MJ becoming legal. Most users would grow their own, or get it from a family member or friend who grows their own. The blackmarket would dry up over night.
The founding fathers of this country didnt want these substances to be illegal and many of them partook in the growing of and use of these substances.
IF I come home from work on Friday night, crack open a beer and take a few bong hits who have I hurt?
Jim Beam, Coors, Gallo, Budweiser, etc....
You're convoluted arguement that illicit drug usage doesn't harm anybody is totally ludicrous.
It is clear that you understand neither 'convoluted', 'argument' nor 'ludicrous', lest you wouldn't use them in the manner you have.
Not at all.
It's a totally rediculous analogy.
Guns don't kill people.
People kill people.
Just like drug dealers and pushers inflict harm on their addicted customers.
Legitimate drugs can be obtained through legitimate pharmacists by prescription.
Same as legitimate firearms may be procured from legitimate dealers.
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