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Message to the Troops: Resist! (Leftie West Pointer calls for mutiny)
AlterNet ^ | 10/11/2002 | David Wiggins

Posted on 10/14/2002 8:19:24 PM PDT by ArcLight

Dear Soldier of the U.S. Military:

Considering the common practice of talking about "supporting the troops" in times of hostilities, I should let you know how I feel.

With all due respect, I want you to know that if you participate in this conflict, you are not serving me, and I don't support you. Speaking for myself, I feel those who participate will be damaging my reputation as an American, and further endangering me and my children by creating hatred that will someday be returned to us -- perhaps someday soon. Your actions will not lead to a safer world, but a more dangerous world of pre-emption and unilateral decisions to commit mayhem. I don't support that.

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Oh yes, and you are serving the President, of course -- the man who avoided combat duty and deserted his National Guard unit. You are serving the man who enriched himself through crony capitalism, shady accounting practices and insider trading while running multiple corporations into bankruptcy. You will be serving the man who lost the popular vote for president, but was handed the presidency by a Supreme Court influenced by his father and through voting irregularities in a state governed by his brother. You will be serving the man who, as President, turned the budget surplus into a deficit and presided over the largest stock market decline since the great depression. You will be serving the man who unilaterally withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, ignored the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and rejected the International Criminal Court and Kyoto Protocol on Global Warming...

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KEYWORDS: iraq; resist; war
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1 posted on 10/14/2002 8:19:24 PM PDT by ArcLight
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To: ArcLight
The product of dont ask dont tell
3 posted on 10/14/2002 8:26:04 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: ArcLight
This idiot is a traitor and needs to be Courts Martialed
4 posted on 10/14/2002 8:27:29 PM PDT by clamper1797
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To: ArcLight
Email him at dwiggmd@yahoo.com.

Email = Freep


5 posted on 10/14/2002 8:30:27 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: ArcLight
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6 posted on 10/14/2002 8:31:56 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: ArcLight
"creating hatred that will someday be returned to us...."

I'm sorry....where were you when the WTC fell to the ground? Oh, and there was this whole Gulf War thing happening a few years back....I think that the hatred has BEEN coming to us.....provoked or not.....I'm not big on war, but I'm not one to go on slamming the President for trying to find a way to end the maddness and ensure a safe future for our children....how safe is this world with men like Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein running rampant to kill whomever they please by whatever means necessary? The biggest problem Bill Clinton had was how to redefine "sexual relations" to suit his own deviant behavior....someday we all had to move on to more disturbing problems......
7 posted on 10/14/2002 8:33:12 PM PDT by GoParty
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To: joesnuffy
The product of dont ask dont tell

Or the product of "no brain, just mouth".

8 posted on 10/14/2002 8:34:21 PM PDT by Rocko
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To: ArcLight; Long Cut; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; HiJinx; SAMWolf; Snow Bunny; MeeknMing
David Wiggins attended West Point and York Medical College. During Operation Desert Storm he left the Army as a conscientious objector. He is currently an emergency room physician. Email him at dwiggmd@yahoo.com.

He needs a good freeping. How convenient that the article included his email address.

dwiggmd@yahoo.com

9 posted on 10/14/2002 8:34:28 PM PDT by Jen
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To: Biker Scum; sneakypete; Travis McGee; Squantos
If I am not mistaken, UCMJ has provisions for this behavior (and the friendly NCO's with some very effective Wall to Wall counseling could help get this fellow's perspective altered). But I am sure his fellow cadets will have a few kind words for this POS as well!
10 posted on 10/14/2002 8:38:25 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: Biker Scum
Can we take turns? I'd like a piece myself.
11 posted on 10/14/2002 8:38:25 PM PDT by Long Cut
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To: ArcLight
This guy is a real wuss...

Another former M.D Captain in the Army "Reserves" assured to be recorded as an anti-war coward is David Wiggins. David began a hunger strike two weeks before his deployment to Saudi Arabia in mid-December to protest the impending war. Two weeks after arriving in the Persian Gulf, and still refusing to work or eat, the M.D couldnt hack the proclaimed hunger strike any longer [No doubt the heat was kicking his punk behind] so he went ahead and ate food and took drink then he removed his uniform and sat in an intersection on his base in Saudi Arabia.

Unfortunately....nobody ran him over.
12 posted on 10/14/2002 8:41:22 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
It's starting again...behold, the '60s return, ushered in by modern fools and traitors. Like Biker said, give us ten mikes with the swine.
13 posted on 10/14/2002 8:49:12 PM PDT by Long Cut
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To: ArcLight
I didn't read the full atricle and I don't want to. Did anyone think this guy is just trying to get thrown out. If you, I believe, are an officer, or are about to be, and you talk this way about the President, you will be discharged from the military. Like I said, all I read was the excerpt, but it sounds to me like this guy was looking for a free ride and now looking to get booted, all the while he can still say he was a West Pointer. I do remember a General, I believe from the Air Force who publicly criticized slick Willy and he was promptly retired.
14 posted on 10/14/2002 8:49:38 PM PDT by vnix
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To: Caligirl for Bush
"David Wiggins attended West Point..."

Most of the time, the use of the word "attended" means that one did not graduate. I wonder whether or not he is, in fact, a graduate.
15 posted on 10/14/2002 8:52:55 PM PDT by VMI70
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To: All
FReeped this Chicken S**t: See below


So you conveniently decided that you no longer believed in war after 4 years of free education thanks to the US Army and med school paid for by who? Could that be Myself and other ordinary US taxpayers? At some point in your education at West Point (maybe a tactics or strategy class) did it occur to you that the Army had a function involving breaking things and killing people? That seems a bit naive at best or just plain stupid at worst. I have a friend who was an enlisted man in the 7th ID (Infantry Division) who was fully aware by the time he left boot camp of what the specific function of his unit was. If you were a peacenik, than why did you stay at West Point? Why not leave school and finish at a non military university? My answer is you are a traitor and a coward. If you have a DD214 that shows otherwise, please present it as well as any citations. Otherwise, you are nothing more than another Hanoi Jane.

Signed
16 posted on 10/14/2002 8:53:28 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: VaBthang4
I disagree with this upcoming misadventure as much as the next non-interventionist paleoconservative...but when the metal hits the meat and the O-Plans go into the circular file...in the military you just gotta shut up and color. 'Nuff said
17 posted on 10/14/2002 8:55:48 PM PDT by lanceboyle
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To: ArcLight
This crap needs to be pulled and re-posted at DU.
18 posted on 10/14/2002 8:55:56 PM PDT by semaj
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To: VMI70
I find this guy appalling. He could have made it through (med school requires a Bachelors Degree: Somehow a BS held by this putz seems appropriate). I wonder what Army vets think. I think my grandfather would be livid. I would send this idiot's site to a few vets I know but do not want to put them in the VA with cardiac arrest.
19 posted on 10/14/2002 8:58:12 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: lanceboyle
He's not in the military anymore.....he got kicked out....so you and him are in the same civilian contrarian boat.
20 posted on 10/14/2002 9:03:36 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: semaj
This crap needs to be pulled and re-posted at DU.

I think it has been and believe this Clymer posts there. I think he's one of their heros. Thank God there aren't many like him.

Most of the time, the use of the word "attended" means that one did not graduate. I wonder whether or not he is, in fact, a graduate.

I was also going to mention that.

21 posted on 10/14/2002 9:05:15 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: VaBthang4
He was a class ahead of me at "Hudson High". In fact, I was a plebe in the same company where he was a yearling (2nd year). I don't remember much about him other than that he was pretty bright, and that he was soft on the plebes (not atypical for a yearling). His yearbook graduation photo shows him wearing stars on the collar (top 5 percent of class) and headed for the Medical Corps. (If I had a scanner I'd post it)

I left the Army after 5 years and wasn't in the Gulf War. Another classmate, however, told me about Wiggins' schenanigans with the "hunger strike" etc. I wasn't aware though that it happened in Saudi. I remember hearing that he may have done jail time.

I guess he considered his full ride through the Academy and Medical School as some kind of freebie that carried no obligation.

I assume now that he's long out of the Army. He probably hangs out in leftist circles, which provides him with ego-strokes for his views and gives him a further chance to dishonor the Army and the Academy.

22 posted on 10/14/2002 9:07:27 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: Biker Scum
3 seconds
23 posted on 10/14/2002 9:07:47 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: Long Cut
"It's starting again...behold, the '60s return, ushered in by modern fools and traitors."

I predicted this last October.
When I got out in Sept '69 and used to work in downtown Chicago
I saw the daily freak shows with the pathetic anti-war scum.
I used to work across the street from where the Chicago 7 trial was being held.
And some FReepers wonder why I am so pro-military.
I made a vow back then and have done my best for over 30 years to support the military.
I'm not a post 9/11 supporter.
I've been this way for decades.
24 posted on 10/14/2002 9:08:12 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Long Cut
These are the children of the 60's trash. Their grand parents sold us out to FDR socialism/communism and now their communist, anti-American parents get paid big bucks to institutionalize the youth of America with their self-centeredness. Beware the times and location of America in history if the watermelons aren't dealt with.
25 posted on 10/14/2002 9:12:56 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution
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To: RodgerD
What year are you? What Company?
26 posted on 10/14/2002 9:14:55 PM PDT by DoSomethingAboutIt
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To: ArcLight
I had to email this creep.
27 posted on 10/14/2002 9:16:15 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Caligirl for Bush
"I find this guy appalling."

He ranks right down there with Clinton (doesn't matter which one-take your pick).
I am not sure that USMA has a "pre med" program. It used to be that everyone graduated in the same course of study--Military Engineering or some such.

No matter, this guy needs to be guinea pig for anthrax testing.
28 posted on 10/14/2002 9:17:03 PM PDT by VMI70
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To: DoSomethingAboutIt
'85.
G-3.
29 posted on 10/14/2002 9:19:23 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: RodgerD
What class were you?
30 posted on 10/14/2002 9:21:28 PM PDT by VMI70
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To: VMI70
Will the DOD take nominations? And how does the inactive reserve thing work in these cases? Leavenworth is a good place for this scum too!
31 posted on 10/14/2002 9:21:36 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: ArcLight
I would support the troops disobeying orders.

In this exerpt from the complete article, the pantywaist Wiggins has committed sedition and is an accessory before the fact. As a commissioned officer, his contract does not expire and he is subject to re-activation and the UCMJ. That would be nice to see.

32 posted on 10/14/2002 9:21:46 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Caligirl for Bush
(and the friendly NCO's with some very effective Wall to Wall counseling could help get this fellow's perspective altered)

FYI: From "WALL-TO-WALL COUNSELING FM 22-102"

Wall-to-Wall counseling has been around longer than the American military.

Many famed units used it as their primary motivational tool, and some used nothing else. It's still prevalent in many hardened military units.

The Spartans

The citizens of the city-state of Sparta, Greece, didn't mess around. Wall-to-wall counseling was the order of the day among the Spartan. The Spartans believed in hard training and hard discipline, and wall-to-wall counseling is about the hardest kind of discipline that there is. The Spartans were feared both in war and at peace, and they worked hard to maintain their image. Babies were quality controlled at the time of their birth, and any not meeting the standards were put on the sides of mountains to die Needless to say, until the day when wall-to-wall counseling completely erased the desire of the citizens of Sparta to perpetuate the race, nobody screwed with these people.

Patton

General George S. Patton, the famed World War II tank corps commander was a great fan of wall-to-wall counseling. It showed in the way he led his troops. He never used a kind word when a foul one would do just as well. One of his most famous wall-to-wall counseling sessions occurred in a field hospital. Patton believed that combat fatigue was cowardice, and promised to shoot anyone exhibiting it. On a trip through a field hospital, he ran across a shell-shocked private. When the private claimed that he could hear the shells flying overhead but not exploding, Patton became furious. He slapped the soldiers in the head, waved a loaded pistol in his face and called him a wuss. Then he ordered him back to the front to fight "so the brave soldiers in this hospital won't be contaminated by this coward." That Patton was not punished as severely as he should have been for this deed shows that wall-to-wall counseling has a place in the US Army.

The South Korean Army

The Army of the Republic of Korea uses wall-to-wall counseling in its daily operation. It is sanctioned and approved by the Ministry of Defense. South Koreans feel that the harsher peacetime is, the less the soldier will notice the hardships of combat with North Korea Wall-to-Wall counseling rises to its zenith with the ROK discipline board. This group wall-to-wall counseling session is convened for offenses that would result in punishment by court-martial in the US Army. The soldier walks into the discipline board. Is wall-to-wall counseled, and is carried out of the board, either on a stretcher or on ice. While US Army waIl-to-wall counseling is not likely to result in serious death to the soldier, the Korean discipline board is a model to be emulated by all US Army units.

When should you wall-to-wall counsel?

You should wall-to-wall counsel a soldier when he needs it And all soldiers occasionally need wall-to-wall counseling.

Determining when this most severe of leadership techniques is warranted requires the leader to intimately know his soldiers and be aware of when a soldier is far enough gone that a swat in the head is the only thing that will adjust his behavior.

33 posted on 10/14/2002 9:30:01 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: VMI70
I don't know about now, but 17 years ago there would typically be a handful of guys from each class who would go into Medical School. It was obviously quite selective.

With a 5-year service obligation for WP, plus another 7 or 8 for medical school, Wiggins' "conscience" kicked in very conveniently 6 years after he graduated from WP in 1984. At that point, he was probably out of med school and into or finished with an internship. Since serving the 12 or so years on his service obligation wasn't to his liking, he took his chances instead on the Saudi street intersection. I think he should have gone the Corporal Klinger route, then his new America-hating pals would really have welcomed him.

34 posted on 10/14/2002 9:32:56 PM PDT by RodgerD
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To: AntiJen
Thank you Jen so much for pinging me to this.
35 posted on 10/14/2002 9:46:25 PM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: Gamecock
I would point out that the Russian Army currently (and historically) specializes in wall to wall counseling.

Beatings are for slaves - free men deserve to be led.

Beating a non-motivated individual incurs a long term cost for a short term gain, and it has been my observation that the transaction is no bargain to the US Army, to speak of just one service.

36 posted on 10/14/2002 9:51:15 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Gamecock
Thanks for the info. Now what can be done with guys like Dr Traitor?
37 posted on 10/14/2002 9:52:55 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: AntiJen
He just got Freeped big time from me.
38 posted on 10/14/2002 9:53:07 PM PDT by Indie
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To: Caligirl for Bush

39 posted on 10/14/2002 9:55:30 PM PDT by ALS
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40 posted on 10/14/2002 9:55:59 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Biker Scum
Is this dipsh*t anywhere near Washington? Maybe the sniper will get him.
41 posted on 10/14/2002 9:59:12 PM PDT by paul51
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To: ALS
Gollee Sarge! Got any graphics of Gunny Hartman?
42 posted on 10/14/2002 9:59:40 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: Gamecock
When should you wall-to-wall counsel?

We called them "blanket parties" in the Navy. There's a good example in "Full Metal Jacket" before Hartman gets blown away - Private Pyle, 50 of his closest buddies, a bar of soap, a towel, and a blanket.

43 posted on 10/14/2002 10:03:17 PM PDT by strela
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To: ArcLight
Note that it says "attended" West Point. Attended, not Gradudated. He was probably Drummed Out.
44 posted on 10/14/2002 10:05:20 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: Caligirl for Bush

45 posted on 10/14/2002 10:07:45 PM PDT by ALS
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To: Long Cut
SIGH.

He sounds like some of our little friends right here on FR.

46 posted on 10/14/2002 10:08:24 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: ALS
Thanks for the graphic! Leave it to the Marines!
47 posted on 10/14/2002 10:11:18 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: ArcLight
Body of my email to Davie darling:

Did you know you were a coward before you went to West Point or just after you got to Saudi?
48 posted on 10/14/2002 10:19:21 PM PDT by philetus
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To: ArcLight
Amazing, this robot parrots the party line and thinks he's really making his case against GWB in the last sentence re Kyoto etc. while I regard GWB's position on all of those issues as excellent. There really is no room for compromise. Leaches off the tax payers and then wimps out - it offends me that he even lives in this country, let alone spews his treason.
49 posted on 10/14/2002 10:20:05 PM PDT by Let's Roll
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To: AntiJen
David Wiggins attended West Point and York Medical College. During Operation Desert Storm he left the Army as a conscientious objector. He is currently an emergency room physician.

Uh huh...one of those guys who joined up "to get an education" and bailed as soon as the "soldier" part of the job kicked in.

50 posted on 10/14/2002 10:23:29 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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