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Sawgrass: Let's Roll - Those Convoys to Florida!
The Sierra Times ^ | Oct. 4, 2002 | Dave Skinner

Posted on 10/05/2002 7:27:41 AM PDT by madfly

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1 posted on 10/05/2002 7:27:42 AM PDT by madfly
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2 posted on 10/05/2002 7:35:55 AM PDT by madfly
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sorry, hit post first time without photos.
3 posted on 10/05/2002 7:37:07 AM PDT by madfly
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Hey ... thanks for the pics!
4 posted on 10/05/2002 7:39:52 AM PDT by Askel5
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BTTT!!!!!!
5 posted on 10/05/2002 7:52:03 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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Paragon Foundation's Jay Walley
takes on U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Major Chuplt
on behalf of
Flordia Paragon members

6 posted on 10/05/2002 7:52:33 AM PDT by madfly
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Earlier thread from WND.

Sawgrass Rebellion Rekindled by Henry Lamb


7 posted on 10/05/2002 7:55:30 AM PDT by madfly
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I found an interesting document on the Army COE's Jacksonville District website:

MODIFIED WATER DELIVERIES TO EVERGLADES NATIONAL PARK 8.5 SQUARE MILE AREA (SMA) - LAND ACQUISITION FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQS)

WHERE IS THE 8.5 SMA LOCATED?

The 8.5 Square Mile Area (SMA), a component of the Modified Water Deliveries to Everglades National Park (MWD) Project, is a populated area in South Miami-Dade County located approximately 6.6 miles south of Tamiami Trail (U.S. 41). It is bounded on the west by the Everglades National Park (ENP), and separated from the more intensively developed urban lands to the east by the L-31N flood protection levee and borrow canal.

WHY IS LAND ACQUISITION NECESSARY?

Land acquisition is necessary to provide flood mitigation for the residential area, which could be affected by water flows from the other components of the Modified Water Deliveries to Everglades National Park Project.

WHAT LAND ACQUISITION STEPS HAVE TAKEN PLACE?

All landowners were invited to attend public meeting on January 16, 2001. At the meeting, the project was explained, the specific property to be acquired was identified and the Acquisition Process and Land Owner’s Rights were explained.

Bilingual information materials were provided to all attendees including maps and a summary of landowners rights. Presentations were simultaneously translated, with bilingual staff members available following the meeting. Landowner’s were provided with a toll-free phone number to call for information in both Spanish and English. A community leader’s meeting preceded the general public meeting to allow for smaller group interaction with those most outspoken on behalf of their community.

A second meeting, open to the public but specifically for the landowners in the highest priority areas to be acquired was held on January 31, 2001. The acquisition process and landowners rights were explained in greater detail, in both English and Spanish. Two more meetings were held in November 2001, one specifically for Spanish speakers, and a second for the landowners in the next priority.

WHAT IS THE STATUS OF AQUISITION?

As of 2/19/02, 155 Offers to Sell (OTS) have been mailed to landowners and 61 of those have been signed and returned to the Corps of Engineers by the landowner. Corps of Engineers’ negotiators have been making contact with landowners on a regular basis and status changes daily.

WHY IS CONDEMNATION REQUIRED FOR SOME TRACTS?

Many tracts require condemnation to clear title defects. Some tracts require condemnation if there is a difference of opinion concerning value and agreement on purchase price has not been reached. In either case, condemnation is used only as a last resort to purchase property.

DOES THE CORPS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CONDEMN?

Yes. The power of condemnation was granted under 40 U.S.C. 257 which states:

In every case in which the Secretary of the Treasury or any other officer of the Government has been, or hereafter shall be, authorized to procure real estate for the erection of a public building or for other public uses, he may acquire the same for the United States by condemnation, under judicial process, whenever in his opinion it is necessary or advantageous to the Government to do so, and the Attorney General of the United States, upon every application of the Secretary of the Treasury, under this section and section 258 of this title, or such other officer, shall cause proceedings to be commenced for condemnation within thirty days from receipt of the application at the Department of Justice. The Corps condemnation authority is set forth in 33 U.S.C. 591 and 33 U.S.C. 701. Declaration of Taking authority comes from 40 U.S.C. 258a which gives the government title in advance of final judgment.

WHAT IS THE CONDEMNATION PROCESS?

After all possibilities are exhausted, the owner is notified in writing of the Government’s intent to condemn and the reason why condemnation is necessary. At the same time, a Condemnation Assembly is sent from the Corps of Engineers to the Department of Justice (DOJ). A Condemnation Assembly includes such information as negotiation report, tract appraisal & review certificate, declaration of taking forms, project maps, etc. DOJ forwards the Condemnation Assembly to the local US Attorney (Miami). The Condemnation Assembly is filed in Federal District Court. The U.S. District Court (Judge) executes an order of possession authorizing the Government to enter the property. The Court conducts a hearing/trial and enters a Final judgment.

WHERE WILL THE CORPS BE FILING THE CASES?

The cases will be filed in the Federal District Court of the Southern District of Florida located in Miami, FL.

WHO PREPARED THE APPRAISALS TO ESTABLISH ESTIMATED FAIR MARKET VALUE?

The Corps of Engineers entered into a contract with an independent contract appraiser familiar with the 8.5 SMA.

HOW DO LANDOWNERS RETRIEVE FUNDS DEPOSITED IN THE COURT?

When the case is filed in the Federal District court of the Southern District of Florida, a check in the amount of the estimated fair market value is deposited with the court. Landowners may make application for disbursement of funds to United States Attorney’s Office, Southern District of Florida, 99 Northeast Fourth Street, Miami, Florida 33130 or call 305-961-9372.

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Link HERE

They invite you to a public meeting so that you can provide "input" before they run your ass off your own land. Isn't that nice of them?

8 posted on 10/05/2002 8:19:57 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Good find
9 posted on 10/05/2002 8:22:45 AM PDT by madfly
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In 1989, Congress authorized flood protection for the 8.5 SMA, a project that was supposed to be completed by 1997. But as usual, environmental politics brought work to a standstill, leaving residents to be flooded and flooded again, along with Dade County farms.

The Army COE project manager is:

Ms. Cheryl Ulrich, P.E.
Phone: (904) 232-1700

Feel free to call her up and ask her about the status of this project.

The Army COE's project webpage is HERE.

10 posted on 10/05/2002 8:46:42 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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Here's a LINK to some correspondence (in .pdf format) between the Dept. of the Interior, The Corps, and the Fish & Wildlife Services. Isn't it nice how they are oh-so-concerned about the sparrows? But they don't give a flying crap about the people that they are running off their land for pennies on the dollar!
11 posted on 10/05/2002 9:08:53 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: madfly
bump
12 posted on 10/05/2002 9:11:47 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: AAABEST; farmfriend; hedgetrimmer; sauropod
ping
13 posted on 10/05/2002 9:37:00 AM PDT by madfly
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
I like a man that does his homework.

They invite you to a public meeting so that you can provide "input" before they run your ass off your own land. Isn't that nice of them?

It's all for show.

the Acquisition Process and Land Owner’s Rights were explained.

Orwellian newspeak pig-people. What rights does anyone have when they a being robbed? They conveniently leave out the fact that congress ordered them via NEPA that any restoration must protect the community. They gave them the funds (56 million) to do just that. They are now operating outside the law and nobody is doing a damn thing about it.

Problem is that NEPA didn't fit into their "no people allowed" agenda. The ACOE was brought into Florida long ago protect and work for THE PEOPLE after thousands had died in hurricanes and flooding. Now they've become this arbitrary, unelected, unaccountable quasi government that does the bidding of NGO eco-conglomerates.

Nothing but a bunch of law breaking theives.

14 posted on 10/05/2002 9:57:16 AM PDT by AAABEST
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Yep. It's really great that the COE has the power to condemn the property that your house sits on and have you thrown off of it so that they can use it for their stuff.

Even if people were paid the full market price for their house and property, what is the "full market price" for a condemned piece of property? It's pretty slick how they declare your property essentially worthless, then buy it for that amount.

15 posted on 10/05/2002 10:09:03 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: AAABEST
Corps of Engineers’ negotiators have been making contact with landowners on a regular basis...

I'll bet these COE negotiators have gotten a real warm welcome so far. If one of these guys showed up on my doorstep, I would probably go to jail for assault. I can just picture some of those conversations: "We're your pals and we're here to help you. Now sell us your house and lot now that we've rendered it worthless."

16 posted on 10/05/2002 10:13:45 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
It's pretty slick how they declare your property essentially worthless, then buy it for that amount.

Just by them showing up and poking around property becomes depressed as property values are dictated by buying activity. Who wants to buy property that they have their eyes on anyway?

In Florida, it's the ACOE using flooding as a weapon. Other places out West and elsewhere it's the DOI, Fish and Wildlife etc. that use drought and endangered species. Whatever works to kill the community.

Various organizations, same SOP.

Swoop in for some fake jumk science "crisis", devalue the land with flooding, drought, regulation whatever works. After the scourge, governmental and multi billion dollar non-governmentals purchase the property at bargain basement prices. They simply don't have the money to pay full price and even if they did, they wouldn't find the "willing sellers" to accomplsh their elaborate schemes.

They've got the system down pat and are using the same model all over the country.

17 posted on 10/05/2002 10:33:20 AM PDT by AAABEST
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Please add a bump for the thread. We need all the help we can get.

Let me know if you want off this list. I know where the delete button is.

18 posted on 10/05/2002 10:49:30 AM PDT by farmfriend
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Big Convoy...Bump !!

Property Rights...Bump !!

Stop the attacks on our Freedoms by the wacko, extreme left-wing, lunatic fringe, dirt worshipping Green Jihadist, enviro-nazis terrorist's and their toadies in the media !!

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Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

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Fighting Irresponsible Radical Environmentalism !!
19 posted on 10/05/2002 10:58:37 AM PDT by blackie
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LMAO!!!

D00d your creative blurbs just kill me for some reason!

I see you've added "big convoy bump" today. You're too much.

20 posted on 10/05/2002 11:05:09 AM PDT by AAABEST
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