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Maryland Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary
Fox, CNN, Press Conferences | October 9, 2002 | Fox, CNN, Press Conferences

Posted on 10/09/2002 3:14:53 AM PDT by Peach

Another press conference due soon. To avoid multiple vanity threads regarding any news that comes from press conferences, thought we'd keep a live commentary thread going again today.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; maryland; sniper; terrorism
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There are a few articles about news from late last night, most notably, the President's Secret Service agents have joined the hunt for the sniper and a Tarot Card from the sniper was found at the same scene as the bullet casing from the school shooting.
1 posted on 10/09/2002 3:14:53 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
The Tarot card said "Dear Policeman, I am GOD". That leads me to believe that he is a home grown nutjob who has been watching an awful lot of serial killer movies. It reminds me of Son of Sam and Zodiac killers of New York they both left notes to policemen.
2 posted on 10/09/2002 3:18:44 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: Peach
After the Tarot Card taunting, I now think the sniper is a fairly young man (late teens, early 20s), loner, likely indulged by parents, who are probably both neglectful and uninterested government workers. He is not unlike the Columbine shooters.
3 posted on 10/09/2002 3:22:01 AM PDT by Types_with_Fist
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To: areafiftyone
bump
4 posted on 10/09/2002 3:22:44 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: areafiftyone
Yes, since hearing this morning about the Tarot card, I'm starting to change my mind as well. I do wonder why the police didn't release this at the same time as they released info about the bullet casing. There is a large Irish Traveler group living in Augusta, GA, 20 minutes from my home, and they are sometimes mistaken for being Hispanic. I mention this because rumor has it police are looking at Hispanic-looking men driving white box vans particularly closely.
5 posted on 10/09/2002 3:36:09 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Meant to mention in my previous post, Irish Travelers often use Tarot cards.
6 posted on 10/09/2002 3:39:56 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Good morning Peach!!! ((((HUGS)))) for you today. Hope you are doing ok.


Thanks again for these posts.
7 posted on 10/09/2002 3:42:32 AM PDT by Neets
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To: Neets
Good morning, Neets. It's already a better day as the shock wears off. Thanks for your thoughts. Freepregards, Mary Beth
8 posted on 10/09/2002 3:45:45 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Yea... the Tarot card clue is a curveball.

I wouldn't rule out a female.

I once knew a crazy Italian girl who thought she was God and a Tarot reader.

The family had a big ranch house in the suburbs of CT and it was full of tacky statues.

She and another girl would pray to Odin in the winter.

Totally wigged-out!

9 posted on 10/09/2002 3:53:46 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: Peach
I do wonder why the police didn't release this at the same time as they released info about the bullet casing.

Maybe it took 'em time to think it up.

10 posted on 10/09/2002 3:54:05 AM PDT by Beenliedto
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To: areafiftyone
Profiler last night said something similar about "God" complex. That this guy had the finger of God complex in which he controls the fate of random individuals and can show mercy or death simply by squeezing the trigger.

He may be trying to make a design with like a pentagram or star. Or he may now go in the opposite direction and flip over to the other side of county now that everyone is looking for him on the south side. The police are going to need a lucky break to catch this puke. I'd suggest anti-sniper hunter killer types with binocs and rifles also in vans cruising the streets in malls or areas with long lines of sight. Parking lots.. open areas around parks and schools... long roads off of main thoroughfares with broad four lane traffic...I'm sure the cops are trying ... God help them..I really hope "Sniper Shi'itehead" starts to think he's invincible and screws the pooch.

He needs to resist arrest and die like a dog in the street. Or better yet have his head smashed in with a toilet seat by a trustee in security lockup after he gives his interviews to the cops.

11 posted on 10/09/2002 3:55:08 AM PDT by Dick Vomer
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To: Beenliedto
It has crossed my mind the police are releasing mis-information to force the sniper to release a statement, i.e., if Islamic terrorist, would resent perhaps reference to "I am God".
12 posted on 10/09/2002 3:58:32 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Good Morning America interview(I know, I hate ABC too but am surfing for news) - Chief Moose upset about Tarot card info release and will authorize an investigation to see who leaked info.
13 posted on 10/09/2002 4:09:29 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
While poking around a google search, I found this page where Carlos Hathcock (champion Marine sniper from Vietnam) talks about sniping
14 posted on 10/09/2002 4:10:35 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: areafiftyone
Hope someone asks, just to clarify, whether the card said God or Allah.
15 posted on 10/09/2002 4:11:02 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Peach
Is it too soon to rule out Miss Cleo?
16 posted on 10/09/2002 4:12:15 AM PDT by YourAdHere
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To: Dick Vomer
Oh he will resist and will go down in HIS blaze of Glory! He will not let himself be caught alive. This guy does not want to be caught right now. He is sickening and will be doing alot more taunting and killing before he goes down. This is just the beginning. He was quiet before now he will be taunting with words and I have a feeling he watches every police conference and laughs and laughs at them. They shouldn't give so many conferences unless they have something credible to say. This guy has a grudge against the cops. He trying to prove to them that he can outsmart them. He is looking for revenge - maybe for a relative that died in jail or is in jail or a previous arrest record he had. HE IS DEFINIATELY A PSYCHO and this tarot card just proved it. But I am only guessing. WEll I gotta go to work now hopefully I can rejoin this thread when I get there. Have a great day.
17 posted on 10/09/2002 4:16:34 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: SauronOfMordor
Bump for later read; took quick look and he sounds like a hero.
18 posted on 10/09/2002 4:16:38 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Please indulge me.....have all the shootings(except school) been from his vehicle?....why would he just now leave a tarot card!....I would think that he would have been leaving cards all along, taunting the LE.
19 posted on 10/09/2002 4:17:35 AM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: areafiftyone
Good - I hope he does keep taunting - it will make it easier to catch him.
20 posted on 10/09/2002 4:18:46 AM PDT by Peach
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To: mystery-ak
No indulgence necessary! It's hard to keep up with the real news and there has been so much mis-reporting it's difficult to sort fact from fiction. I THINK the police believe all the shootings have been from inside a vehicle, with the exception of the school shooting on Monday. Re your comment about leaving tarot cards all along, taunting LEO's - it does seem the sniper would have been leaving his "signature" in the form of a card all along and not sure what has motivated him to do so now.
21 posted on 10/09/2002 4:22:25 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Well, it's nearly 7:30 a.m. EST and we've yet to have a press conference. Have been hearing there would be a press conference "momentarily" since 5:45 a.m. EST.
22 posted on 10/09/2002 4:23:57 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
As of this AM the Tarot card has not been confirmed by the police. It is an unsubstaniated newspaper report so far. There have been way too many instances of misinformation getting accepted as fact before we have confirmation.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown
23 posted on 10/09/2002 4:25:08 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: harpseal
Moose ... "It's inappropriate for me to comment about the card. There has been no information authorized for release by me."
24 posted on 10/09/2002 4:28:33 AM PDT by illstillbe
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To: areafiftyone
My amateur theory: This indicates that the sniper (or one of them) is English-speaking. An examination of his handwriting might indicate more about his education, background, age, etc. He evidently doesn't have any spirituality; he's not only unafraid to describe himself as God but also unafraid to deface a tarot deck.

The tarot card might itself be a clue. If it's new, he may have bought the deck for the purpose of using a card to leave a message. There are at least a dozen different tarot decks on the market; the Waite design is sold everywhere, but some of the other decks are sold only in a few places.

I don't think there is a racial or other slant to his targets; he seems to shoot "targets of opportunity" as they appear out of doors (so far, he hasn't shot anyone inside a car or house). But, one odd thing, one victim in Maryland and the one in Virginia were each shot at shopping centers with a "Michael's" art supply store. Maybe that is pure coincidence.

25 posted on 10/09/2002 4:28:58 AM PDT by DonQ
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To: harpseal
Saw Chief Moose on GMA and he seemed upset that the info on the tarot card was released. Do wonder if the card actually read "I am Allah" and police are smart enough to pretend outrage at release, and at the same time taunt sniper to leave another message with more information.
26 posted on 10/09/2002 4:29:54 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
What is Chief Moose talking about? I don't get it, but haven't had second cup of tea yet and not fully awake.
27 posted on 10/09/2002 4:31:19 AM PDT by Peach
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To: harpseal
Chief MOOSE is extremely upset that this info was released.. Also upset that the "talking heads", former LE officials are out of line doing all their describing, etc.."May be fun to be on TV, but they do not live here...they are not briefed, they have an absolute EGO problem..I plead with them to STOP..

These are people who are out there out of jobs putting their faces on TV...this is an interference..

28 posted on 10/09/2002 4:31:55 AM PDT by Merovingian
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To: DonQ
The Chief is making a good point about all the "experts" on television ranting and raving and making statements about who the killer prpobably is, which is causing people not to call the tip line.

Says that these people are using this crime to get face time on TV and asking them to quit, and asks the media to quit using them. WOW! The Washington Post or Channel 9 is not going to solve this case, and if the people of the community want to have the media solve it, then they can take a vote and we will go do other police work.

29 posted on 10/09/2002 4:33:19 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Merovingian
Okay, he's ticked at the media (get in line). Wants people in his community to let him know if they want Channel 9 to work the case or police to work the case.
30 posted on 10/09/2002 4:34:00 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
it will make it easier to catch him.

Agreed. They need to stop talking about schools and set a trap- wag the dog style:
Chief MOOSE: But the citizens should not worry about the warehouse on x street. We have the warehouse on x street covered. We have air cover, k9 units, thermal sensors. It is perfectly safe. NO ONE can get through our perimeter to the warehouse on x street.
PRESS: Chief, chief- what's so special about the warehouse?
Chief MOOSE: The citizens should rest assured that we are doing everything possible to protect the warehouse....

31 posted on 10/09/2002 4:35:03 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: Miss Marple
I'm getting his point, and it's a good one, but naive if he thinks people in today's culture can resist the lure of the microphone. It's unfortunate and these people consume a lot of otherwise empty air time.
32 posted on 10/09/2002 4:35:52 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Miss Marple
I vote for Channel 9. The chief is arrogant and insulting this morning. He's more angry about being second-guessed than the shootings, it seems.
33 posted on 10/09/2002 4:35:59 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: Peach; All
All I can say is WOW! - You can't blame him for speaking his mind on what is going on with the media and this case.
34 posted on 10/09/2002 4:36:06 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: Miss Marple
Good for Chief Moose! He's really ticked at the media, especially the talking heads speculating about the murderer.
35 posted on 10/09/2002 4:36:13 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Peach
Can we get some FR exprts on TV ?
36 posted on 10/09/2002 4:36:23 AM PDT by ChadGore
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To: Merovingian
Am I correct in interpreting that Chief Moose neither confirmed nor denied the accuracy of the Tarrot Card report?

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

37 posted on 10/09/2002 4:36:36 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: Peach
This police chief is in way over his head on this case. He looks like he's on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
38 posted on 10/09/2002 4:38:13 AM PDT by IoCaster
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To: Peach
Did the Chief actually confirm there was a Tarrot Card?

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown
39 posted on 10/09/2002 4:38:59 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: Catspaw
Good for Chief Moose! He's really ticked at the media

Especially channel 9.....

Edie on Fox is saying huge flaw, brought up John Walsh. Steve saying Moose has been on the air every day appealing to public.....so, media can be useful and helpful. But I understand Moose's frustration....some things should probably not be released to public....

40 posted on 10/09/2002 4:39:03 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Miss Marple
I like Chief Moose!
41 posted on 10/09/2002 4:39:42 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: harpseal; kristinn
You are correct, harpseal He neither confirmed nor denied.

If it is true, kristinn, the police DID find it. All Channel 9 did was TELL the public about it.

42 posted on 10/09/2002 4:40:31 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: harpseal
Neither confirmed or denied.

This is one piece of evidence, if the reports are accurate, that the Chief didn't want released to the public. I have a feeling heads will roll if he finds out who did release the information.

43 posted on 10/09/2002 4:40:33 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: IoCaster
The police have been working overtime, over night, all sorts of crazy hours on this. I'd be getting pretty upset with the media too, releasing info the police wished to hold back. They always try to hold back info, so the cooks who come out claiming responsibility can be quickly discounted if they don't know about the "held back" info. The media rots. The line forms to the left for those who are fed up with the media who think they are better than the police, the politicians, etc.
44 posted on 10/09/2002 4:40:34 AM PDT by Peach
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To: harpseal
Yes, you are correct..He does not affirm or deny, however, he is pretty much admitting it..Saying things like "it should not have been said without my authorization...

He IS making a good point, imo, the media frenzy could cost lives..LLSS applies here too...

45 posted on 10/09/2002 4:41:23 AM PDT by Merovingian
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To: Peach
cooks=kooks
46 posted on 10/09/2002 4:41:41 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Catspaw
Media asked Chief Moose about double standard of analysts being criticized for name calling the sniper when Gov. Glendenning was name calling yesterday.

The chief stumbled all over himself to say what Glendenning said was okay.

I think the chief would be happier working in the former East Bloc. They controlled the media real well.

47 posted on 10/09/2002 4:42:14 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: Peach
You are correct. It is quite possible because of Channel 9's actions there will now be tarot cards found all over the area, left by goofy teenagers and assorted nutcases, which will complicate the case.
48 posted on 10/09/2002 4:42:58 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Peach
I'm already in line so they'll have to get BEHIND me. lol! Don't you just love it when someone actually MAKES SENSE such as Chief Moose.

Everyone from sociologists to former "whatevers" have given their "expert" opinon. It's about time somone told them to shut up and go home.

49 posted on 10/09/2002 4:42:59 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Miss Marple
True, but the Channel 9 reporters are conducting themselves with more maturity than the chief. Emotional stability counts in these situations.
50 posted on 10/09/2002 4:44:18 AM PDT by kristinn
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