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The Truth: Gun Ownership IS Allowed in Engand & UK.
British Government Consular Web Site ^

Posted on 10/26/2002 7:12:48 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton

If an individual imports a firearm and/or ammunition after becoming a resident of the UK, he will need to apply for a firearms or shotgun certificate. Application must be made to the Chief Officer of the Police for the area in which he is resident. The Metropolitan Police Service Firearms Enquiry Team provides specific information on firearms certificates and shotgun certificates.

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If you go to the British embassy web site here: http://www.britainusa.com/faq2/showfaq.asp?SID=313

you will see that the gun laws are similar to laws in most US states. There's a lot of nonsense spoken by the NRA and others about gun laws in the UK. It's Assault Weapons that are difficult (but not impossible)to own legally in the UK.

In fact, in some ways, the gun laws in the UK are less stringent because they allow foreign residents to own firearms, whereas many US states don't, e.g MA.

If you need to carry a concealed weapon you can get a permit from the Home Office.

1 posted on 10/26/2002 7:12:48 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
You do NOT have gun control in England..you haveGUN PROHIBITION. Big difference. And, I would wager to say that other than calling an assault rifle "military like", you have absolutely no idea what defines an assault weapon.
2 posted on 10/26/2002 7:24:09 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
Have you read the restrictions on owning guns on the site you linked to? For example did you read the part about having to be licensed before you can own shotguns?
3 posted on 10/26/2002 7:27:49 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
Cpt Sir Richard Burton signed up 2002-10-26.

Figures. Be gone, troll.
5 posted on 10/26/2002 7:32:40 AM PDT by Dan4175
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
You're a disgrace to your screename.
6 posted on 10/26/2002 7:34:37 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton; *bang_list
Interesting. I've often wondered how many Brits are hiding surplus L1A1's and SLR's in basements and backrooms.

Now they can all head to the range for some target practice, since apparently the Home Office has NO PROBLEM with civilian ownership of firearms, contrary to popular opinion.

Any other citizens of the UK care to comment?

By the way, what, exactly, is an "assault weapon"?

8 posted on 10/26/2002 7:44:28 AM PDT by xsrdx
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
If an individual imports a firearm and/or ammunition ...

People get one (1) firearm certificate, and it must be kept locked at a club or police station, unless there is special permission to keep it locked at home. Telling a non-certificated person where the key to the safe (or what its combination is) is a criminal offense and results in the loss of the certificate and seizure of the firearm. There was a case in which a man told his mother where the key was, and authorities found this out.

9 posted on 10/26/2002 7:46:09 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
From the British website:

"Please note that personal security is not a valid reason for possessing, importing or transhipment of firearms in the UK."

And from a link on that page:

"Common sense dictates that there are many types of firearms, especially those designed for military use, that have no place in the sporting field or hobby of shooting. There are others, for instance some hand guns, which have been brought into the prohibited category by Acts of Parliament. All of the following weapons and ammunition are prohibited:"

The philosophy from which those statements are derived, is in complete oppostion to the 2'd ammendement of the U.S. Constitution, and the Constitutions and laws of most of the states.

Although you may legally bring some weapons to the U.K., it is possible only at the whim of the government; where such exercise by the individual is treated as a revokable privilage. Although vermin of various stripes are trying to make the situtation the same in the U.S., they have a long way to go yet.

cw
10 posted on 10/26/2002 7:46:27 AM PDT by colderwater
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To: vbmoneyspender
Getting a license to own a shotgun in the UK isn't hard, if you are an honest law abiding resident. The restriction is on sawn-off shot guns, the type of thing that bank robbers like to use.

If, you want to make it easy for some Saudi A-rab Islamofacist to walk into a store to buy a shot gun and blow away school kids - then I guess the UK laws are bad.
11 posted on 10/26/2002 7:48:15 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: coloradan
Ooops, dangling participle. The gun, not the certificate, shall be locked... ("He walked into the basement, full of indecision. Not knowing what to do, the clock struck noon.")
12 posted on 10/26/2002 7:48:26 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
From the link:

Please note that personal security is not a valid reason for possessing, importing or transhipment of firearms in the UK.

Certain weapons are prohibited from import. A complete list of the prohibited weapons and ammunition is available from the Metropolitan Police Service Firearms Enquiry Team.

I'll give you three guesses what constitutes a "prohibited" firearm, and the first two don't count.

13 posted on 10/26/2002 7:49:38 AM PDT by xsrdx
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
Getting a license to own a shotgun in the UK isn't hard,

There it is again!

And what about rifles and handguns? And ammunition? Where do you get that?

14 posted on 10/26/2002 7:50:15 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
You may be able to get a shotgun, but don't dare use it. Just ask Tony Martin.
15 posted on 10/26/2002 7:53:04 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Puppage
Guns are not prohibited in th UK. The law, to make it clearer for you, doesn't allow fully automatic weapons, semi automatic weaposn are allowed.

Certain types of ammo are disallowed (such as dum-dum rounds) but you get get waivers.

You can own an AK47, for example, if it has been modified to fire only in semi-automatic mode.

In fact, you can get a license from the Hme Office to own fully automatic weapons - granted the process is involved.
16 posted on 10/26/2002 7:53:43 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
" Gun Ownership IS Allowed in Engand & UK.

Says it all.

You gun grabbers just don't get it.

2nd Amendment bump!
17 posted on 10/26/2002 7:56:15 AM PDT by PA Engineer
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To: xsrdx
Please note that personal security is not a valid reason for possessing, importing or transhipment of firearms in the UK.

We should see to it that those criminals associated with the "send a gun to save a British home" program are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. After all, they were explicitly asking for firearms for personal security, and it was a big importation and transhipment scam. Completely criminal.

Well, at least I now know that I could face criminal charges if I ever try to send rifles to Britain ... so I certainly won't! Probably some sort of sting set up by the Home Office to catch gun-running Americans.

18 posted on 10/26/2002 7:56:24 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: goldenboy
This is where I used to buy my guns in London:

http://www.raywardgunsmith.co.uk/contents/

up to 6 months ago.

Now I live in Massachusetts I CAN'T own any of them here in the US. I had to leave them in the UK .... no more hunting for me.
19 posted on 10/26/2002 7:58:23 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: coloradan
I'm communicating from my "backup browser"-- a 66 mhtz. 486 with a sticking keyboard & gritty trackball- so excuse the weird typos, they are hard to go back to & correct.


When I get back to the "better" 486 & my files, I'll give this joker some links...

20 posted on 10/26/2002 7:58:28 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
If, you want to make it easy for some Saudi A-rab Islamofacist to walk into a store to buy a shot gun and blow away school kids - then I guess the UK laws are bad.

Your elected representatives don't trust you with certain types of firearms. That should make you VERY upset.

Instead, you feel it makes your children "safer", when in fact lawful citizens are not the ones perpetrating offenses. Gun laws have no effect on criminals, since criminals by definition DON'T OBEY LAWS.

Why is that so hard for socialists and liberal utopians to figure out?

21 posted on 10/26/2002 7:59:54 AM PDT by xsrdx
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
You can own an AK47, for example, if it has been modified to fire only in semi-automatic mode. ...In fact, you can get a license from the Hme Office to own fully automatic weapons - granted the process is involved.

You just contradicted yourself. First you say only semi-auto AK47s are allowed, and these certainly require a "process" ... and then you say full autos may also be owned after all ... following a process. Which is it? And can you own magazines and 7.62x39 ammunition, too? What is the extent of what you are permitted to do by the grace and kindness of your betters?

22 posted on 10/26/2002 7:59:59 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
If, you want to make it easy for some Saudi A-rab Islamofacist to walk into a store to buy a shot gun and blow away school kids

Read the terms of use: NO RACISM.

To make this a bit clearer to you, here is your post in some mirrors:

If, you want to make it easy for some black ni**er to walk into a store to buy a shot gun and blow away school kids ...

If, you want to make it easy for some filthy Jew to walk into a store to buy a shot gun and blow away school kids ...

Get it?

23 posted on 10/26/2002 8:03:17 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: backhoe
I don't think he is too interested in reading material. Just in setting us 'Mercuns straight.

24 posted on 10/26/2002 8:04:54 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: coloradan
"Please note that personal security is not a valid reason for possessing,"

This is more or less the same thing I was told by my local police chief, here in the US. I could not bring my Browning 9mm HP here for personal prtection.
25 posted on 10/26/2002 8:05:10 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
If, you want to make it easy for some Saudi A-rab Islamofacist to walk into a store to buy a shot gun and blow away school kids - then I guess the UK laws are bad.

I guess preventing an otherwise law abiding citizen the right to carry a concealed weapon to stop some Saudi A-rab Islamofacist from blowing away school kids makes it bad law too. An armed populace is a respected populace.

You Brits are so caught up in your Socialist governmental controls that you can't see the forest for the trees. But, hey, I would expect no more from a people who have developed a passion for boiled food and warm beer....

26 posted on 10/26/2002 8:05:50 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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Now I live in Massachusetts I CAN'T own any of them here in the US. I had to leave them in the UK .... no more hunting for me.

You picked the wrong state. So move.

I'm not surprised you find MA gun laws more prohibitive than those in the UK, MA prides itself on it's disregard for the Constitution.

27 posted on 10/26/2002 8:07:03 AM PDT by xsrdx
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
Now I live in Massachusetts I CAN'T own any of them here in the US.

If you are trying to make the point that Taxachussetts is a gun-grabbingly disarmed liberal socialist "for the children" utopia with full victim disarmament laws, then I wholeheartedly agree with you.

28 posted on 10/26/2002 8:07:10 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: coloradan
I follow you, but just to set the record straight, I will... guess DU's a little slow today...
29 posted on 10/26/2002 8:07:37 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
This is more or less the same thing I was told by my local police chief, here in the US.

Please - you mean "here in Taxachussetts." There are some police chiefs out where I live that give advice to residents about being armed, and seeing that they have enough gun for their own protection, admitting that the police can't be there for them all the time, and that their self-defense is up to them.

30 posted on 10/26/2002 8:10:00 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
The problem is that Parliament does not recognize the peaceable individual's right to arm himself. In Britain possession is licensed and authorized by the government.
31 posted on 10/26/2002 8:12:07 AM PDT by Mortimer Snavely
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
Just for the record, let me point out how you described foreign immigrants coming to your country, and your desire to see them disarmed. If I recall, you called them "Saudi Arab Islamofascists".

And now you are a foreign immigrant in another country, and Lo! are disarmed by the local constable.

Oh, the irony...

32 posted on 10/26/2002 8:14:40 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton

Cpt Sir Richard Burton signed up 2002-10-26.


Isn't that interesting?
33 posted on 10/26/2002 8:21:40 AM PDT by Fiddlstix
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
This is more or less the same thing I was told by my local police chief, here in the US. I could not bring my Browning 9mm HP here for personal prtection.

The same reasoning is used in NY State, which is a Taxachusetts clone- when applying for a handgun license never tell them it's for self-defense, but target practice. Whatever, it's still perfectly legal, as it should be to use it for the purpose of defending yourself.

In Britain though, I've heard you can't do that, even if someone breaks into your house. If that's true, why do British citizens tolerate those kind of laws?

34 posted on 10/26/2002 8:28:41 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: coloradan
No, what I'm saying is that a foreigner, myself included, should at least be checked out by the local police before they are allowed to keep a firearm - why do you have a problem with that?

In the UK, it is hard (if not impossible) for somebody to get off the plane from Saudi Arabia (say) and go and buy a shot gun in a store. Why should it it be easy?

If it turns out that he just some fat Arab prince that wishes to shoot grouse, then give him a license.

But if it turns out to be a young, single, crazy eyed individual, that looks as if he has just come out of an Al-Qaeda training camp - then "NO! Sonny" you can't have a license. And if I catch you with a shot gun then it's off to the nick (jail)!

Personally, I don't have a problem with that.
35 posted on 10/26/2002 8:30:08 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"In Britain though, I've heard you can't do that, even if someone breaks into your house. If that's true, why do British citizens tolerate those kind of laws?"


Well, it's true in some US states too, Illinois (I think) and Massachusetts.

The problem is that in the past, some land owners would shoot at people for innocently tresspassing on their property.

If armed breakins was a big problem I think the law would be changed - but it's not. Burgleries are higher in the UK than the US (per capita), but they tend to be less violent. Also, if caught they tend to give themselves up without a fight.

36 posted on 10/26/2002 8:38:54 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
No, what I'm saying is that a foreigner, myself included, should at least be checked out by the local police before they are allowed to keep a firearm - why do you have a problem with that?

The question isn't whether I do, it's that you do: you stated that foreigners in your own country shouldn't be able to easily arm themselves, and now you are a foreinger and can't easily arm yourself. Apparently you miss the irony of getting what you would seek for others.

In the UK, it is hard (if not impossible) for somebody to get off the plane from Saudi Arabia (say) and go and buy a shot gun in a store. Why should it it be easy?

Because self defense is a basic human right, and regimes that infringe this right deny individual human value.

If it turns out that he just some fat Arab prince that wishes to shoot grouse, then give him a license.

Skinny Arab princes need not apply, LOL!

Licenses are for peasants, "please, sir, may I humbly ask you to allow me to ______" Do you have the right to your life? Yes or no.

But if it turns out to be a young, single, crazy eyed individual, that looks as if he has just come out of an Al-Qaeda training camp - then "NO!

This is what our CIA, etc, is supposed to be able to sort out. They fail (usually - they can't even get current maps of Belgrade (according to them)) but one does not become stronger by making everyone else weaker. Incidentally, it's not like smuggling doesn't exist - certainly it does in your country and also here. So it's not like more gun laws can stop terrorists from getting armed, look at the total failure of drug laws here.

And if I catch you with a shot gun then it's off to the nick (jail)!

I don't support such a prohibition. If someone is a known criminal or terrorist, he should be jailed or killed. If not, then he should have rights, as for self-defense. A basic human right, remember. Though you deny this.

37 posted on 10/26/2002 8:44:51 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
The problem is that in the past, some land owners would shoot at people for innocently tresspassing on their property.

Then the solution would be to prosecute those land owners individually, not strip away everyone's right to shoot those who would break into one's own house with the intent to do harm.

Do you have a right to your own life? Yes or no.

38 posted on 10/26/2002 8:47:03 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
Guns are not prohibited in th UK

Oh, really? Can you own a hand gun there? In your home, or do you have to go "visit" it at the gun club? Anything bigger than a .22? That's right.....GUN PROHIBITION.

By the way...you STILL haven't answered my question. Apart from a "military look", what defines an assault weapon?

39 posted on 10/26/2002 8:59:29 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
Also, if caught they tend to give themselves up without a fight.

The late, great George Harrison would probably have disagreed with you on that one.

40 posted on 10/26/2002 9:02:56 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
Just To Clarify Things

The main reason I posted this thread was that yesterday, on the O'Reilly Radio show Andrew P. Napolitano made the statement that all guns were outlawed in the UK and gun ownership is illegal there. I hear this all the time from American friends.

1. Gun ownership is allowed in the UK, it's easier than in some US states.

2. Even a foreign citizen, provided they are law-abiding can take their guns to the UK and use them.

3. Foreigners, even law-abiding foreigners from countries closely allied with the US, can't own guns in many US states.

4. If you really have the need to own a fully automatic assault rifle; you can still obtain a special license from the Home Office - this fact isn't fully publicised. In fact many high schools have army cadet corps where 15-18 years get to fire the same weapons as the army.

5. Once again GUN OWNERSHIP IS ALLOWED IN THE UK! we even have our own NRA:

http://www.nra.org.uk/
Gun clubs:
http://www.ferndowngc.fsnet.co.uk/menu.html

6. True, it's hard for a 18 year old soccer hooligan to buy a gun - but the majority of us like it that way - it's called "democracy". There aren't hoardes of people in the UK calling for more lax gun laws. However, we are against banning guns; and guess what: GUNS ARE NOT BANNED IN THE UK!



41 posted on 10/26/2002 9:39:53 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: Puppage
Assault weapon, a term used loosely - a fully automatic weapon, such as M16, AK47, HKMP50...,

You can still own these if you can be bothered to jump through a lot more hoops with the Home Office.

Yes you can own a hand gun, and keep at home; but it has to be stored securely. You can own a 9mm for example.
42 posted on 10/26/2002 9:50:44 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
Read these, and get back to us:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/711949/posts
Newsmax | July 7, 2002 | Dr. Michael S. Brown
"an interesting pattern in how many people successfully defend themselves with tiny weapons, like .22, .25 and .32 caliber handguns that are often derided by the anti-gun lobby as "junk guns" and "Saturday night specials." "
 

-Empty-Barrel Gun Policies-A legacy of nonsense from Clinton, Blair, and the Left--

-A Problem With Guns (Long... but SOOOO good)--

Shooting More Holes in Gun Control

Gun Control Down Under

HCI Aussie Style (read it and weep-or laugh)

The Great Australian Gun Law CON!

British Gun Crime Soars

Gun Crimes Surge in London

Canadian Gun Control Has Little Impact on Crime (Home Gun Confiscation/Resisters)


Israel is Arming Its Civilians - Why Aren't We?
... and cyberjournalist. His latest book is The Seven Myths of Gun Control. Topics: News/Current
Events Keywords: GUN CONTROL, ISRAEL, SECOND AMENDMENT, TERRORISM ...
beta.freerepublic.com/focus/news/646679/posts - 39k - Cached

Through the Looking Glass and Back Again - From Anti-gunner to Firearms Instructor in Four Months


Swiss Gun Laws- and some rebuttal to HCI "spin"-- Thread II

Statistical Facts Gun-haters Run From


43 posted on 10/26/2002 9:57:47 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
Assault weapon, a term used loosely - a fully automatic weapon, such as M16, AK47, HKMP50...,

Nope, not in this country. Try again. There is a strict federal definition. What is it?

44 posted on 10/26/2002 10:04:04 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
Assault weapon, a term used loosely - a fully automatic weapon

That is incorrect. Among other things, an assault weapon is defined as having a "select fire" switch. The ability to shoot BOTH single shot & automatic. Here in Connecticut you can have either, or. However, not the ability of both on the same weapon.

45 posted on 10/26/2002 10:05:01 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: backhoe
1. I Don't hate Guns

2. I Don't like harsh gun laws

3. I do wish to bring and use my guns from the UK
(but I can't bring them to MA; maybe I'll move to Texas.)

4. I'm not an anti-gun nut!

5. Yes, the gun laws are more harsh in the UK... BUT YOU CAN STILL OWN A GUN THERE
46 posted on 10/26/2002 10:11:02 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
BTW..Britain has the most severe "gun control" laws in the world.Not even members of the British Olympic Shooting Team are allowed pistols. The British are reduced to registered single- and double-barreled shotguns, and the maximum permitted shell load is birdshot.

But, YOU can own a 9mm as you say? NOT

47 posted on 10/26/2002 10:12:57 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
True, it's hard for a 18 year old soccer hooligan to buy a gun - but the majority of us like it that way - it's called "democracy".

The majority of Freepers don't like "democracy". We prefer individual rights and a constitutional republic to mob rule.

48 posted on 10/26/2002 10:13:05 AM PDT by Mark Turbo
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To: coloradan
"Nope, not in this country. Try again. There is a strict federal definition. What is it? "

I don't know.. and I don't particularly care what the exact definition is.

My point is that it is possible to own such things in the UK - I agree that it is harder than it is in the US.

I personally don't have anything against somebody owning such weapons as long they are of good character.

My whole point is that: I have guns in the UK which I wish to use here in the US and I can't! True I live in Massachusetts (at the moment) but a lot of states have the same laws.

If I were a US citizen moving to the UK I could take the SAME guns back there and use them, after obtaining a license.

Which states in the US don't require you to hold some type of government document to purchase and use a firearm? And how many states allow foreign residents to own/buy firearms?


49 posted on 10/26/2002 10:22:30 AM PDT by Cpt Sir Richard Burton
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To: Cpt Sir Richard Burton
I'm not an anti-gun nut

Pleased to hear it.

50 posted on 10/26/2002 10:22:51 AM PDT by backhoe
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