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Latest nonsense from the Drug Czar
Rocky Mountain News ^ | October 2, 2002 | Mike Patty

Posted on 10/02/2002 12:03:54 PM PDT by MrLeRoy

"Our goal is not to cope with the drug problem, but to actively reduce substance abuse in our society," Walters said in an address to the National Treatment Accountability for Safer Communities conference.

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"We have a responsibility - as family members, employers, physicians, educators, religious leaders, neighbors, colleagues and friends - to reach out to help these people," Walters said. "We must find ways to lead them back to drug-free lives."

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"Our goal is [...] to actively reduce substance abuse in our society."

Where's the evidence that this goal is achievable? Alcohol consumption INCREASED during the last several years of Prohibition---and drug use trends show no correlation with Drug War efforts.

"We must find ways to lead them back to drug-free lives."

What about alcohol---which, unlike marijuana, can kill a person in a single evening of use, and is far more addictive than marijuana? Why isn't Walters seeking a war against alcohol?

1 posted on 10/02/2002 12:03:54 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: *Wod_list
Wod_list ping
2 posted on 10/02/2002 12:04:18 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
But were it not for the War on Drugs, Mr. Walters would be unemployed - and unemployable. How dare you deny him a chance to be a contributing member of society?

(Uh, heh heh, heh heh . . . heh heh, heh heh . . . I said "member.")
3 posted on 10/02/2002 12:07:08 PM PDT by Xenalyte
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4 posted on 10/02/2002 12:09:03 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: MrLeRoy
We have a responsibility - as family members, employers, physicians, educators, religious leaders, neighbors, colleagues and friends - to reach out to help these people

Throw them in prison. That ought to help. Now remember, it's for your own good.

5 posted on 10/02/2002 12:09:11 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Xenalyte
But were it not for the War on Drugs, Mr. Walters would be unemployed - and unemployable.

North Korea or Cuba may have a job for a man of his ... er, "talents."

6 posted on 10/02/2002 12:09:44 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
"We have a responsibility - as family members, employers, physicians, educators, religious leaders, neighbors, colleagues and friends - to reach out to help these people," Walters said. "We must find ways to lead them back to drug-free lives."

It takes a village, right Walters?

7 posted on 10/02/2002 12:09:59 PM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: Xenalyte
But were it not for the War on Drugs, Mr. Walters would be unemployed

That cuts both ways. Mr. Walters is employed because there is a war on drugs, and for this we can thank the ongoing support of the American people. What do you expect him to do?

8 posted on 10/02/2002 12:10:36 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Xenalyte; Wolfie; ChemicalSmile; WindMinstrel; headsonpikes; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; ...
bump to Jedigirl ping list.
she is watching.....
9 posted on 10/02/2002 12:11:50 PM PDT by vin-one
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To: Huck
No, not prison. Drug Rehab, where they can do all the drugs they want, and the staff doesn't have to cooperate in any investigation.
10 posted on 10/02/2002 12:11:53 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Xenalyte
(Uh, heh heh, heh heh . . . heh heh, heh heh . . . I said "member.")

you are a bad girl, now come over here for your punishment.(heh, heh, heh,)
11 posted on 10/02/2002 12:14:34 PM PDT by vin-one
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To: Guy Angelito
I wish it all was regulated by the FDA.

Why?

13 posted on 10/02/2002 12:17:35 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
Please God, save me from the people who want to save me from myself.
14 posted on 10/02/2002 12:18:37 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
The Three Big Lies:

"Of course I'll respect you in the morning."

"The check is in the mail."

"I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you."
15 posted on 10/02/2002 12:20:52 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
you left the big lie out,
I promise I won't ### in your (insert your own word here)
16 posted on 10/02/2002 12:22:17 PM PDT by vin-one
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To: vin-one
... won't pee in your sink?
17 posted on 10/02/2002 12:23:42 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
I think that is won't pee in your pool.....
18 posted on 10/02/2002 12:24:35 PM PDT by vin-one
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To: MrLeRoy
"We have a responsibility - as family members, employers, physicians, educators, religious leaders, neighbors, colleagues and friends - to reach out to help these people," Walters said. "We must find ways to lead them back to drug-free lives."

It's obvious why Democratic administrations would keep a national nanny like this around, but...what are the Republicans thinking?

19 posted on 10/02/2002 12:27:18 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: MrLeRoy
This guy needs another hit from his bong.


You can lead a horse to water............

Why is it governments responsibility to interfere with the lives of the drug users?

Let them continue with their self destructive behavior and the problem will go away sooner, rather than later.

The government should strive for 100% purity for all hard core drugs hitting the streets, the problem will resolve itself in short order.
20 posted on 10/02/2002 12:29:19 PM PDT by taxed2death
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To: BlazingArizona
are the Republicans thinking?

Evidently not.

21 posted on 10/02/2002 12:29:31 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
Our goal is not to cope with the drug problem, but to actively reduce substance abuse in our society.

Thus clearly showing that the assumption they are going under is that any use of a controlled substance is automatically considered 'abuse'.

Ya know, just like a glass of wine at dinner makes one a stumbling, loudmouthed juicehound.

Up is down!
Black is white!
War is peace!

22 posted on 10/02/2002 12:29:37 PM PDT by Pahuanui
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To: MrLeRoy
Why isn't Walters seeking a war against alcohol?

Because sheeple cannot be led to believe that alcohol is bad - prohibition proved to be a failure. Additionally there is no need to make it illegal. The Gubmint has already done fine taxing it and selling liquour licenses etc.

In contrast, elements in our society that do not value the principle of a person's right to do as he/she wants to his/her own body, believe that certain drugs are bad. Much more importantly, the WOD is a boon for gubmint bureaucrats that thrive on demagoguery, asset forfeiture, and the controlling of doctors- not to mention illegal wars funded by the running of illegal drugs by the CIA and other powers (Vietnam, Iran Contra etc.) If opium and cocaine were legal, how could Ollie North have made so much untraceable cash in so little time to fight the "communist threat" in Nicaragua? How could the CIA do the same to fight "terrorism" in the Middle East?

23 posted on 10/02/2002 12:33:41 PM PDT by missileboy
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To: BlazingArizona
"...but... what are the Republicans thinking?"

'I wonder when the bar opens'

'Of course, bar bills should be tax-deductible'

'My kids don't use drugs'

(slaps forehead!) Oh! You mean about the Constitution and stuff...

Who the H*ll thinks they think about that at all?!?

24 posted on 10/02/2002 12:35:29 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: MrLeRoy
"We must find ways to lead them back to drug-free lives."

Hint - you don't "lead" anyone at gunpoint.

25 posted on 10/02/2002 12:36:08 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: MrLeRoy
Here's the full article:




'Drug czar' promises no end to war
More than 40,000 in Colorado admitted to rehab programs in 2001

By Mike Patty, Rocky Mountain News
October 2, 2002

There will be no letup in the country's battle against drug abuse, "drug czar" John P. Walters said Tuesday in Denver.

"Our goal is not to cope with the drug problem, but to actively reduce substance abuse in our society," Walters said in an address to the National Treatment Accountability for Safer Communities conference. "The greatest threat is the notion that we ought to give up and simply treat those people who are addicted."

Walters, director of the office of National Drug Control Policy, said President Bush's administration has set a goal of reducing drug use among Americans by 25 percent in the next five years. Drug treatment funding will expand by $1.6 billion during that time. "That is an ambitious goal, but it is doable," Walters said.

Last year, more than 40,000 people in Colorado were admitted into drug treatment programs.

An estimated 8.7 percent of Colorado residents age 12 and older use illegal drugs, compared with 6.4 percent nationally.

Most Coloradans in treatment used marijuana, almost twice the number of people receiving treatment for methamphetamine.

A profile of drug use in Denver, issued by the office of National Drug Control Policy, indicated heroin is widely available in the city, with the majority of sales taking place in the lower downtown area. The predominant user group is adult white males living in the core city, although suburban user groups are emerging.

The most common form of using heroin is injecting it, though younger adults also tend to use heroin by snorting or smoking it.

Crack and powder cocaine are widely available, with users tending to be black or white adults over the age of 30. Despite declines in crack cocaine use, supplies continue to come into the city from street gangs in Los Angeles and Chicago.

Marijuana availability has increased in the city and mostly comes from Mexico through Texas, New Mexico and Arizona. Young adults make up the primary selling group.

Methamphetamine is one of the most commonly abused drugs and is widely available in Denver. Much of the drug originates in Mexico, but law enforcement officials have seen an increase in small, local meth labs. From January to March, 85 methamphetamine labs were seized in the Rocky Mountain area.

Drug abuse and crime are closely linked, according to the profile. In 1999 in Denver, 66.8 percent of males and 69.1 percent of females arrested tested positive for drugs at the time of their arrest.

Walters said efforts must continue to prevent, intervene in and treat drug abuse.

"We must also change the cultural environment of denial," Walters said.

"Of the 6 million people addicted to drugs, more than half don't believe they have a problem. Denial is part of the disease."

Walters later visited a Denver juvenile drug court, one of eight drug courts in the state.

Drug courts provide an alternative to jail by using the authority of the criminal justice system to help substance abusers get treatment and stay in recovery.

"We have a responsibility - as family members, employers, physicians, educators, religious leaders, neighbors, colleagues and friends - to reach out to help these people," Walters said. "We must find ways to lead them back to drug-free lives."


pattym@RockyMountainNews.com or (303) 892-5423





26 posted on 10/02/2002 12:52:16 PM PDT by citizenK
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To: vin-one
Hi Jedi_Girl!

27 posted on 10/02/2002 12:52:40 PM PDT by DeadManRunning
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To: MrLeRoy
Wow, 27 intelligent posts in sequence. Time for Dane to show up and break the flow.
28 posted on 10/02/2002 1:15:51 PM PDT by Uncle Fud
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To: DeadManRunning
I will relay your message to her, since she sent me her list.
jedigirl aka chemicalsmile
29 posted on 10/02/2002 1:16:08 PM PDT by vin-one
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To: citizenK
I posted the full article because some of the Walters' statements at the end warrant comment and everyone should see his statements in context. (Not being from the WP or LA Times, the whole article can be posted - right?)

"Denial is part of the disease."

Walters co-opts the "drug abuse is a disease" argument. If he really believes this is the case, then we should see a whole host of new policies by the government meant to mitigate the effects of drug abuse on communities and families. Instead, we see the same old brutish tactics employed by drug enforcers, no-knock raids, property confiscation, and the incarceration of drug users. These are the same old policies that lead to an escalation of violence on the street, violence initiated and perpetrated by drug enforcement agents, and the empowerment of organized crime and criminal gangs.

What other diseases does the society deal with in such a draconian manner that pushes the limits of the Constitution?

I don't think Walters genuinely believes in what he is saying here, and I wonder why he applies the "disease" argument here. By labeling the problem as a disease, the problem of drugs focuses upon individual users and their behavior, not the drugs themselves. This is completely contrarian to the current modus operendi of the feds on this issue. Juxtapose his comments on the disease of drug addiction with the current policy to go after sick and dying people seeking the use of mj to relieve their symptoms. Is the government really worried that terminally ill people in hospice will require drug treatment?

Walters' statements outlined in this article reveal the cognitive dissonance underlying federal drug enforcement policies.

(BTW, I don't like the "drug abuse = disease" argument because in many instances it opens the door to the institutionalization of drug treatment, surely to be sponsored by the taxpayer. Drug treatment needs to be available for people who truly want it. The growing drug treatment industry, working hand-in-hand with the criminal justice system is a recipe for further social problems and corruption.)
30 posted on 10/02/2002 1:19:42 PM PDT by citizenK
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To: Pahuanui
That is the exact definition of abuse on the DEA website. Don't go check - they record the IP addresses of computers that visit their site.
31 posted on 10/02/2002 1:20:27 PM PDT by spodbox
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To: citizenK
"Denial is part of the disease." [...] I don't think Walters genuinely believes in what he is saying here, and I wonder why he applies the "disease" argument here.

It fits with the "all use is abuse" idea previously noted; anyone who is using drugs is abusing, and if they think otherwise they're simply in denial.

32 posted on 10/02/2002 1:22:50 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: vin-one
I see her all the time now at the cool kids hangout. You should join us.
33 posted on 10/02/2002 1:22:59 PM PDT by DeadManRunning
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To: DeadManRunning
freep mail me with the details, I would like to check it out
34 posted on 10/02/2002 1:24:44 PM PDT by vin-one
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To: spodbox
That is the exact definition of abuse on the DEA website.

I couldn't find that definition---but I did find the lamest attempt ever at being "with it":

GET IT STRAIGHT!

the facts about drugs

Prevention Posse

35 posted on 10/02/2002 1:33:15 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: Guy Angelito
nothing to go to jail for.

In what way would you like to see it "regulated"?

37 posted on 10/02/2002 1:37:14 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: spodbox
the DEA website

Why are they allowed to have an "Anti-Legalization" section? Does the HHS Web site have an "Anti-Welfare Reform" section?

38 posted on 10/02/2002 1:38:46 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
America is turning into the land of the nerds.

39 posted on 10/02/2002 1:44:19 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: MrLeRoy

"The greatest threat is the notion that we ought to give up and simply treat those people who are addicted."

The greatest threat to what?

40 posted on 10/02/2002 1:47:53 PM PDT by The FRugitive
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To: The FRugitive
The greatest threat to what?

His job.

41 posted on 10/02/2002 1:55:30 PM PDT by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
It looks like the guy on the left got ahold of some bad meth or something.
42 posted on 10/02/2002 1:55:32 PM PDT by The FRugitive
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To: The FRugitive
The blue lips are giving him away!
43 posted on 10/02/2002 2:31:14 PM PDT by jayef
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
America is turning into the land of the nerds.

Hey, I'm a nerd and I resent that. You have denigrated my lifestyle and I demand reparations for your hate crime.

(Sorry, just practicing my righteous indignation in case I ever have to impersonate a liberal).

44 posted on 10/02/2002 3:22:47 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: The FRugitive
The greatest threat to what?

The government's power over the sheep...

45 posted on 10/02/2002 3:30:31 PM PDT by Ferris
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To: ThinkDifferent
That was pretty good. I myself just found out I'm 1/16 Mi'Kmaq, so now I'm angling for my own casino. The white man has kept me down, too.
46 posted on 10/02/2002 6:18:51 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Ferris
Bump for gooberment losers losing power over the rest of us!
47 posted on 10/02/2002 8:47:01 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: vin-one
To jedigirl aka chemicalsmile

Welcome back, May the force (of the keyboard) be with you.

48 posted on 10/02/2002 9:37:11 PM PDT by FreeLibertarian
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To: MrLeRoy
Nice picture, very muti-cultural, urban, happening and hep. If I had kids I would force them to hang out with a set of racially balanced stereotypes, too, rather than people they actually like.

49 posted on 10/02/2002 9:54:20 PM PDT by Dakmar
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To: citizenK
"Our goal is not to cope with the drug problem, but to actively reduce substance abuse in our society," Walters said in an address to the National Treatment Accountability for Safer Communities conference.
Now I'm thoroughly confused and its all the czar's fault. I thought drug "abuse" was the drug problem!
What really is "the drug problem"? The Demand? Hmmmm...
Look, this is a kind of business. And we need to drive down supply and demand together, otherwise, an imbalance in the two will cause the one that has been reduced to be undermined by the one that has not. We need to drive down the problem and keep it down. That's our goal.

What's da problem?

50 posted on 10/03/2002 12:26:49 AM PDT by philman_36
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