Skip to comments.Muhammad, Malvo May be Connected To Alabama Terror Camp
Posted on 10/24/2002 6:00:09 AM PDT by kingfish45n
newscourt.com - Authorities are investigating into possible ties between John Muhammad, John Lee Malvo and a training camp reportedly linked to Islamic terrorists in Marion, Alabama. European law enforcement officials believe Muslims were using the camp to prepare for a holy war, according to a July 25 2002, report by ABC NEWS.
An investigation by Britain's Scotland Yard led to the discovery of "Camp Ground Zero," in Alabama. Bullet-riddled school buses and police cars with mannequin targets were scattered around the grounds. Inside a large warehouse were shot-up mannequins, in domestic settings, with blood-like stains on them.
Ground Zero's operators - also British - offered world-class training in automatic weapons and urban warfare, supposedly to fight terrorism. Marion police became suspicious of the use of buses and police cars as targets, but the camp owners refused to comment on the matter in July.
"In the United States, it is not illegal for anyone to receive military training, high-grade military training," said Rohan Gunaratna, author of Inside Al Qaeda. We know of a number of cases where Islamic terrorists came and trained in this country in the early 1990s. It is likely that this scale of training is still continuing," Gunaratna said.
The most radical of London's Islamic clerics, Abu Hamza, told ABCNEWS in a July 2002 phone call that America's laws make paramilitary training easy, "like a picnic."
British intelligence officials told ABC NEWS they were examining ties between Hamza, who is said to have recruited alleged "20th hijacker" Zacarias Moussaoui, and Zain-ul-Albidin.
The pressing question for police is whether there is a connection between the camp, John Muhammad and John Malvo.
The credit card that Muhammad allegedly used as a transfer account for the $10 million demanded in ransom by the D.C. snipers belonged to a woman who was killed in a liquor store robbery in Marion, Ala., last month. Police also report that Malvo's DNA was found at the scene of that robbery and murder.
MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- State officials say an investigation uncovered no evidence that a camp near Marion was used as a terrorist training camp.
Wednesday night, ABC News said the camp could have possible ties to Osama bin Laden's terror network.
A Tuscaloosa man operates the Marion Camp, called Ground Zero USA.
Marion Police Chief Tony Buford said he was misquoted. Buford said the camp is used by police officers from Alabama and Louisiana for training that includes target practice.
NBC News first reported in December that a man with alleged Al-Qaida ties, named Zain Ul Albidin, was arrested in Great Britain. Albidin alleged that terrorists trained in the camp in Marion.
A spokesman for Gov. Don Siegelman and Department of Public Safety officials said they are aware of the reports. But after conducting background investigations of the site they found no reason to be concerned.
The camp made news again Wednesday because Albidin is being questioned in connection with the terror attacks of Sept. 11.
The Chief says much of the information being reported by the media is incorrect.
From the scroll at the bottom of the MSNBC screen, Police are not clear if Montgomery AL shooting is connected to DC sniper.
And if its not terror related, half of FR will still claim it is anyway. So its a ctach-22. No mater what they say, Freepers will still say its terror related.
Does this man think he's writing a cheap detective novel with his mouth? Everything he says reeks of over the top drama!!
Well, that's obviously BS if he said it like that. The police chief obviously knows about CGZ.
Yes indeedie. Last night, Aaron "Errin'" Brown looked as though he were covering his daughter's funeral on CNN's Newsnight - wincing every time he was forced to:
1. Say the name Muhammed;
2. Show the "pic' o' th' perp";
3. Describe the suspect as a BLACK and a MUSLIM.
CNN, for a while, seemed to have a policy of ALWAYS ID'ing the warrantee as "Williams" first and "Muhammed" second. By this morning, that policy, wisely, has been reversed.
I can't wait to see the post-mortems on the rest of the nets today. They were all gearing up for a MAJOR MAJOR push against Southern red-neck crazed Republican NRA members.
Its been there for years - its a legit place - unfortunately, anyone can rent it or train there. The owners have never been suspected of anything illegal.
Until this morning, when I heard about it from the media...I had never heard about it.
I didn't put that in quotes because it's not exact, but it is exactly the thought I heard him convey.
I was watchiing FOX and MSNCB all last night and they seemed to reluctantly call him anything other than John Mohammed. Saying "Alan Williams" was rare, and only after his last name was called "Mohammed".
I don't understand where people get this idea they are playing down his obvious muslin name and past conversion.
He's on MSNBC right now.
Do you find it specious that a local police chief does not know about a privately owned training facility where law enforcement, security agents and foreign government agents train?
I aint buying it.
It's going to get worse for Brown when he has to show video of John Mohammed standing guard over Calypso Louie at the MMM rally in DC from 1995.
Speak for yourself, Brian.
"No one is certain that everyone who was involved is now off the street. The all clear has not been sounded. "We've assumed it could be two people, but we've never been certain of that". "There will be no statements from officials today, declaring this seige is over."
I think the feds are doing there best to not screw up and make themsleves look even more like bumbling idiots, espeically considering many Americans hold them responsible for letting the 9/11 guys in the country.
I am not at all convinced that this thing is over. Today may be a good day to sit back, watch, listen, and learn. IMO
Chief Wilson of Montgomery Alabama made a professional appearance. He was very articulate. A reporter asked him if Maryland has the death penalty and he replied that he didn't know, but that "Alabama certainly does!. LOL.
The reverse profiling is sickening. I am so glad that they have to eat crow this morning. The fact thta most news sources are backing away from AQ or other terror group connections is still bothersome though. I mean c'mon, the guy converted to Islam and there are reports out of Seatle that they were sympathetic to the 911 Hijackers. Need more proof CNN???
I even hear WOR Radio in NY this moring refer to the guy as John Williams. He changed his name to Muhamad when he converted to Islam. Please report the facts.
Just braoadcast (Montgomery County police): "We are pretty sure these are the guys. Why, because we got tons of evidence"
Talk about selective perception. I was watching MSNBC last night when they first announced the names. It was "John Mohammed". They went with that name for a good fifteen minutes before they ever mentioned his former name, John Allen Williams. It was just a minute before Moose came on that they finally started giving both names. I think you may have been watching Fox too much. Good old Rita kept saying that Alabama was next door to Maryland. What a fool.
Well how many hundreds or thousands have visited his shooting range in the past year or two? And who says he used either of his names when he was there. Also it may be that he has never been there.
I was especially intrigued when he discussed the evidence in the liquor store shooting, that they had plenty. It must include eye witness ID, because he said the victim who lived has been very very helpful. He won't go on record about having fingerprints that could be matched up to these two now in Maryland custody, but it seems safe to assume he has them.
Oh gawd, I'm signing off MSNBC...cant' take Rick Sanchez.
Just a comment...I do not buy into the notion some are espousing here, that the national media is upset the guys in custody aren't right wing whacko nutcase white guys. I don't buy that at all. Oh, the national media is walking the tightrope not to be politically incorrect...as per usual, the national media wouldn't want to offend blacks, Jamacians, or American "peace loving" Moslems.
But at some point in time, the media will self-flagellate about how wrong their talking head experts were, how their coverage was over the top, and how wrong predictions and profiles were.
Imus will never let Bo Dietel forget it if his tv appearances were way wrong.....but I'm hoping somebody, someday, plays back every stupid, self-serving pronouncement made by Cliff Van Zandt. That "former FBI" gasshole makes my skin crawl.
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