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10/06/02 | Patriot62

Posted on 10/06/2002 9:59:02 PM PDT by Patriot62

I went to the Jim McDermott Town Hall Meeting in Seattle today. A handful of FReepers were there with some excellent signs ("Go back to Bagdhad"). Unfortunately the vast majority of those attending (at least 250) in the packed room were gung-ho supporters of McDermott. Jihad Jim literally spent the entire 1 1/2 hours of his meeting bashing the USA. He said that the war on Iraq was merely a ploy by President Bush to distract the American people from the economy. He spoke of dying children in Iraq and polluted water and blamed the US. In fact he blamed the USA for every possible wrong in the world with the possible exclusion of athlete's foot. It was hard to take, especially when he accused the President of using the 09/11 Terrorist attacks for his own political benefit.

This man has no shame. I got up during the question/Answer session and pointed out that in his entire harrangue he failed to mention what Sadaam is about, what he has done to his and other peoples and the threat he poses to the U.S. and the world. When I made my comments I was heckled by the crowd, I was told to "sit down" and that I was "in the wrong crowd" , even though I was probably one of the few in the room who is actually a constituent. Jim suggested that the WMD threat is a made up bogeyman. He talked about how he felt so free and unfettered in Iraq - the only problem in the Iraqi paradise is apparently they don't have a prescription drug plan (I'm serious)our fault too.

Mcdermott actually said "Sadaam is at least five years away from building a nuclear weapon - so what is the rush in getting him now?"

One brave fellow asked what Mr. McDermott was doing to control rampant spending in Washington. Mr Mcdermott said (and once again I am serious) that he has been trying to cut defense spending for years (to wild applause).

Tariq Aziz could not have done a better propaganda job for Iraq. Jihad Jim then left the meeting to speak at a huge "Hate-America" Rally in Downtown Seattle.

I went down to the "Peace" Rally with my sign ("How Do You Spell Traitor M-C-D-E-R-M-O-T-T") I found a few pro-USA folks across the street from the rally waving signs and flags. This was before the main mass of Anti-USA marchers had arrived. At that time there were only about 300 of them and about 30 of us. It was very nice meeting Libertina and the FReepers who showed up. We had a good time and our very presence seemed to drive the unwashed hippies nuts.

Carol Cassady (Republican running for Congress against Bagdhad Jim) came by and we sang a few patrotic songs and chanted a few chants.

As time went on though the mood changed. The Hate America crowd began to get nastier (and a few were just looney). They started to come over to our side of the street and harass our small group. One slimebag unprovoked threatened to throw a rock at one of our group. The police said they could/would do nothing unless an actual assault occured.

We soon saw the thousands of the great unwashed marching towards us. One of the Cops quietly suggested that we get the hell out of there as they did not have the numbers to protect us. So we left.

What became clar to me is that the Lefties are a scary bunch, they hate those who disagree with their worldview. If these folks ever got into power it would be off to the re-education camps for all of us (I wish I was joking).

Anyways I'm glad I went to wave the flag a bit. I am very proud of those of you who showed up. It was 5,000 to about 30 but I think we made our point.

Our little group was mentioned by most of the media covering the event. Another day on the Left coast.

Can't wait to do it again!

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1 posted on 10/06/2002 9:59:02 PM PDT by Patriot62
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To: Patriot62
Great job and thanks for satanding up to the traitor. You said that you're a constituent of Baghdad Jim''s his race look out there? Is going to pay for this treachery with his seat?
2 posted on 10/06/2002 10:04:31 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Patriot62
Screw that bastard, Jim McDermott!
3 posted on 10/06/2002 10:11:32 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Patriot62
It's going to take a generation or two of being enslaved to convince these people that the freedom they take for granted isn't free.
4 posted on 10/06/2002 10:12:44 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: Patriot62
God bless you and Libertina and all those who stood for right.

A wise man once said (paraphrase):

If you stand for liberty you stand with God. And if you stand alone you still stand with God and the right."
You stood with God today IMHO, and God bless you for it. The principles upon which this nation were founded and a firm committment to them are the furhtest idea away from the like of McDermott and those who support him. They are socialist/marxists. Their ilk was in control for eight years and look what it got us.

We need many, many more to stand ... but in the end ... God and one make a majority.

Best Regards.

5 posted on 10/06/2002 10:16:10 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Patriot62
Thanks for standing up to the unpatriotic lying Left. I was wondering, when these hooligans start threatening protesters who disagree with them, as they usually seem to do, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to have some 'going away' signs to given them a little something to think about, something like 'Support freedom of expression' or 'Lefties loved Stalin and Hitler, too.'.
6 posted on 10/06/2002 10:16:49 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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To: Patriot62
Thanks for posting this - I saw it in the Washington (the state) post section....I was hoping you'd get it out...

7 posted on 10/06/2002 10:17:03 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: Reagan Man
8 posted on 10/06/2002 10:20:51 PM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: pgkdan
Unfortunately, there is virtually no chance that this traitor will be defeated in the upcoming election. He is in an extremely liberal--loony district.
9 posted on 10/06/2002 10:24:27 PM PDT by TheConservator
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To: Patriot62; Libertina
Great report Patriot. Thanks for sharing your experiences and for taking McDermott to task.

Puget Sound FReepers, I salute you all.

10 posted on 10/06/2002 10:24:59 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: Patriot62

THANKS FOR DOING OUR DUTY FOR US. I'm kind of glad to no longer be in the shameful scum's constituency.
11 posted on 10/06/2002 10:26:12 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Patriot62
My deepest thanks to the Baghdad thirty.
12 posted on 10/06/2002 10:29:04 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Patriot62
Did you tape his talk? If not, you should, there's national interest in what McDermott is saying, because he is so outrageous.
13 posted on 10/06/2002 10:29:41 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt
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To: Patriot62
Wow. Unbelieveable that there are so many of these magot infected leftist/socialist in our country. Says much for our educational system and very similar to our local group here in Austin. Here's some thoughts picked up from a blog site. Wish I had seen this before going to our Anti-War protest.

Thanks for a job well done.

Found this on a blog thread. About sums up the rational fairly well.

Why is the blogsphere pro military action?

Brad Wardell ( 10/06/02)

A friend of mine asked me today why are so many of the blogs are “pro-war” with regard to Iraq?

I think it has to do with the fact that blogs, unlike the general media, are much more interactive. If we put out a faulty argument, we’re going to get called on it.

So far, none of the anti-war people have put together a compelling argument for not acting with military force. For most people who have put a lot of thought into this subject it boils down to this:

Which costs more? Using military force to make a regime change in Iraq or doing nothing (or relying on inspections)?

The anti-war crowd has put together lots of “questions” and “concerns” and questions about the concerns and concerns over questions about what could conceivably go wrong if the United States and friends invade Iraq. For the sake of argument, I think many who advocate military action concede that military action, as an option, stinks. It’s just that we think the long term results of doing nothing will stink more.

The anti-war crowd is like the man trapped in a burning building. Standing near the edge of a window he sees a net being placed below him to jump into. He ponders all the things that might go wrong if he tries to jump into the net. Maybe he’ll miss. Maybe the net will break. Maybe he’ll get hurt anyway. Does that mean he shouldn’t still jump? Without considering the results of not jumping (such as being horribly burned to death), it’s a meaningless argument.

So any credible argument that is meant to persuade anyone to be against military action needs to put forth the argument that doing nothing will very likely cost less than military action. And so far no one in the blogsphere has put forth such an argument. In fact, I haven’t even read a single argument that attempts to argue that the cost of inaction is less than the cost of action.

And so the result is that the blogsphere is almost completely in favor of military action. If you don’t like that, then you need to come up with an argument that includes calculating in the cost of inaction.

update: One reader asks "What about the option between military action versus coerced inspections/disarmament?" This assumes 1) That inspections will somehow go differently than before, 2) The cease-fire terms required disarmament and he violated them, so we're going to go through the same show again? 3) How long are "inspections" going to last? 3 years? 5 years? Indefinitely? I don't see how indefinitely is going to be an option and what would be the costs of indefinite inspections? What about the costs of inspections for 3 years (which seems to me to just delay the inevitable).

I've written a follow-up that addresses the pro-inspection argument:


Inspections equal Inaction
Brad Wardell ( 10/06/02)

Several readers have emailed me asserting that if we can get inspectors back into Iraq and force disarmament then we can avoid a costly war, save lives, and accomplish the same goals. I don't see it that way. In my view, the original inspections had two goals:

1) To disarm Iraq of any weapons of mass destruction

2) To demonstrate whether Saddam could be trusted to comply with his agreements.

Both goals had to be accomplished to make any future relationship with Saddam's Iraq possible. History has shown that the original inspections accomplished neither goal and in fact has shown that Iraq will not act in good faith.

So what's really the point in getting inspectors in? How long are they going to stay in there? Indefinitely? That's the only way I can see them being effective. Having to play cat and mouse with Saddam and Junior over the next several decades is going to be costly. And I haven't seen any real
analysis looking at the likely costs of this.

What you say? If he messes up then we go in with force later on? Well heck, he was violating terms of the gulf war cease fire while US troops were still in his territory. The will of the "international community" and that of the United States is variable depending on who is in charge.

So let's look at this hypothetical:

Saddam lets inspectors back in with truly "unfettered access". Over the next 2 years they find no weapons of mass destruction (i.e. Saddam has destroyed them or hidden them beyond being found).

What then? The pressure to remove sanctions will only grow. So then let's say in 2004 the left's dreams come true and we get a President Bonior or something. At that point, Iraq sans sanctions is able to put its weapons programs into high gear and starts to gradually increase the pressure on theweapons inspectors, obstructing them at greater rates while bemoaning to the UN that "the inspections have been going on for long enough, it's time to move on.." President Bonior says "We must take Saddam at face value" and the inspections end. Just after Bonior wins his second term, Iraq announces it has several nuclear weapons and begins bullying OPEC, winning concessions from his neighbors and potentially supplying terrorists with weapons of mass destruction. And that's a rosy scenario.

So in my mind, all inspections do is delay the problem. Saddam has already demonstrates he can't be trusted. I don't want to gamble with something this important. Taking Iraq might cost us thousands of troops and require occupation while a new liberal democratic government is nurtured. But the benefits of this far outweigh, in my mind, the cost of inaction. And I suspect that like the first gulf war, that the likely costs of military action will be much less than the doom and gloom that we're being fed.
In my view, inspections are the same as inaction since they lead to the same results.

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Anti-war protest draws about 1,500 in Austin (plus two Freepers for counter-demonstration)

Posted by GUIDO to jobshopper; Gracey; TheSarce; austingirl
On News/Activism Oct 6 3:47 PM #84 of 87

same here, I read it in the paper and knew. Thankfully the paper here mentioned they were from freerepublic. I have been waiting for this report. I am so proud of you that went. It takes alot of courage to be there amongst some really bitter, hateful and basically looney people. I have done it before and the liberals do not know diplomacy. Thanks for all you do. guido

14 posted on 10/06/2002 10:30:25 PM PDT by Gracey
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OOPs..make that the Seattle thirty. (It's late)
15 posted on 10/06/2002 10:30:27 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: Patriot62
God bless you wonderful patriots! Thankyou!
16 posted on 10/06/2002 10:44:05 PM PDT by brat
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To: Patriot62
Good lord, it's beginning to sound like Vietnam all over again.
17 posted on 10/06/2002 11:01:40 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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And the entire Left Coast, in general. It must be the "earthquake mentality" our there that makes them flaming, unpatriotic, liberals.

18 posted on 10/06/2002 11:12:40 PM PDT by BulletBrasDotNet
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To: Jeff Chandler
yup.... and the "kent state incident" shut down the campus riots and inner city riots in about a week and a half.

we need to consider that a "kent state incident" or two, might be in the very near future. because "tin soldiers and nixon coming... four dead in oh high oh...." got the job done. END of riots.

the tiny minority of these "out of work" criminals and welfare recipients who support this cowardly anti war effort... only look big because they are loud-mouths and don't have to go to work tomorrow. They are generally just welfare recipients, ne'er-do-wells and criminals between stays in the pen or jail, where they feel most at home.

they are also cowards. after a couple hundred of them go to jail or end up in the hospital due to clashes with the national guard or something... we will see a lot of back tracking.
19 posted on 10/06/2002 11:14:02 PM PDT by recalcitrant
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To: recalcitrant
So, you're advocating killing anyone who disagrees with you? I see no difference between this and the liberal's hate of us!

Kent State came right out of Stalin's and Hitler's playbook.

So you wish to live in a totalitarian State where power comes from the barrel of a gun? Chairman Mao would be proud of you.
20 posted on 10/07/2002 1:19:39 AM PDT by Arkansawyer
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To: Patriot62
Thanks for your actions... god bless you buddy!

There were similar protests in various locations across the US today. Of course, the liberal media was covering these antics in force. On the LA TV 10PM and 11PM news feeds, the stories of protest were surrounded by other stories of "new Bin Ladin tape at 10" and "French oil tank blew up, probably Al Qaida"

Featured prominently in our area were representatives of the Greens, Commies, and ACLU (same outfit I guess).

I noticed that you wrote this: The police said they could/would do nothing unless an actual assault occured

Well, I got news. What an incompetent police department! If one guy chucks a rock in our area, the Sheriff's Dept. calls it "attack with a deadly weapon", "attempted assault", and "obstruction of traffic". Where in hell are the LAPD, Seattle PD, and NYPD at any of these demonstrations? The laws are written to be followed, not to be gathering mold in the ex-chief's book nook!

If you got the crime, make 'em do the time!
If you got a crook, put 'em in the slammer.
If the anarchists have rocks, take away the entire flock!
21 posted on 10/07/2002 1:27:26 AM PDT by bonesmccoy
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To: Arkansawyer
I advocate nothing of the sort... but it was a historical fact. And if the anti america protestors continue to escalate conflicts with police and become violent as they WILL do historically, that is EXACTLY where we are headed.

This is the vietnam protestor "Redux" for a bunch of aging, baby boomer america haters. They want to relive their "youth" protest years. It's gonna get ugly. And until the police crack down on the ever increasing acts of violent protest, the "anarchists" and antiglobalist won't be satisfied.

People have a right to peacebly assemble. They don't have a right to riot. That is where this is headed. COUNT on it. The dems are... and they won't be satisfied till they generate confrontations with police that gets people hurt...

The TRUTH is rioters get hurt. And when they do, RIOTS end... and peaceable assembly and protest goes forward...

Folks who don't believe that rioters get shot, are living in denial. And folks who think that rioting is a right are sorely mistaken. Things are headed for a confrontation. Watch and see.

22 posted on 10/07/2002 1:37:53 AM PDT by recalcitrant
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To: Patriot62
One brave fellow asked what Mr. McDermott was doing to control rampant spending in Washington. Mr Mcdermott said (and once again I am serious) that he has been trying to cut defense spending for years (to wild applause).

Baghdad Jim Mcdermott is a pinko card carrying member of the Democratic Socialists of America's Progressive Caucus, a group of UNPATRIOTIC UNAMERICAN subversives that are actively engaged in overthrowing the capitalist system of government in the USA and transforming it into a socialist nation.

"Progressive" is a code word for socialist, note that Sanders of VT is an officer.

Why these people are allowed to get on national TV and not disclose or be asked by the press reagrding their membership in a socialist organization is beyond me.

The table below was downloaded from the Democratic Socialists of America

Members of the Progressive Caucus

Address Phone Website
Peter DeFazio
2134 RHOB 225-6416 WEBSITE
Dennis Kucinich (Chairman)
1730 LHOB 225-5871 WEBSITE
Barbara Lee (Vice Chair)
426 CHOB 225-2661 WEBSITE
Cynthia McKinney
124 CHOB 225-1605 WEBSITE
Major Owens
2309 RHOB 225-6231 WEBSITE
Bernie Sanders
2135 RHOB 225-4115 WEBSITE
Paul Wellstone
136 HSOB 224-5641 WEBSITE

Address Phone Website
Neil Abercrombie
1502 LHOB 225-2726 WEBSITE
Tammy Baldwin
1022 LHOB 225-2906 WEBSITE
Xavier Becerra
1119 LHOB 225-6235 WEBSITE
David Bonior
2207 RHOB 225-2106 WEBSITE
Corrine Brown
2444 RHOB 225-0123 WEBSITE
Sherrod Brown
2438 RHOB 225-3401 WEBSITE
Michael Capuano
1232 LHOB 225-5111 WEBSITE
Julia Carson
1339 LHOB 225-4011 WEBSITE
William "Lacy" Clay
415 CHOB 225-2406 WEBSITE
John Conyers
2426 RHOB 225-5126 WEBSITE
Danny Davis
1222 LHOB 225-5006 WEBSITE
Rosa DeLauro
2262 RHOB 225-3661 WEBSITE
Lane Evans
2211 RHOB 225-5905 WEBSITE
Eni Faleomavaega
2422 RHOB 225-8577 WEBSITE
Sam Farr
1221 LHOB 225-2861 WEBSITE
Chaka Fattah
1205 LHOB 225-4001 WEBSITE
Bob Filner
2463 RHOB 225-8045 WEBSITE
Barney Frank
2252 RHOB 225-5931 WEBSITE
Luis Gutierrez
2452 RHOB 225-8203 WEBSITE
Earl Hilliard
1314 LHOB 225-2665 WEBSITE
Maurice Hinchey
2431 RHOB 225-6335 WEBSITE
Jesse Jackson, Jr
313 CHOB 225-0773
Sheila Jackson-Lee
403 CHOB 225-3816 WEBSITE
Stephanie Tubbs Jones
1516 LHOB 225-7032 WEBSITE
Marcy Kaptur
2366 RHOB 225-4146 WEBSITE
Tom Lantos
2217 RHOB 225-3531 WEBSITE
John Lewis
343 CHOB 225-3801 WEBSITE
Jim McDermott
1035 LHOB 225-3106 WEBSITE
James P. McGovern
430 CHOB 225-6101 WEBSITE
Carrie Meek
2433 RHOB 225-4506 WEBSITE
George Miller
2205 RHOB 225-2095 WEBSITE
Patsy Mink
2210 RHOB 225-4906 WEBSITE
Jerry Nadler
2334 RHOB 225-5635 WEBSITE
Eleanor Holmes Norton
2136 RHOB 225-8050 WEBSITE
John Olver
1027 LHOB 225-5335 WEBSITE
Ed Pastor
2465 RHOB 225-4065 WEBSITE
Donald Payne
2209 RHOB 225-3436 WEBSITE
Nancy Pelosi
2457 RHOB 225-4965 WEBSITE
Bobby Rush
2416 RHOB 225-4372 WEBSITE
Jan Schakowsky
515 CHOB 225-2111 WEBSITE
Jose Serrano
2342 RHOB 225-4361 WEBSITE
Hilda Solis
1641 LHOB 225-5464 WEBSITE
Pete Stark
239 CHOB 225-5065 WEBSITE
Bennie Thompson
2432 RHOB 225-5876 WEBSITE
John Tierney
120 CHOB 225-8020 WEBSITE
Tom Udall
502 CHOB 225-6190 WEBSITE
Nydia Velazquez
2241 RHOB 225-2361 WEBSITE
Maxine Waters
2344 RHOB 225-2201 WEBSITE
Diane Watson
2413 RHOB 225-7084 WEBSITE
Mel Watt
2236 RHOB 225-1510 WEBSITE
Henry Waxman
2204 RHOB 225-3976 WEBSITE
Lynn Woolsey
2263 RHOB 225-5161 WEBSITE

Congressional Progressive Caucus

23 posted on 10/07/2002 1:42:50 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Patriot62
If the GOP had any public relations skills (which they woefully lack), they could make hay with this. You know the DEMs would use clips of this to their victorious advantage.

I mourn the terrible PR of the GOP.

24 posted on 10/07/2002 4:08:48 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: joyful1
You know, you NEVER have a positive comment about Republicans.
25 posted on 10/07/2002 4:15:52 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Rome2000
Thanks for the websites! I have bookmarked this page for further use.

My congressman, John Olver, has just recieved an email from me.

These socialist swine must be thrown out!

26 posted on 10/07/2002 4:39:40 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: Patriot62
especially when he accused the President of using the 09/11 Terrorist attacks for his own political benefit.

McTraitor no doubt believes that the U.S. deserved the 9/11 attacks because we haven't established prescription drug benefits for pets.

Salute for standing up for truth and America there on the left coast!

27 posted on 10/07/2002 6:35:08 AM PDT by BillF
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To: recalcitrant
Thanks for the clarification. I must have read your post wrongly. I was understanding that you were advocating the use of deadly force for any and all protests. Kent State was a tragedy caused by the overreaction of the government forces. There was not a riot there until the NG created one. The same for the 68 Dem convention in Chicago.

My apologies for the misunderstanding.
28 posted on 10/07/2002 7:43:12 AM PDT by Arkansawyer
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To: Arkansawyer
That's not what he's saying.
29 posted on 10/07/2002 8:26:04 AM PDT by doberville
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Re: Did you tape his talk?

E-mail he taped Mcdermott's entire report and the Q & A afterwards. Warning: Must be watched with a barf bag on hand.
30 posted on 10/07/2002 10:01:20 AM PDT by Patriot62
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To: Rome2000
Thanks for the list. Isn't it amazing how many of those on the list are well known and regulars on the talking head shows and other political shows? McDermott is to the left of Bernie Sanders, an avowed socialist. But he will get at least 70 percent of the vote in one of the safest districts for Dems.
31 posted on 10/07/2002 12:02:37 PM PDT by Grampa7030
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To: BulletBrasDotNet; RIGHT IN SEATTLE
And the East coast is a bastion of conservatism?!!?

Blasting the whole left coast for the comments and actions of the liberal downtown urban elite is ridiculous. I live a scant 20 miles from Baghdad Jim's district in downtown Seattle and my area is rural and fairly conservative. I'm represented by Jennifer Dunn.

Be careful how broadly you paint with that brush......

32 posted on 10/07/2002 12:17:29 PM PDT by SW6906
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To: Patriot62
Thank you for making a difference.
33 posted on 10/07/2002 12:19:41 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: Patriot62
Re: Did you tape his talk? I gave the wrong e-mail address it is ...

E-mail he taped Mcdermott's entire report and the Q & A afterwards. Warning: Must be watched with a barf bag on hand.
34 posted on 10/07/2002 3:20:30 PM PDT by Patriot62
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To: Patriot62
McDermott for Congress Web Site
35 posted on 10/07/2002 3:38:12 PM PDT by admiralsn
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To: Patriot62
B C Keller ought to get copies to O'Reilly and Sean Hannity at Fox News. They'd have a field day with it.

Does he have a transcript posted somewhere?

36 posted on 10/08/2002 2:17:09 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt
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To: Patriot62
Hidden camera shot of David Boner preparing for his audience with Sodamn Insane. Speculation is that he is looking for colleague McDimwit in the most likely location.

37 posted on 10/08/2002 2:25:04 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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