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Lautenberg up 11 in new RAT poll!
Fox News | 10/04/02 | Me

Posted on 10/04/2002 12:57:08 PM PDT by winin2000

It's official folks!

Carl Cameron just announced the first RAT internal poll has Forrester being trounced by eleven points! And I got a sick feeling they're gonna get away with it!


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
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1 posted on 10/04/2002 12:57:08 PM PDT by winin2000
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To: winin2000
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2 posted on 10/04/2002 12:58:29 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: winin2000
Well, the RATS pulled the charade off for a reason...and THIS is it.
3 posted on 10/04/2002 12:58:38 PM PDT by Puppage
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To: winin2000
Internet poll, interesting.
4 posted on 10/04/2002 12:58:55 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: winin2000
You believe a poll taken by and for lib/dems? When was the last time a DEM told the truth, anyway?
5 posted on 10/04/2002 12:59:30 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Puppage
Just remember, Gore was up by an estimated poll of RAT manual recount vote-changers by around 5-10,000 votes before the Supremes inflicted Justice Maximus on the rodents!
6 posted on 10/04/2002 12:59:58 PM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: winin2000
What kind of poll was it? I'd be concerned if it was a legit poll, but if was push polling, I'd tend to say it was hogwash.
7 posted on 10/04/2002 1:00:02 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: boomop1
Not "internet", "internal"!
8 posted on 10/04/2002 1:00:13 PM PDT by winin2000
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To: winin2000
Thanks for the no link. Very useful post.
9 posted on 10/04/2002 1:00:23 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: anniegetyourgun
let me see the poll and I'll weigh the data myself.
10 posted on 10/04/2002 1:00:44 PM PDT by rface
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To: anniegetyourgun
No way it's the truth!
11 posted on 10/04/2002 1:01:35 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: winin2000
You can bet the polled this BEFORE they chose him or even pulled this stunt.
12 posted on 10/04/2002 1:01:42 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: winin2000
Of course an internal rat poll will show the rat winning... I mean, duh!
13 posted on 10/04/2002 1:02:16 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: rface
Yeah, like the DEMS would share it with you!
14 posted on 10/04/2002 1:02:22 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Puppage
I don't think SCOTUS will take it and I'll be totally teed off AGAIN. This is an outrage. So much for voter backlash against what the DNC did.
15 posted on 10/04/2002 1:02:37 PM PDT by Peach
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To: winin2000
The RATs wouldn't lie to us, would they?


16 posted on 10/04/2002 1:02:41 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: Howlin
More like, no way there is even a poll!
17 posted on 10/04/2002 1:02:42 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Torie; Dales
FYI.
18 posted on 10/04/2002 1:02:42 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: anniegetyourgun
I'm surprised they didn't announce this sooner; it must have been KILLING them to wait 'the appropriate length of time so it won't look contrived."

GAWD I HATE THEM ALL!

19 posted on 10/04/2002 1:03:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Of course it is true. Kiss this senate seat goodbye unless Forrester quickly gets away from the litigation strategy and begins attacking Lautenberg in TV ads.
20 posted on 10/04/2002 1:03:44 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: winin2000
It's probably overstated, but I can believe that Lautenburg is even or slightly ahead (3-5 points).

Why else would they have picked him?

21 posted on 10/04/2002 1:04:00 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: anniegetyourgun
But this is New Jersey! Don't the Dems own this state?
22 posted on 10/04/2002 1:04:23 PM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: ambrose
Actually, I agree with you, but IT'S NOT FAIR! DAMNIT, I'm sick of this!
23 posted on 10/04/2002 1:04:44 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: ambrose
The only chance Forrester has at this point is keeping Lautenburg off the ballot. Due to the DemocRATs cheating, there isn't time to run a reasonable campaign against him, and he has the greater name ID.
24 posted on 10/04/2002 1:05:06 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: winin2000
The pubbies better jump on this and start a poll of their own tonight!!! Let's see the truth!
25 posted on 10/04/2002 1:05:12 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: agrace
Look at this!
26 posted on 10/04/2002 1:05:43 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Carl Cameron pointed out on Monday, or whenever it was that Torricelli withdrew, that ANY Democrat would be the favored candidate. If this is true, I guess the backlash against the Dems in New Jersey is not true. This is so disgusting.
27 posted on 10/04/2002 1:07:38 PM PDT by Wphile
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To: anniegetyourgun

28 posted on 10/04/2002 1:08:05 PM PDT by rface
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To: Howlin
No kidding, although I think this is aimed more at the Forrester supporters to dishearten them as opposed to convincing everyone. I have to wonder how much of this was a "push poll."
29 posted on 10/04/2002 1:08:06 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: winin2000
No this is great. The Dems defense in SCOTUS is that the GOP was not "harmed", with this poll showing around a 20 point difference between Torch and Laut there's clear harm to the GOP.
30 posted on 10/04/2002 1:08:08 PM PDT by discostu
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To: winin2000
If this is a Fox poll its credible. If this is a internal Democratic poll, its a fraud. Either way, it won't matter. The Supreme Court is going to overrule this decision. Otherwise, all those primary votes mean nothing, so obviously "every vote doesn't count" for the Demonrats. And it would set a precedence that would allow the courts to decide who is going to be on the ballot in elections across the country, not the voters. If that isn't the beginning of a totalitarian system of government, I don't know what is. You might as well get rid of the Supreme Court if they don't rule this. This is at the foundation of our Constitution, the right to vote. It does illustrate just how far away liberals have gotten from the basic tenants of our Republic.
31 posted on 10/04/2002 1:08:08 PM PDT by Russell Scott
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To: BlackRazor; Torie; Coop; Free the USA; deport
Daschle 1 NRSC 0
32 posted on 10/04/2002 1:08:18 PM PDT by KQQL
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To: B Knotts
The only chance Forrester has at this point is keeping Lautenburg off the ballot.
Due to the DemocRATs cheating, there isn't time to run a reasonable campaign against
him, and he has the greater name ID.


Generally agreed.
Forrester should be checking with the board that monitors campaign funds/usage
(can't think of the acronym) and ask if he gets to "start over" with use of a
full-campaign's worth of funds, now that he has to face a second opponent.
33 posted on 10/04/2002 1:09:40 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Russell Scott; Howlin; Miss Marple
Democrats: "We will lie, cheat, and steal to win. And it's for the children."
34 posted on 10/04/2002 1:10:14 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: RAT Patrol
Absolutely right. I think all this was gamed out ahead of time by the 'Rats. Their initial gambit was to keep Torricelli viable by keeping the scandals buried by their friends in the media. When this scheme fell apart you can tell by the smooth transition to Lousyberg (the Pallone and others scrimmage was just a smokescreen) that this was their fallback plan. Lousyberg is well-known in Jersey and has a lot of money. They just did their bait-and-switch, and now what was a potentillay lost seat is theirs for the picking, assuming the USSC doesn't throw a wrench into the plans. But even if they do, what do the 'Rats have to lose by trying? Torricelli was going down anyway, so why not roll the dice and pull the wool over the sheeple's eyes one more time?
35 posted on 10/04/2002 1:11:05 PM PDT by chimera
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I have to say that I do not believe the poll. After all that has been said on Limbaugh about people openly angry with Lautenberg, this poll cannot be right.

It's just another lie perpetuated upon the American public.

Besides, when the USSC takes the care, they will blow this out of the water!

36 posted on 10/04/2002 1:11:31 PM PDT by mrb1960
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To: hchutch
And it's for the children.

Only for those lucky enough to get out of the womb.

37 posted on 10/04/2002 1:11:56 PM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: winin2000
They will, unless SCOTUS acts, and I don't think they will.
38 posted on 10/04/2002 1:12:13 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin
No way, I do NOT believe it! Every article I have read about Dem reaction to what's going on has been primarily disgust for the whole thing. And Lautenberg hardly had a warm reception from the average joe on the way to work this morning as he tried to drum up some action at a Path station. He arrived, cameras in tow, and mostly people wouldn't even acknowledge him as they passed by to get their trains. A few who did had some negative words for him and the party.

If there is ANY truth to this, Forrester better get to hammering on Lautenberg's record regarding security issues because it stinks. It's a goldmine with regard to the fact that many, many victims and survivors of the WTC live(d) in coastal LIBERAL counties in NJ. Tell them that Lautenberg is soft on terrorism and cite how, and he may do some real damage.

Thanks for the ping!
39 posted on 10/04/2002 1:12:47 PM PDT by agrace
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To: winin2000
Do we have any clue as to where these numbers come from?

I have an idea:

Clear View Cemetary (456 votes Loutenberg, 0 votes Forrester)

Peaceful Farms Retirement Home (674 votes Loutenberg, 0 votes Forrester)

Average N.J. citizens (12 votes Loutenberg, 905 votes Forrester, 57 still waiting for Democratic instructions)

Remove Dead and the Mentally Infirmed:

12 Loutenberg
905 Forrester
57 clueless

Results accurate to plus or minus 100,000 percent...

Humm...I don't feel so bad...

DD
40 posted on 10/04/2002 1:13:21 PM PDT by DiamondDon1
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To: Catspaw
You can damn well bet it was a push poll! That was part of their action plan as far back as a month ago.

It was a Dem hired gun pollster who designed a poll to achieve the desired results.

41 posted on 10/04/2002 1:13:31 PM PDT by Lightnin
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To: hchutch
Soon lib/dems will be stealing popsicles from children and using the sticks as sex toys with interns who just happened to be dead because they knew too much about illegal campaign contributions. But not to worry, they'll find a judge to let 'em off.....
42 posted on 10/04/2002 1:13:40 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: chimera
Yep. Add to that the turntable effect this poll has. The Pubs have been saying that the Rats motive was their fear of losing--polling. Now watch the Rats use the same argument against the Pubs case before the SCOTUS.
43 posted on 10/04/2002 1:15:01 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: Howlin
I posted this the other night:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/762027/posts


Actually, my original thread was "Lautenberg up by 10!" and then I said to expect that as a news item very soon. The moderator yanked it and said the title was misleading. Oh well.
44 posted on 10/04/2002 1:16:25 PM PDT by ambrose
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To: chimera
And they will say "this poll proves the will of the people of NJ." Watch them use this poll as evidence. I wonder if we can find out if they ran this poll last week too.
45 posted on 10/04/2002 1:16:55 PM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: winin2000
At least we know about how many ballot boxes they are going to stuff with fraudulant votes. Are there enough freeper's in NJ to do some poll watching in key areas?
46 posted on 10/04/2002 1:19:17 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Lightnin
Don't believe a dem sponsored poll. Let me give you a few examples:

In the race between Sununu and Shaheen in NH, a democrat sponsored poll shows Shaheen with a 2 point lead (46-44). However, another poll (ARG) shows Sununu with a 19 point lead.

In Texas, the democrat sponsored poll shows Kirk with a 4 point lead, but a Zogby poll shows Cornyn with a 12 point lead.

See the following site for more poll results:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Congressional/Senate_02_Polls.html

Relax. This poll is wrong!

-Trackman
47 posted on 10/04/2002 1:20:20 PM PDT by trackman
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To: agrace
Keep us posted, agrace!
48 posted on 10/04/2002 1:20:44 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Lightnin
I was push polled last night for a state assembly seat. Before I let the person start, I told him that if this was a push poll, that I was hanging up. He started in on a song & dance...and that's when I hung up.
49 posted on 10/04/2002 1:20:59 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: agrace
And Lautenberg hardly had a warm reception from the average joe on the way to work this morning as he tried to drum up some action at a Path station.

People going to work aren't a 'rat demographic to begin with.

50 posted on 10/04/2002 1:21:00 PM PDT by sphinx
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