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58 Socialists are in the United States Congress (Updated)
FOR FREEDOM & JUSTICE GROUP ^ | Ocbober 7, 2002 | Chuck Morse

Posted on 10/07/2002 7:26:32 PM PDT by CHACHI

58 Socialists are in the United States Congress Progressive Caucus of the U.S. House of Representatives

The Republic honors the right to free speech, expression, and association. These rights, the hallmark of a free society, are protected through time honored Constitutional guarantees. An American citizen is free, for example, to be a Socialist, a Communist, a Nazi, a member of the KKK, or a member of any group, as long as he obeys the law and doesn't act in a manner that would threaten the freedom, safety, and liberty of his fellow citizens. This principle is the foundation as well as the price of freedom.

Congressmen, however, swear on a Bible to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. They are elected and compensated to fulfill that sacred oath both in letter and in spirit. Affiliation, therefore, with an organization that advocates a political system that blatantly contradicts the Constitution, while not illegal per se, has the effect of eroding faith and trust in our government, society, and the rule of law. A Congressmen who affiliates with an International Socialist organization is really no different, in this regard, than a Congressmen who, theoretically, would join an organization that advocates a Monarchy, or a government based on laws of racial supremacy. The Democratic Socialists of America, the organization in question, advocates an authoritarian political system that is antithetical to American Constitutional principals. This poses a major contradiction for an elected Congressmen who also happens to be a member of such an organization.

There are, presently, 58 Congressmen who are members of the Democratic Socialists of America which bills itself as the largest organization in America to be affiliated with the Socialist International. These Congressmen represent the extreme political left of the Democratic Party. This is, lets be clear, not comparable to participation in the old left, Stalinist apparatus which, during the Franklin D. Roosevelt Administration in the 1930's and 1940's, set up secret Communist cells who were spying for the Kremlin. A Congressman who is a member of an organization like the DSA has, again, done nothing illegal per se. However, he nonetheless signs onto, witting or otherwise, a political philosophy and methodology that is un-Constitutional and, therefore, un-American. While the purpose of this article is not to impugn the patriotism of these Congressmen, and while they, no doubt, sincerely believe that their international authoritarian faith is pro-American, they, nonetheless, should be identified and their record and actions studied and scrutinized. Following is a list of Congressmen who are presently members of the Democratic Socialists of America:

DSA – LIST OF 58 SOCIALISTS IN U.S. CONGRESS

(Rep. Bernard Sanders-VT- Chair) bsanders@hr.house.gov ; bsanders@igc.apc.org (Rep. Peter DeFazio-OR- Co-Chair) pdefazio@hr.house.gov ; (Rep. Maurice Hinchey-NY-Co-Chair) hinchey@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Major Owens-NY.Co-Chair) Major.Owens@Mail.House.Gov ; (Rep. Lane Evans-IL) lane.evans@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Eni Faleomavaega-AL) faleomavaega@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Ed Pastor-AZ) edpastor@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Lynn C. Woolsey-CA) woolsey@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. George Miller-CA) George.Miller-Pub@mail.house.gov; (Rep. Nancy Pelosi-CA) sf.nancy@hr.house.gov ; (Rep. Fortney "Pete" Stark-CA) petemail@hr.house.gov ; (Rep. Diane DeGette-CO) degette@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Carrie P. Meek-FL) cpm@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Alcee L. Hastings-FL) hastings@hr.house.gov ; (Rep. Elizabeth Furse-OR) furseorl@hr.house.gov (Rep. Esteban Edward Torres-CA) arcoiris@hr.house.gov (Rep. George E. Brown-CA) talk2geb@hr.house.gov (Rep. John Conyers-MI) jconyers@hr.house.gov ; (Rep. Bennie G. Thompson-MS) Thompsonms2nd@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Melvin L. Watt-NC) melmail@hr.house.gov ; (Rep. Donald Payne-NJ) donald.payne@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Jerrold Nadler-NY) nadler@hr.house.gov ; (Rep. Jose E. Serrano-NY) jserrano@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. John Lewis-GA) john.lewis@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Neil Abercrombie-HI) neil.abercrombie@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Luis Gutierrez-IL) luisg@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Julia Carson-IN) Rep.Carson@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. John Olver-MA) john.olver@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Jim McGovern-MA) james.mcgovern@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. David Bonior-MI) david.bonior@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Marcy Kaptur-OH) Rep.Kaptur@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Stephanie-Tubbs-Jones-OH) donald.payne@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Sherrod Brown-OH) Sherrod@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Robert C. Scott-VA) bvassar@mail.house.gov ; (Rep. Jose E. Serrano-NY) jserrano@mailhouse.gov; (Stephanie Tubos-Jones-OH) donaldpayne@mail.house.gov.

(Rep. Barney Frank-MA) http://www.house.gov/frank/ (Rep. John Tierney-MA) http://www.house.gov/tierney/ (Rep. Charles Rangel-NY) http://www.house.gov/rangel/ (Rep. Bob Filner-CA) http://www.house.gov/filner/ (Rep. Chaka Fattah-PA) http://www.house.gov/fattah/ (Rep. William Coyne-PA) http://www.house.gov/coyne/ (Rep. Corrine Brown-FL) http://www.house.gov/corrinebrown/ (Rep. Danny Davis-IL) http://www.house.gov/davis/ (Rep. Dennis Kucinich-OH) http://www.house.gov/kucinich/flash1.htm (Rep. James A. McDermott-WA). http://www.house.gov/mcdermott/ (Rep. John LaFalce-NY) http://www.house.gov/lafalce/ (Rep. Nydia M. Velazquez-NY) http://www.house.gov/velazquez/ (Rep. Maxine Waters-CA) http://www.house.gov/waters/ (Rep. Henry A. Waxman-CA) http://www.house.gov/waxman/ (Rep. Xavier Becerra-CA) http://www.house.gov/becerra/ (Rep. Carlos A. Romero-Barcelo-PR) http://www.house.gov/romero-barcelo/ (Rep. Cynthia A. McKinney-GA) Fax: 202-226-0691 (Rep. Earl Hilliard-AS-AL) Fax: 202-226-0772 (Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton-DC) Fax: 202-225-3002 (Rep. Jesse Jackson-IL) Fax: 202-225-0899 (Rep. Julian C. Dixon-CA) Fax: 202-225-4091 (Rep. Louis Stokes-OH) Fax: 202-225-1339 (Rep. Patsy Mink-HI) Fax: 202-225-4987

The DSA website contains the same old Marxist jargon of yesteryear. It states as a basic principal, "We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane international social order". This is nothing more than a transparent euphemism for world government. This is re-enforced by links, on their website, to such world government advocacy groups as the World Federalist Association. They call for "democratic planning" and "market mechanisms" to achieve an "equitable distribution of resources". This so-called "democratic" planning, with the elastic euphemism "democratic" laced thorough their literature, and the "distribution of resources" is, of course, a euphemistic way of advocating total, authoritarian government with absolute control over property and the "mode of production". The DSA favors the gradual, Fabian approach to world socialism as opposed to their Leninist-Communist counterparts who call for outright violent Revolution as a means of conquering the world. The Fabian Socialists of the DSA plan on world conquest through legislation. This is why an extremely jaundiced eye should apply to DSA Congressmen. Last I checked, none of these powers are granted by our Constitution, the same Constitution that these Congressmen pledged to uphold with their sacred honor.

In fact, the DSA stands for nothing more than re-hashed Communism. This same Communism was responsible, according to the recently published "Black Book of Communism", for the murder of over 100 million souls worldwide. In the name of "the people" these evil totalitarian ideas, when enthroned, have caused more poverty, misery, hate, and death than any known in the history of man. We should watch the actions of these 54 Socialist Congressmen if we value freedom. We should examine each one of them and publish their voting record and rhetoric for all to see.

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: communism; socialism; treason; unamerican; unconstitutional
RCB COMMENTS: We, the people are responsible for these thugs to be in a position of power. We sent them to Congress to represent our best interests, not to sell out America. Let us write to each contact you have in their districts and let their community know what kind of lackeys they are. Make sure it is a solid and unrelenting campaign to weed out these phonies. INTEGRITY & IMPECCABLE BACKGROUND FOR ANYONE SEEKING OFFICE IN UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. We must raise the standards for government officials. If they are affiliated with these type or similar organizations, they must not be allowed to seek office. If they had runnings with the law, they must not be allowed to seek office. We do not want communism in America, and we do not want criminals in Washington D.C. representing a majority of decent law-abiding people. Let your Senators and Representatives know. Let us all work together.
1 posted on 10/07/2002 7:26:32 PM PDT by CHACHI
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2 posted on 10/07/2002 7:30:38 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: CHACHI; Yellow Rose of Texas
Thanks for the updated list.

Rosie for the record.
3 posted on 10/07/2002 7:32:06 PM PDT by amom
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4 posted on 10/07/2002 7:33:55 PM PDT by Vidalia
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5 posted on 10/07/2002 7:34:10 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: CHACHI
Following is a list of Congressmen who are presently members of the Democratic Socialists of America:

This comes up here frequently but I have yet to see anyone post a link that names them as DSA members.

6 posted on 10/07/2002 7:35:03 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: CHACHI
A Congressmen who affiliates with an International Socialist organization is really no different, in this regard, than a Congressmen who, theoretically, would join an organization that advocates a Monarchy, or a government based on laws of racial supremacy.

What do these things have to do with Socialism? I thought Socialism was some sort of failed economic system.

7 posted on 10/07/2002 7:49:37 PM PDT by keepvotin
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To: cinFLA
I always mess up the href thingy, but here is a link:

http://www.dsausa.org/about/org.html

Just scroll down to and click on Congressional Progressive Caucus. There you will find their statement and members.

8 posted on 10/07/2002 7:51:07 PM PDT by Exit148
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To: Exit148
Just scroll down to and click on Congressional Progressive Caucus. There you will find their statement and members.

This lists the members of the congressional progressive caucus. It does NOT say they are members of the DSA. The DSA says they are working with the members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

9 posted on 10/07/2002 7:54:06 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Exit148
I always mess up the href thingy, but here is a link:

If you don't use html it will automatically format the link. Use double-returns to get new paragraphs. See bottom of posting page.

10 posted on 10/07/2002 7:59:21 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
This lists the members of the congressional progressive caucus. It does NOT say they are members of the DSA.

Correct. But "progressive" is a code word for socialist. Why do you think the link is there? The congress critters aren't stupid enough (most of them) to come out and say "Yes, my fellow Americans, I am a Socialist.". They instead say they are Progressive. But look at what they support. Same thing. And it is not just the DSA that links them. I did some research a while back on the links, here it is:

I went to the "Socialist International" web site here: socialistinternational
I clicked on the English language link. I then clicked on the "Members" tab on top of the page. I then clicked on the "List member parties in North America" link here: socialistinternationalnorthamerica
So, what did I find?

(1) The Democratic Socialists of America, DSA - where on their site they listed 58 current US congressional representatives as members.
(2) Social Democrats USA, SDUSA here: SDUSA
Right on the home page of that site it says, and I quote: "SD, USA is the successor to the Socialist Party, USA, the party of Eugene Debs, Norman Thomas and Bayard Rustin and is a member of the Socialist International" And right on that home page is a link titled: "New Democrats Online: The Democratic Leadership Council's (DLC) Online Community." So I follow that link here: DLC
And on that same site is this link: ND

These are the "New Democrat" House members - apparently that is code for "Socialist" but they don't want to be called that, so here is the list:

Tom Allen, U.S. Representative, ME Brian Baird, U.S. Representative, WA James Barcia, U.S. Representative, MI Ken Bentsen, U.S. Representative, TX Shelley Berkley, U.S. Representative, NV Marion Berry, U.S. Representative, AR Earl Blumenauer, U.S. Representative, OR Lois Capps, U.S. Representative, CA Brad Carson, U.S. Representative, OK Bob Clement, U.S. Representative, TN Bud Cramer, U.S. Representative, AL Joseph Crowley, U.S. Representative, NY Jim Davis, U.S. Representative, FL Susan Davis, U.S. Representative, CA Peter Deutsch, U.S. Representative, FL Cal Dooley, U.S. Representative, CA Anna Eshoo, U.S. Representative, CA Bob Etheridge, U.S. Representative, NC Harold Ford, Jr. , U.S. Representative, TN Charles Gonzalez, U.S. Representative, TX Jane Harman, U.S. Representative, CA Baron Hill, U.S. Representative, IN Ruben Hinojosa, U.S. Representative, TX Joseph Hoeffel, U.S. Representative, PA Rush Holt, U.S. Representative, NJ Mike Honda, U.S. Representative, CA Darlene Hooley, U.S. Representative, OR Jay Inslee, U.S. Representative, WA Steve Israel, U.S. Representative, NY Chris John, U.S. Representative, LA Ron Kind, U.S. Representative, WI John LaFalce, U.S. Representative, NY Nick Lampson, U.S. Representative, TX Jim Langevin, U.S. Representative, RI Rick Larsen, U.S. Representative, WA John Larson, U.S. Representative, CT Zoe Lofgren, U. S. Representative, CA Ken Lucas, U.S. Representative, KY Bill Luther, U.S. Representative, MN Carolyn Maloney, U.S. Representative, NY Jim Maloney, U.S. Representative, CT Jim Matheson, U.S. Representative, UT Bob Matsui, U.S. Representative, CA Carolyn McCarthy, U.S. Representative, NY Karen McCarthy, U.S. Representative, MO Mike McIntyre, U.S. Representative, NC Gregory Meeks, U.S. Representative, NY Juanita Millender-McDonald, U.S. Representative, CA Dennis Moore, U.S. Representative, KS Jim Moran, U.S. Representative, VA Grace Napolitano, U.S. Representative, CA David Phelps, U.S. Representative, IL David Price, U.S. Representative, NC Silvestre Reyes, U.S. Representative, TX Tim Roemer, U.S. Representative, IN Mike Ross, U.S. Representative, AR Steve Rothman, U.S. Representative, NJ Loretta Sanchez, U.S. Representative, CA Max Sandlin, U.S. Representative, TX Adam B. Schiff, U.S. Representative, CA Brad Sherman, U.S. Representative, CA Ronnie Shows, U.S. Representative, MS Adam Smith, U.S. Representative, WA Vic Snyder, U.S. Representative, AR John Spratt, U.S. Representative, SC Charles Stenholm, U.S. Representative, TX Bart Stupak, U.S. Representative, MI John Tanner, U.S. Representative, TN Ellen Tauscher, U.S. Representative, CA Mike Thompson, U.S. Representative, CA Jim Turner, U.S. Representative, TX Tom Udall, U.S. Representative, NM Robert Wexler, U.S. Representative, FL David Wu, U.S. Representative, OR

And thats it. Interesting - From the Socialist International, to the SDUSA, to the DLC. All I can say is, Wow.

11 posted on 10/07/2002 8:28:21 PM PDT by dark_lord
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To: cinFLA
This comes up here frequently but I have yet to see anyone post a link that names them as DSA members.

The Progressive Caucus was started by Bernie Sanders (Independent-VT), the outwardly avowed socialist U.S. Congressman, in association with the DSA.

Here it is...
Progressive Caucus: Members of the Caucas - http://bernie.house.gov/pc/members.asp


officers
Member/Position/District
Address Phone Website
Peter DeFazio
(OFFICER, OREGON-04)
2134 RHOB 225-6416 WEBSITE
Dennis Kucinich (Chairman)
(CHAIR, OHIO-10)
1730 LHOB 225-5871 WEBSITE
Barbara Lee (Vice Chair)
(OFFICER, CALIFORNIA-09)
426 CHOB 225-2661 WEBSITE
Cynthia McKinney
(OFFICER, GEORGIA-04)
124 CHOB 225-1605 WEBSITE
Major Owens
(OFFICER, NEW YORK-11)
2309 RHOB 225-6231 WEBSITE
Bernie Sanders
(OFFICER, VERMONT)
2135 RHOB 225-4115 WEBSITE
Paul Wellstone
(OFFICER, MINNESOTA)
136 HSOB 224-5641 WEBSITE

members
Member/Position/District
Address Phone Website
Neil Abercrombie
(MEMBER, HAWAII-01)
1502 LHOB 225-2726 WEBSITE
Tammy Baldwin
(MEMBER, WISCONSIN-02)
1022 LHOB 225-2906 WEBSITE
Xavier Becerra
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-30)
1119 LHOB 225-6235 WEBSITE
David Bonior
(MEMBER, MICHIGAN-10)
2207 RHOB 225-2106 WEBSITE
Corrine Brown
(MEMBER, FLORIDA-03)
2444 RHOB 225-0123 WEBSITE
Sherrod Brown
(MEMBER, OHIO-13)
2438 RHOB 225-3401 WEBSITE
Michael Capuano
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-08)
1232 LHOB 225-5111 WEBSITE
Julia Carson
(MEMBER, INDIANA-10)
1339 LHOB 225-4011 WEBSITE
William "Lacy" Clay
(MEMBER, MISSOURI-01)
415 CHOB 225-2406 WEBSITE
John Conyers
(MEMBER, MICHIGAN-14)
2426 RHOB 225-5126 WEBSITE
Danny Davis
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-07)
1222 LHOB 225-5006 WEBSITE
Rosa DeLauro
(MEMBER, CONNECTICUT-03)
2262 RHOB 225-3661 WEBSITE
Lane Evans
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-17)
2211 RHOB 225-5905 WEBSITE
Eni Faleomavaega
(MEMBER, AMERICAN SAMOA)
2422 RHOB 225-8577 WEBSITE
Sam Farr
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-17)
1221 LHOB 225-2861 WEBSITE
Chaka Fattah
(MEMBER, PENNSYLVANIA-02)
1205 LHOB 225-4001 WEBSITE
Bob Filner
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-50)
2463 RHOB 225-8045 WEBSITE
Barney Frank
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-04)
2252 RHOB 225-5931 WEBSITE
Luis Gutierrez
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-04)
2452 RHOB 225-8203 WEBSITE
Earl Hilliard
(MEMBER, ALABAMA-07)
1314 LHOB 225-2665 WEBSITE
Maurice Hinchey
(MEMBER, NEW YORK-26)
2431 RHOB 225-6335 WEBSITE
Jesse Jackson, Jr
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-02)
313 CHOB 225-0773
Sheila Jackson-Lee
(MEMBER, TEXAS-18)
403 CHOB 225-3816 WEBSITE
Stephanie Tubbs Jones
(MEMBER, OHIO-11)
1516 LHOB 225-7032 WEBSITE
Marcy Kaptur
(MEMBER, OHIO-09)
2366 RHOB 225-4146 WEBSITE
Tom Lantos
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-12)
2217 RHOB 225-3531 WEBSITE
John Lewis
(MEMBER, GEORGIA-05)
343 CHOB 225-3801 WEBSITE
Jim McDermott
(MEMBER, WASHINGTON-07)
1035 LHOB 225-3106 WEBSITE
James P. McGovern
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-03)
430 CHOB 225-6101 WEBSITE
Carrie Meek
(MEMBER, FLORIDA-17)
2433 RHOB 225-4506 WEBSITE
George Miller
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-07)
2205 RHOB 225-2095 WEBSITE
Patsy Mink
(MEMBER, HAWAII-02)
2210 RHOB 225-4906 WEBSITE
Jerry Nadler
(MEMBER, NEW YORK-08)
2334 RHOB 225-5635 WEBSITE
Eleanor Holmes Norton
(MEMBER, D.C.)
2136 RHOB 225-8050 WEBSITE
John Olver
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-01)
1027 LHOB 225-5335 WEBSITE
Ed Pastor
(MEMBER, ARIZONA-02)
2465 RHOB 225-4065 WEBSITE
Donald Payne
(MEMBER, NEW JERSEY-10)
2209 RHOB 225-3436 WEBSITE
Nancy Pelosi
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-08)
2457 RHOB 225-4965 WEBSITE
Bobby Rush
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-01)
2416 RHOB 225-4372 WEBSITE
Jan Schakowsky
(MEMBER, ILLINOIS-09)
515 CHOB 225-2111 WEBSITE
Jose Serrano
(MEMBER, NEW YORK-16)
2342 RHOB 225-4361 WEBSITE
Hilda Solis
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-31)
1641 LHOB 225-5464 WEBSITE
Pete Stark
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-13)
239 CHOB 225-5065 WEBSITE
Bennie Thompson
(MEMBER, MISSISSIPPI-02)
2432 RHOB 225-5876 WEBSITE
John Tierney
(MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-06)
120 CHOB 225-8020 WEBSITE
Tom Udall
(MEMBER, NEW MEXICO-03)
502 CHOB 225-6190 WEBSITE
Nydia Velazquez
(MEMBER, NEW YORK-12)
2241 RHOB 225-2361 WEBSITE
Maxine Waters
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-35)
2344 RHOB 225-2201 WEBSITE
Diane Watson
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-32)
2413 RHOB 225-7084 WEBSITE
Mel Watt
(MEMBER, NORTH CAROLINA-12)
2236 RHOB 225-1510 WEBSITE
Henry Waxman
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-29)
2204 RHOB 225-3976 WEBSITE
Lynn Woolsey
(MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-06)
2263 RHOB 225-5161 WEBSITE


Congressional Progressive Caucus

Oh, and here's a link to the list on the DSA's own website: http://www.dsausa.org/pc/pc.members.html

Gotta love Google...

12 posted on 10/07/2002 8:38:29 PM PDT by SunStar
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To: SunStar
You are a day late. We all know where the DSA site is. What I am looking for is something to substantiate the claim that the CPC members are ALSO DSA members. NOTHING on the DSA site makes that claim.
13 posted on 10/07/2002 9:46:01 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: dark_lord
Correct. But "progressive" is a code word for socialist.

The problem is that if we claim they are members of the DSA on this board, we lose credibility. There is NOTHING on the DSA site that claims the CPC (however socialist it is in intent) is part of the DSA organization.

14 posted on 10/07/2002 9:49:10 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
cinfla: This comes up here frequently but I have yet to see anyone post a link that names them as DSA members.

Then when provided several links, you retort: We all know where the DSA site is. What I am looking for is something to substantiate the claim that the CPC members are ALSO DSA members. NOTHING on the DSA site makes that claim.

You must be one of those Dade county (cin)FLA voters still having a trouble connecting the dots? Or are you just a socialist incognito?

15 posted on 10/07/2002 9:57:08 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner
You must be one of those Dade county (cin)FLA voters still having a trouble connecting the dots? Or are you just a socialist incognito?

I always get some idiot that starts name-calling; the typical LIBERAL/SOCIALIST answer to the argument. I can connect the dots! But you apparently cannot connect the dots on my position! We all should be honest and print only the facts. I have no argument with the claim that they are socialists but what good is FALSE INFORMATION. Printing that the are members of the DSA has no basis. If you were to give me that basis, I would use that ammo everyday to out them to the public. Now get back to your mama and let her put you to bed.

16 posted on 10/07/2002 10:03:28 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
And lo and behold - guess what link has now been deleted from the SD, USA site? Yep - the one titled: "New Democrats Online: The Democratic Leadership Council's (DLC) Online Community."

Gee - guess someone told them that FReepers had made the connection.

17 posted on 10/07/2002 10:11:10 PM PDT by dark_lord
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To: CHACHI
As if there membership wasn't creepy enough, look at this logo from the Progressive Caucus-- the dead hands of Socialism smothering the globe:
18 posted on 10/07/2002 10:12:19 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: CHACHI
As if their membership wasn't creepy enough, look at this logo from the Progressive Caucus-- the Dead Hands of Socialism smothering the globe:
19 posted on 10/07/2002 10:13:35 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: cinFLA
((((((batting head in self-exasperation!!!)))))

Of course!! I had read that information, and promptly forgot it!! Thanks for the reminder. I'm indebted to you!
20 posted on 10/08/2002 6:53:49 AM PDT by Exit148
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To: cinFLA
It's not written in stone that they are. However, I don't need to look up a bulls ass to see what a steak looks like.


21 posted on 10/08/2002 7:00:06 AM PDT by unixfox
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To: CHACHI
Many years ago I had a Life magazine which had on the cover the pictures of 100 Communists in America. A great many of them were in Congress, and even more were prominent in the entertainment industry.

I think one of my Nephews took it home with him and never brought it back.

For some reason the only name I can remember was Leonard Bernstein who is still prominently displayed on TV. I always wondered how prominent a Nazi would be shown on current TV.

22 posted on 10/08/2002 7:12:55 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: unixfox
It's not written in stone that they are. However, I don't need to look up a bulls ass to see what a steak looks like.

And we shouldn't print that they are (members)unless it is written in stone.

23 posted on 10/08/2002 8:39:35 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Tailgunner Joe
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24 posted on 10/08/2002 11:07:57 AM PDT by weikel
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To: cinFLA
Rep. Bernie Sanders puts it in stone for cinFLA The list presented is valid.
25 posted on 10/08/2002 11:28:47 AM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner
Bernie Sanders as a socialist is old news. You are a day late. BUT that still does not mean the CPC members are members of the DSA!
26 posted on 10/08/2002 11:35:40 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Bernie Sanders as a socialist is old news. You are a day late. BUT that still does not mean the CPC members are members of the DSA!

Fine, before we proceed further since I don't want to bore you with "old news," please go ahead and list all those on the list provided that you already know to be socialists. Then we can deal with those on the list which for whatever reason you believe may not be socialists nor members of the DSA. Fair enough?

Better yet, which one/s on the list in particular are you in doubt of?

27 posted on 10/08/2002 4:16:14 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner
Better yet, which one/s on the list in particular are you in doubt of?

Just show me where it is stated that any of them are members of the DSA. If you can, I will go away happy. Till then you should not threaten the credibility by posting that they are members of the DSA.

28 posted on 10/08/2002 4:26:35 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
You could begin connecting the dots with the link below. Then, you could contact Joseph Farah of WND who was one of the first to expose the link between the Progressive Caucus and the DSA. There was a time the DSA proudly boasted their membership on their website. That page has been removed. I wonder why? But of more concern to me is why you are here defending these avowed socialist who have been exposed for who they are? DSA
29 posted on 10/08/2002 5:01:45 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: All
DSA recognizes that some insurgent politicians representing labor, environmentalists, gays and lesbians, and communities of color may choose to run under Democratic auspices, as in the 1988 Jesse Jackson campaign, or operate as Democrats like Senator Paul Wellstone, and the 59 Democratic members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, one-half of whom are Black and Latino and all of whom possess strong labor backing and operative social democratic politics.

Electoral tactics are only a means for DSA; the building of a powerful anti-corporate and ultimately socialist movement is the end. Where third party or non-partisan candidates represent significant social movements DSA locals have and will continue to build such organizations and support such candidates. DSA honored independent socialist Congressperson Bernie Sanders of Vermont at our last convention banquet, and we have always raised significant funds nationally for his electoral campaigns. At the same time, we were pleased to have Democratic Congressperson and Progressive Caucus member Bob Filner of San Diego introduce Sanders at the convention, and note that Progressive Caucus member Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) will be honored at our annual Debs-Thomas-Harrington dinner this Spring in Chicago.

DSA is a modest, sometimes effective organization, whose members have greatest influence in community-level electoral politics. DSA is not an electoral organization, but rather a democratic socialist political organization which aims to bring socialism into the mainstream of American politics. We endeavor to do so through a two-pronged strategy of education and organizing. Much of our work is cultural and ideological: forums, debates, publications. But our voice can only be heard if we simultaneously play a central, activist role within struggles relevant to working people, communities of color, women, gays and lesbians and other oppressed constituencies. We operate within progressive coalitions as an open socialist presence and bring to these movements an analysis and strategy which recognizes the fundamental need to democratize global corporate power. We do not see ourselves as a vanguard speaking for the masses nor do we romantically believe that a small socialist organization can unilaterally transform the U.S. electoral map.

from dsausa.org

30 posted on 10/08/2002 5:13:54 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner
But of more concern to me is why you are here defending these avowed socialist who have been exposed for who they are?

Perhaps your reading comprehension skills are lacking. I never defended them. All I am asking for is PROOF they are members of the DSA as was posted.

31 posted on 10/08/2002 7:04:52 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
All I am asking for is PROOF they are members of the DSA as was posted.

Is not your goal to disprove the allegation? Then prove the charge wrong. Prove that none of them are members as is alleged. This is not a court of law. Bring on your evidence that they are not members.

32 posted on 10/08/2002 10:57:45 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: cinFLA
Perhaps your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

Even with all the links you have been provided you are still unable to connect the dots. That's quiet an extrodinary feat for even the simplest of simpletons.

33 posted on 10/08/2002 11:43:45 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner
Is not your goal to disprove the allegation? Then prove the charge wrong. Prove that none of them are members as is alleged. This is not a court of law. Bring on your evidence that they are not members.

Can't you READ! I make no claims. I only ask for the author of the claim to provide a basis for his claim. Do you NOT want the truth?

34 posted on 10/09/2002 6:26:38 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: takenoprisoner
Even with all the links you have been provided you are still unable to connect the dots. That's quiet an extrodinary feat for even the simplest of simpletons.

You are the simpleton if you do not understand the difference between connecting dots and jumping to conclusions.

35 posted on 10/09/2002 6:30:11 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: CHACHI
                  SENATOR ISELIN
                There are exactly... fifty-seven 
                card-carrying members of the 
                Communist party in the Department 
                of Defense at this time!


36 posted on 10/09/2002 6:33:58 AM PDT by Consort
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To: cinFLA
Do you NOT want the truth?

I already know the truth. Question is do you want to know the truth? Truth is, the Progressive Caucus, and the Progressive Challenge Institute for Policy Study are branches of the DSA. So read on if you want to know the truth. The following is a report from the DSA-Chicago

Progressive Challenge Exceeds the Beltway, But Can It Reach Escape Velocity?
by Bob Roman

On the evening of Monday, April 21, the Progressive Challenge came to Chicago. Starting off with a town hall style meeting that brought together about 150 people in the UNITE hall at 333 S. Ashland in Chicago, the meeting was structured to present testimony from representative of various local organizations to local Congressional members of the Progressive Caucus.

DSA was particularly well represented by the testimony of the Youth Section's International Secretary, Daraka Larimore-Hall. Daraka Larimore-Hall gave an impassioned, coherent presentation that linked the various aspects of DSA's agenda with the project at hand. He also pointed out that the attitude on campus is not so much conservative or apathetic as practical. Ideology is not enough if it is not accompanied by useful politics.

Congressmen Jesse Jackson, Jr., Luis Gutierrez and Danny Davis attended the meeting, though only Representative Jackson was there for the entire program.

This initial outreach / organizing meeting of the Progressive Challenge in Chicago was organized and hosted by Chicago Jobs with Justice Committee for New Priorities as one of their monthly forums.

The Progressive Challenge is an effort to link the Congressional Progressive Caucus with the larger left grass roots network of single issue, constituent, labor and ideological organizations. The Institute for Policy Studies is very much the keystone organization of this project, which has brought together some 40 organizations including DSA, Americans for Democratic Action, United Electrical Workers, NETWORK, National Jobs for All Coalition to name a few. No one of these groups is a major player inside the Beltway, but together they have captured the attention of the Progressive Caucus and contributed to its growth.

The Progressive Challenge began with a conference on Capitol Hill in January of 1997. The conference was followed by a year of public briefings, working groups and brain-storming which resulted in the Fairness Agenda (see side-bar). The Fairness Agenda was unveiled at a Progressive Caucus State of the Union on January 27 of this year.

What brings the Fairness Agenda one step beyond political rhetoric is that each of the eight points have been accompanied by one or more pieces of legislation introduced by members of the Progressive Caucus.

But the Progressive Challenge is still very much a creature of the Beltway. If it is to be significantly useful to the participating groups and to the Progressive Caucus, if it is to make a difference in politics and in life, it must expand beyond this central if narrow venue. This is the central purpose of this meeting in Chicago in addition to other meeting planned or being planned in Atlanta, the Bay Area, Detroit, New York, New England, New Orleans. Meetings have already been held in Sand Diego, Maine and Boston. The DSA Youth Section is exploring the possibilities of a Youth Progressive Challenge with the Center for Campus Organizing, U.S. Student Association and Student Environmental Action Coalition.

In a very real way, the Progressive Challenge and the Fairness Agenda is the first fruit of the 1997 DSA National Convention. The focus of conversation and debate at the Convention was building a broader left. The Convention Resolution on Building a Broader Left called for a discussion among the democratic left on means for strengthening the progressive community, and it explicitly endorsed the Progressive Challenge as a venue for such a discussion, stating: "The Progressive Challenge represents a key center for this discussion in the context of its economic justice and equity agenda."

While the Progressive Challenge has made a brave and hopeful beginning in Chicago and elsewhere outside the Beltway, it may be too early in the season for it to prosper immediately. In Chicago, at least, the Progressive Challenge lacks an institutional base and resources. It resembles the early days of Jobs with Justice in Chicago, before the local union movement made the commitment to provide the resources for office and staff. This is not so much a comment on the project's prospects as a comment on just how far its organizers have to go.

connecting the dots: we provide the links, you decide for yourself if they are connected

If none of this helps you connect the dots once and for all, then you are indeed either a socialist here to deny and distract, or a stupidly stubborn flake beyond reach. One or the other is true.

37 posted on 10/09/2002 8:39:20 AM PDT by takenoprisoner
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