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philosofy123

Posted on 09/26/2002 11:41:48 AM PDT by philosofy123

Out of the 19 Islamic terrorists that attacked America in 9/11, how many Iraqis?

Hint-----ZERO

Out of the thousands of Islamic militants arrested in the US and Europe, how many Iraqis?

Hint----ZERO

Where did the US discover there is a new El Quaida terrorist camp? Hint----Iran, not Iraq

Well, I am not the smartest man in the world, but the above facts should give me a hint on who should be my greatest enemy?


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These couple of questions were never asked by any of the thousands of journalists? Do you think the Administration knows something that we mortals don't know? Everytime there is breifing of the leaders of Congress, they come out and say, the Administration did not tell them anyting new?

I think the administration should tell the Congressional leaders about their reason for considering Iraq more dangerous than Iran, or Suadi Arabia, and then these leaders should tell us that they are happy with that choice! This way, the protest from the right, and the logical opinions would subside.

1 posted on 09/26/2002 11:41:48 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Who pays Pali families of suicide bombers 1000's of dollars if their relatives blow themselves up?

Hint - IRAQ

Who did timothy McVeigh meet with prior to The OKC bombing?

Hint - Iraqi's

Who has broken every UN resolution since the gulf war?

Hint - Iraq

Who tried to have Bush 41 assasinated?

Hint - Iraq

3 posted on 09/26/2002 11:45:36 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: philosofy123
Do you think the Administration knows something that we mortals don't know?

Bush did a pretty good job laying out the reasons to move against Saddam at the UN a couple of weeks ago. Were you not listening? As far as we know, neither Iran nor Saudi Arabia are working on nukes. That's reason enough to snuff-out Saddam first. It's also highly possible that a change in regime in Iraq will change the whole political chemistry of the Arab world...perhaps.

4 posted on 09/26/2002 11:45:51 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: philosofy123
Iran's government will most likely fall without a war launched by the USA. Iraq's will not. Additionally, when we are able to use Iraq as a staging ground, it will be easy to box Iran in.
5 posted on 09/26/2002 11:45:58 AM PDT by SunStar
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To: philosofy123
Well, I am not the smartest man in the world, but the above facts should give me a hint on who should be my greatest enemy?

I guess that WMD's don't concern you?

6 posted on 09/26/2002 11:46:56 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe
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To: philosofy123
It's very simple, Saddam will kill you when he has the capability, what don't you understand about that. Should we wait until you are dead before we take action?
7 posted on 09/26/2002 11:48:01 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunStar
The war on terrorism will never succeed until the sponsors of terror are eliminated. Iran and Saudi Arabia and Syria are need targeted. One at a time.
8 posted on 09/26/2002 11:48:28 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: philosofy123
Ah, you're logical, rational, and specific.

You'll get flamed, but that validates the three adjectives I used.

m

9 posted on 09/26/2002 11:49:41 AM PDT by AzJP
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To: philosofy123
Do you think it was coincidence that none of Saddam's subjects were on the planes? Do you really think that if Saddam were behind this, he would put Iraqis on those planes? To me, the absence of Iraqis just proves his involvement. He made sure that no Iraqis would be on the planes. As for Iran, yes we may eventually need to deal with them, but let's take them one at a time. The Iranian government may yet collapse by itself.
10 posted on 09/26/2002 11:49:54 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: philosofy123
Wow! What an insightful, deep, probing analysis. You sure covered it all. I'm convinced! </sarcasm>
11 posted on 09/26/2002 11:49:57 AM PDT by LiberationIT
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To: philosofy123
"Well, I am not the smartest man in the world...

The one part of your post I can agree with....

12 posted on 09/26/2002 11:49:58 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: philosofy123
Who invaded a neighboring country? Who gassed his own countrymen? Who has violated all 16 UN resolutions? Who has harbored terrorists? Who has stated a desire to obtain the weapons necessary to wipe us out? The answer to all these questions is Iraq. But you knew that already.
13 posted on 09/26/2002 11:50:08 AM PDT by Peach
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To: philosofy123
If I sought to control Persia, if not govern it, but to control it, I might seek a situation whereby I could close in from both sides.
Historically, you would either come through the Afghan mountains or up from the Middle East, via Iraq.
If we take Iraq (okay, when we take Iraq) where does that leave Iran?
U.S. controls the East. U.S. Controls the West.
That would then be two of the three members of the Axis of Evil.
Or can't you think that far ahead? Why would you take on Iran when you already have Iraq by the short, curly ones?
14 posted on 09/26/2002 11:50:08 AM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: Soliton
The war on terrorism will never succeed until the sponsors of terror are eliminated. Iran and Saudi Arabia and Syria are need targeted. One at a time.

Yes, and what better staging ground is there than Iraq?

15 posted on 09/26/2002 11:50:40 AM PDT by SunStar
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To: philosofy123
How do you think an Iraqi citizen gets into the U.S.? Red flashing lights? They could not take that chance especially when they got all the Saudi's waiting, foaming at the mouth. Sorry.
16 posted on 09/26/2002 11:52:09 AM PDT by encm(ss)
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To: My2Cents
Correction, my friend,---Iran has a much more advanced nuclear program than Iraq, and is working closer with the terrorists. They did not have inspectors in their country for twenty years? God knowes how much biological and chemical weapons they made through the unemployed Russians?
17 posted on 09/26/2002 11:52:43 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Would almost make sense, if there was only 19 terrorists out there,missed it by that much.
18 posted on 09/26/2002 11:53:56 AM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Peach
Two neighboring countries.
19 posted on 09/26/2002 11:54:46 AM PDT by js1138
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To: philosofy123
Your answer lies in the words of the President, when he said that if he had known anything about the 9-11 attacks ahead of time, he would have done everything in his power to stop them.

I believe him.

And I see him doing everything in his power, right now...to stop a nuclear attack against the United States.


20 posted on 09/26/2002 11:55:00 AM PDT by tuckrdout
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To: SunStar
I hope you are correct! Please tell me I told you so, when this happens. In the mean time, I am not going to hold my breath. The Iranian oppression will live on like the rest of the Oppression throughout the Islamic world.
21 posted on 09/26/2002 11:55:36 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
I would have hoped that our government would have been more specific in naming their enemies. The general "terrorists" could cover many different types which may not have any connection to 911. I believe the US should specifically target Islamists, that is people using the Islamic religion not as a personal religion but as a political idealogy in an effort to do away with the West.
That being said, it is also a fact that Saddam is a very dangerous man with WMD. clearly he has shown his aggressiveness and his ability to use these weapons even on his own people. I believe taking out a man like Saddam would make the world safer in the short term, but I'm not so sure it doesn't strengthen the Islamists regionally, such as those in surrounding countries like Iran.
22 posted on 09/26/2002 11:56:37 AM PDT by patriot5186
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To: My2Cents
If they told us that he has THE bomb and they know for a fact he plans to use it on the U.S., this country would go mad.

With the money at his disposal, if he wants THE bomb,and I'm sure he does, someone would sell him one.
23 posted on 09/26/2002 11:57:50 AM PDT by philetus
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To: blam
Correction, when we started our war in 1991, there was a concern that he was going to keep all the westerners hostage. He did not, he let them all go home free. On the other hand, your beloved Iran, without us bombing them they invaded our embassy, and kept our people hostige for more than a year?
24 posted on 09/26/2002 11:59:29 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Soliton
Right on, I would add, Egypt, Pakistan, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, and even Indonesia
25 posted on 09/26/2002 12:00:43 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
One of the regular guests on the nightly "talking head" programs (can't remember his name) often says that Iran is the home of modern terrorism - and I agree based on the reading I've done. The difference between the clear and present danger between Iran and Iraq seems to be more a case of which government will most likely self-destruct over the near term. In this case, Iran's islamic government seems to be ripe for hopefully a bloodless revolution with the result a more democrat form of regime (based on Arab standards).

Iraq on the other hand is different. Saddam has control of his government with little prospects for internal regime change. Also, the broken UN violations, the invasion of Kuwait, and his use of WMD's put Saddam in a special light internationally. Iran, Korea, Syria and other terror sponsors don't have the same "evil" recent past.

Ultimately, I believe the aim of US policy is to start with Afghanistan (direct 9/11 response) and follow it up with regime change in Iraq - all designed to show other world dictators that we say what we mean, and mean what we say ... you are either with us, or with the terrorists ... and we will respond to terrorists and the nations that harbor them.

This policy will be clear to radical Arab nations in the coming months, and clear to democrats in America sometime in 2015.
26 posted on 09/26/2002 12:01:05 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: philosofy123
"Well, I am not the smartest man in the world". And that's why Algore invented Spellcheck. I hope one comes with your next computer.
27 posted on 09/26/2002 12:01:21 PM PDT by shortstop
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To: Cyber Liberty
You must one of the croud that waits for TV to tell them what to think!
28 posted on 09/26/2002 12:01:44 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: AzJP
Ah, you're logical, rational, and specific. You'll get flamed, but that validates the three adjectives I used

Why do you think people are not asking these kinds of questions? Where are these septuagenarians of 60 minutes?

29 posted on 09/26/2002 12:04:19 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philetus
If Saddam has the bomb, and he may, if Bush were to divulge that information to the world, imagine the cry in Congress by the cowards who would say that we simply CANNOT go up against Iraq because of the fear the Saddam would use it. This type of intelligence would solidify the appeasers in the US media and in Congress.
30 posted on 09/26/2002 12:05:45 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: Brilliant
You make a lot ofd sense!
31 posted on 09/26/2002 12:05:49 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Did you hear anything Colin Powell just said re Iraq - on tv live now. Listen - you might understand.
32 posted on 09/26/2002 12:08:51 PM PDT by Peach
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
I think Iran is more trouble to the US and the world. Hence, I would use our resources to neutralize these fanatics. Our enemies are fanatic Moslems not followers of a dictator!
33 posted on 09/26/2002 12:09:48 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
1. They are asking, but they're accused of pacifism, isolationism, pro-terrorism, etc etc etc not to mention other name-calling here. They get shouted down.

2. Don't know, don't care.

34 posted on 09/26/2002 12:10:43 PM PDT by AzJP
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To: philosofy123
The question of who to attack now is a strategic one, not primarily a moral one. Certainly Syria and Iran are equally evil, and "regime change" -- or at least a tempering of terror and fundamentalism-funding -- would also be good in Saudi Arabia. But we're not going to attack all these countries, certainly not all at once.

(The fact that Syria's ruler is new, and can't really be blamed for the sins of his father, and that Iran may fall internally, and that we still have an important airbase and oil supply needs from Saudi also argue against starting with any of those countries.)

Further, given that we're already at war with Iraq, it's an obvious first choice. Once that's done, we're on the border of the other 3 countries, and will no longer be so dependent on Saudi bases or oil. And if Iraq goes well, the rest of the scumbag dictators in the region will lie low, and we may not need to overthrow any other thugocracies.

35 posted on 09/26/2002 12:12:12 PM PDT by DWPittelli
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To: tuckrdout
My gut feeling, you are correct. I would like to believe our President too. However, every time they breif Congress, the leaders come out and say, they did not learn anything new? Iran has not had a weapon inspector for more than twenty years? They even started a terror camp for El Quaeida, What gives?
36 posted on 09/26/2002 12:14:36 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
...croud...

I appreciate your making my point for me. Very efficient and labor-saving.

37 posted on 09/26/2002 12:15:56 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: philosofy123
To answer your question directly, I will as strongly and clearly as I am able, say the following!

1. The Iraqi people have never, ever been declared the enemy!

2. The enemy is the government of Saddam H.!

3. I would therefore state that the logical conclusion would be that it would be unlikely that Iraqi's would be found participating in terror!

Having said this I now pose a question to you.

What would be the logical result, based on prior actions by Saddam, (which I need not go into now), if he were to aquire even one single nuclear device? How would he use it? What would he do with this power?

I'll tell you.....................He would put it in one of his 80 or so medium range missles and aim it at Israel. He would them tell the world that if anyone screws with him anymore he will launch it!

This would be worse than anything the writers of the James Bond movies could think of. There would be little we could do to prevent the launch, or render the bomb safe. It would travel over the tops of our allies heads in the region on it's way to Israel!

Now, what do you think we should do about it?

38 posted on 09/26/2002 12:17:41 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: philosofy123
Well, I am not the smartest man in the world

No argument here

39 posted on 09/26/2002 12:18:08 PM PDT by paul51
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To: channelcat
Great questions. You keep asking them. Iraq is a scapegoat for the lynch mob.

You're absolutely right! Nothing I've heard said in justification of this war wouldn't apply to Cuba or North Korea a hundred times over. The American people are being suckered in big time! (I never thought I'd find myself nodding in agreement with Al Gore, but I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day.)

I really expected more from Rumsfield - I guess they're allow just lousy politicians, though. :(

40 posted on 09/26/2002 12:25:42 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: DWPittelli
You make sense. But, I still go after Saudi Arabia first. They financed the El Quaeida operation, which cost our economy about one trillion dollars. I would take over their oil fields to pump out oil for free, until the trillion dollars are paid!
41 posted on 09/26/2002 12:32:08 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: unix
Who invaded his neighbors, twice?

Hint - Iraq.

Who used WMD against his neighbors and own populace?

Hint - Iraq.

Who fires almost daily on American pilots enforcing U.N. Resolutions? (An act of War, last I checked)

Hint - Iraq.

Who starves his people while building grand palaces to himself?

Trick Question! Both North Korea and Iraq.

Who harbored Abu Nidal, terrorist killer of Americans?

Hint - Iraq.

Whose downfall will cause their neighboring islamo-fascist-dicatatorships to fall like a dominoes?

Hint - Iraq.

Who will use nukes against you, given an opportunity?

Hint - Iraq. BTW - In the case of philosofy123, that might help clean up the gene pool.

42 posted on 09/26/2002 12:35:48 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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To: philosofy123
Drudge posted this letter from Barbra Streisand to Dick Gephardt:

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU SEPT 26, 2002 14:09:27 ET XXXXX

STREISAND MEMO TO GEPHARDT: 'TAKE THE OFFENSE!'

Barbra Streisand has reminded Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt in a blistering memo: "Sadam (Saddam) Hussein did not bomb the World Trade Center."

The Streisand memo, released by adviser Margery Tabankin, warns Democrats to "get off the defensive and go on the offensive."

The singeractressdirectorproducer took time out from rehearsals for a performance she's giving on Sunday for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee to remind Gephardt [spelled "Gebhardt" in a faxed memo obtained by DRUDGE] not to "ignore the obvious influence on the Bush Administration of such special interests as the oil industry, the chemical companies, the logging industry... just to name a few."

Streisand notes: "Many of these industries, run by big Republican donors and insiders, clearly have much to gain if we go to war against Iraq."

Streisand urges the Democrats to "publicly convey this message to the American people."

While there are serious problems with Iraq, Barbra feels that we can't let this issue become a distraction from the country's domestic problems and the President's inability to fully dismantle the al Qaeda [spelled "Al Queda" in the fax] network.

"Afterall, Saddam [spelled Sadam in the fax] Hussein did not bomb the World Trade Center."

Feel free to call Barbra or me at 310-395-3599 if you would like to discuss this further, Tabankin offers to Gephardt.

Capitol Hill's top reporter, Ed Henry at ROLL CALL, later confirmed Streisand penned the "confidential memo" urging Gephardt to take the offense against Bush.

Tabankin tells Henry she sent the memo after she had a phone conversation with Streisand. "We had just watched Tom Daschle's speech," said Tabankin. "We were both very emotional."

Developing...

Interesting.... You can't spell either, hmmmm.....

43 posted on 09/26/2002 12:47:34 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: philosofy123
Well, I am not the smartest man in the world, but the above facts should give me a hint on who should be my greatest enemy?

DEMOCRATS?

44 posted on 09/26/2002 12:48:44 PM PDT by varon
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To: philosofy123
One's greatest enemy is not defined by one's actions (i.e. numbers rounded up, where they came from, etc.) Rather, one's greatest enemy is the group that can do the most damage to you.

Sun Tzu states:

Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted. Therefore the clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him.

Your enemy is therefor defined by those that would impose their will upon you AND has the means of doing so.

Do not worry about the dead or those already captured. They can do you no more harm and are therefore NOT your enemy. Rather, worry about those that can inflict harm and prevent them from doing so by carrying the war to their door.

These is VERY basic military 'philosofy' - something your handle would indicate that you have studied but your discourse would indicate not.
45 posted on 09/26/2002 1:04:30 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: philosofy123
The fact that there were no Iraqis involved in any of the attacks should be a red flag!
46 posted on 09/26/2002 1:08:02 PM PDT by Destructor
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To: philosofy123
Well, I am not the smartest man in the world, not paying very good attention either. There is a well documented training camp ~85 miles southeast of Baghdad where Al Qaeda people are/were trained in techniques for taking over a commercial airline. Saddam flew in a commercial airline and set it up for training. Echos of 'let's roll' shoot through my mind everytime I have to point this out to one of you idiots.
47 posted on 09/26/2002 1:18:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Destructor
"who should be my greatest enemy?"

Your greatest enemy? Why that would be you of course!

Look.... 3000 + souls have died. Our response needs to be a little irrational. We really do need to kill someone and do something dramatic.

We should act alone so everybody will know that we will. It proves we still have resolve, we are an independent nation and will do the same in the future.

We should overthrow Saddam because we can. He is not a very nice man and... an example is an example after all. It is better to kill one innocent madman than to kill no one at all in this case.


As for Iran, it will free itself with a little help anyway.

If China, Russia, and Germany are opposed... the cause must be just.

If Israel supports us, this is solid confirmation to act swiftly.

If France is against us, then we must be absolutely, positively right. There can be no doubt! If the whole world is afraid, why should we tremble?


If you are saying that you are in lock step with ALGORE, I suggest you change boots as soon as possible.

Bush's misfortune is that he has to wait for cooler weather
and we have such a short attention span.

Your enemy, and the rest of you "wafflers" is only yourself.

48 posted on 09/26/2002 1:49:41 PM PDT by bluecollarman
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To: Destructor
sorry,
my post was supposed to go to the philosofy123 dude.
49 posted on 09/26/2002 1:51:18 PM PDT by bluecollarman
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To: bluecollarman
Oh, okay. I was about to elaborate, but I'll skip it. I'm definately not down with Al Gore. Never have been- never will be!
50 posted on 09/26/2002 1:53:54 PM PDT by Destructor
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