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WHY WE MUST VOTE REPUBLICAN
Fiedior Report On the News #293 ^ | 10-27-02 | Doug Fiedor

Posted on 10/26/2002 10:12:21 AM PDT by forest

Everyone seems to have their favorite conspiracies nowadays and we must get "alerted" to four or five new ones a week. So, herein, we shall not be starting yet another.

Still, there is a rather significant point that must be made before the general election next month. Because, there really is a well entrenched organization afoot that is unabashedly reorganizing life in the United States as we know it. This group is not secret. In fact, they hold semipublic meetings in our nation's Capitol and everyone in the Washington press corps know about them.

Fifty years ago, most members of Congress would have quickly labeled the goals and activities of groups like these as "un-American activities." Today, almost all the members of the groups in question are members of the Democratic Party, as well as members of Congress.

So, while this cannot actually be labeled as a secret conspiracy, there really is a workable plan afoot that could put the leadership of most of the important committees in Congress in the hands of people with decidedly un-American intentions.

This study was begun to determine what the House would look like if the Democrats won back control next month. Dick Gephardt would be Speaker, of course. But, that's only the beginning of the problem. Most work is done in the various committees and whoever runs the committees wields much of the power. So, as we do every couple years, we looked to see who the ranking Democrats are on a few important committees and subcommittees. Let's see what will happen this time around if the Democrats win back Congress next month.

The Appropriation Committee has two subcommittees of interest for this study. If the Democrats take the House, the Subcommittee on Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies will be chaired by Marcy Kaptur** (D-Ohio).

Kaptur** received the double asterisk after her name because she is a long-term, active member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus(1). The Progressive Caucus is a socialist organization aligned with the Democratic Socialists of America and the Socialist International(2) network. The Progressive Caucus "platform" (of sorts) can be found on their Progressive Challenge website.(3)

Now that we have noted the use of the double asterisk as a shorthand gimmick, let's return to examining the disgusting situation we could find ourselves in if the Democratic Party is allowed to win back Congress.

The Subcommittee on Foreign Operations, Export Financing and Related Programs could be chaired by Nancy Pelosi** (D-CA). Except, Pelosi** was recently elected by other far left Democratic-socialists to become House Democratic Whip, which means she would be first in line as majority leader if the Democratic Party controlled the House and Gephardt becomes Speaker.

More alarming yet, Pelosi** is currently the ranking Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence -- which exercises oversight of all U.S. government intelligence activities. That means, there is a good chance a card carrying socialist could actually become chairman of Intelligence.

Chairmanship of the House Banking and Financial Services Committee would go to either John J. LaFalce (D-NY) or Bernard Sanders** (S-VT). At the subcommittee level, Barney Frank** (D-MA) would chair Housing and Community Opportunity and/or the Committee on Financial Services. Maxine Waters** (D-CA) would chair the Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy and Bernard Sanders** (S-VT) could chair the General Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee.

Under the House Commerce Committee, Henry A. Waxman** (D-CA) is in line to chair either the Subcommittee on Health and Environment or the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.

Worse, Waxman** (D-CA) would probably take over the powerful House Government Reform Committee. The Committee on Government Reform is the main investigative committee in the U.S. House of Representatives. It has jurisdiction to investigate any federal program and any matter with federal policy implications. As Ranking Member, Waxman** already sits on all of the Government Reform Committee's subcommittees and often disrupts as much as possible.

It appears that John F. Tierney** (D-MA), would get the chairmanship of the Committee on Government Reform's Subcommittee on Energy Policy, Natural Resources and Regulatory Affairs -- which deals with matters relating to the nation's economic growth, competitiveness, natural resources and regulatory reform and paperwork reduction measures.

As ranking member on the Government Reform subcommittee on Government Efficiency, Financial Management and Intergovernmental Relations, Jan Schakowsky** (D-ILL) would chair the committee that supervises agency budgets.

The powerful House Ways and Means Committee would be chaired by Charles B. Rangel (D-NY). The subcommittee on Oversight would be chaired by William J. Coyne, (D-PA) and Pete Stark** (D-CA) would get Health -- whose scope includes taxes, Medicare, Social Security, trade and public assistance.

The Postal Services subcommittee would be chaired by Chaka Fattah** (D-PA).

Lynn Woolsey** (D-CA) is ranking minority member on the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, so would probably chair that. However, Woolsey** is also ranking minority member on the House Science Committee's Subcommittee on Energy and so could choose to chair that committee instead.

Anything could happen on the House Judiciary Committee because John Conyers** (D-MI) (of reparations fame) would be chairman. Or, Conyers** could again become Chairman of the House Committee on Government Operations.

The House Committee on Resources would be another major problem for the American people because George Miller** (D-CA) could become chairman. Miller, we might add, wants to hand over more than half of our nation's public lands to UN and UNESCO control through the biosphere reserve program, so we see great mischief there. Or, Miller** could become Chairman of the Committee on Education and the Workforce.

Peter DeFazio** (D-OR) would chair the Water Resources and Environment Subcommittee which has jurisdiction over the Army Corps of Engineers and Clean Water Act programs.

Jim McGovern** (D-MA) is the third-ranking Democrat on the powerful House Rules Committee and there is an outside possibility he could become chairman of that.

Tom Lantos** (D-CA) would become chairman of the International Relations Committee, which has jurisdiction over all aspects of United States foreign policy, including political relations, security policies, participation in international organizations, human rights, and trade development.

Major R. Owens** (D-NY) would chair the Subcommittee on Workforce Protections of the Committee on Education and the Workforce.

Jerrold Nadler** (D-NY) would chair either the Commercial and Administrative Law Subcommittee or the House Resources Committee and either Nadler** or Mel Watt** (D-NC) could get the chairmanship of the Subcommittee on the Constitution.

The House Veterans Committee would be chaired by Lane Evans** (D- IL). For the subcommittees, Luis V. Gutierrez** (D-IL) would get Health, Bob Filner** (D-CA) could get Benefits and Corrine Brown** (D-FL) Oversight and Investigations.

The House Armed Services Committee's Military Personnel Subcommittee would go to Neil Abercrombie** (D-HI).

John Olver** (D-MA) is Ranking Member (top Democrat) on the Military Construction Subcommittee of Appropriations, so would chair that. As the senior Democrat on the of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee's Subcommittee on Health, Bob Filner** (D-CA) could take that chairmanship.

Donald M. Payne** (D-NJ) is Ranking Member of the International Relations Committee's Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere and Subcommittee on Africa, so would get that chairmanship.

José E. Serrano**, the Democrat Delegate from Puerto Rico, is the ranking minority member of the Appropriations Committee's Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary and would get that chairmanship. Also from Puerto Rico is the Democratic Delegate Carlos Romero-Barceló. He would chair the National Parks & Public Lands Subcommittee. Eni Faleomavaega**, the Delegate from American Samoa, would chair the Fisheries Conservation, Wildlife & Oceans Subcommittee. Robert Underwood, the Delegate from Guam, would chair the Committee on Resources' Subcommittee on Fisheries Conservation, Wildlife and Oceans.

Yes. You read that correctly. People none of us elected to anything would chair committees controlling our commercial law and much of the public lands and conservation in the continental United States -- even though they are not from here. They cannot vote for a bill on the floor of the House, but they can in committee. They can introduce bills, too. Moving on, we find that the House Small Business Committee would be chaired by Nydia Velazquez** (D-NY) and the Government Programs and Oversight Subcommittee by Danny Davis** (D-IL).

So, there you have it. At least thirty important committees in the House will be chaired by card carrying, go to meetin' socialists if the Democrats win. They will have many of the financial committees, some of the military affairs committees and control most of the environmental issues. Their common bond is socialism, which they admit to publicly by membership in the Progressive Caucus.

On the Senate side, Senator Paul Wellstone** (D-Min.) is (was, anyway) Chairman of the Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs -- and a card-carrying member of the Progressive Caucus.

Scratch the surface of the Democratic Party leadership and there are the same five who have been there for years: The Clintons and McAuliffe, of course. But, along with the Clintons, their friends Joe Lieberman and Al From are also card-carrying proponents of "Third Way" socialism in the United States -- just like their European political cohorts like Gerhard Shroeder and Tony Blair, who are Vice Presidents of Socialist International.

The immediate problem started with Lieberman's Democratic Leadership Council (DLC)(4). The DLC was founded in 1985. The past chairs include Bill Clinton and House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt. Then, the chairmanship went back to Joe Lieberman, with Al From as the ever-present Chief Executive Officer. Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) is identified as the current chairman, but it is really Lieberman and From calling all the shots there.

The DLC "think tank" is the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI)(5), which admits to being a "Third Way" socialist organization: "The Progressive Policy Institute is a catalyst for political change. Its mission is to modernize progressive politics and government for the Information Age. Leaving behind the stale left-right debates of the industrial era, PPI is a prolific source of 'Third Way' thinking that is shaping the emerging politics of the 21st century."

An offshoot of the DLC and PPI is The New Democrat Network(NDN)(6). The NDN was founded in 1996 by Senator Joe Lieberman, chairman of the DLC. The NDN "acts as a political venture capital fund to create a new generation of elected officials eager to lead the U.S. and the world into the 21st century and the Internet Age. NDN is committed to electing political leaders who are capable of realizing the great promise of the new century while ensuring that no one is left behind."

NDN has about 65 members in the House and 16 in the senate. Generally speaking, the function of the NDN is to act as the DLC's political action committee and launder soft money to favored Congressional campaign committees.

There is no need to look too hard in the Senate to find un-American activities. Start with the impeachment fiasco and work out. Not one Democratic Senator bothered to even look at the evidence against Clinton. Not even one! Which means, not one Democratic Senator belongs in any position of honor ever again.

We must note, too, that no Democratic Senator came forward to decry their Party's outright violation of our election process. Senator Robert Torricelli (D-NJ) won his New Jersey primary election and the right to place his name on the general election ballot, which he did. When the Democratic Party leadership realized that Torricelli would not win the general election, they violated the will of the voters by coercing him into quitting and stuck 78-year-old socialist Frank Lautenberg in his place.

ome might still remember Lautenberg's first campaign, in 1982. Therein, he ran against 72-year-old Millicent Fenwick. As part of Lautenberg's campaign, he made an issue of age, insinuating she no longer had the capacity to be a senator. She did then. He doesn't today.

But, at least he is alive. In the last few elections the Democratic Party has actually thought it proper to run dead candidates. That fits well with their program, though. They have had dead voters submitting ballots for at least three decades.

Of course, the Democratic Party also fields special teams to visit institutions and collect ballots from Alzheimer’s patients, mental patients and even nursing home patients in comas. So, voting for those who are already dead is just follow-up constituent service for Democrats.

Just last week, in Madison, Wisconsin, prosecutors said that Democratic gubernatorial candidate Jim Doyle's campaign traded food and money to secure votes at a bingo party. Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Dakota, and Nevada were also in the news for voter fraud. In Michigan, Detroit still has not completed counting all the ballots from the primary election that ended many weeks ago and probably never will.

The AFL-CIO is no longer running TV ads aimed at influencing House and Senate races around the country. Instead, they will join with other unions and contribute millions of dollars in "walking around money" for Democratic Party activists. They call it their "get out the vote" drive. In fact, that "drive" has a lot more to do with creating votes than getting people to the correct polling place.

In the last election cycle, Democrats received $46.3 million in soft money from organized labor. Just twelve unions collectively contributed more than $17 million in soft money to Democratic state committees.

Why do Democrats support the failed government school system? They are paid for that support. The National Education Association contributed at least $21 million in the last election -- 95 percent of it to Democrats.

The Association of Trial Lawyers of America gave $19 million to Democrats. And Hollywood entertainment executive Haim Saban, gave at least $11 million to the Democrats -- including a $1 million donation to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees alone contributed at least $30.6 million since the 1989-90 election cycle and over 90% of it went to Democrats. Which means, government employees were bribing their bosses for better pay and benefits.

Most of these groups are very far-left, politically, and/or outwardly socialist groups. All of these groups want something for their money, of course. The Democrats deliver. Therefore, Democratic Party politicians receive plenty of money.

The problem of the Democratic Party is not receiving contributions, it is receiving legal contributions that may be directly used for political campaigns. That is not the type of funding their major contributors favor giving. Therefore, the Democratic Party is often overwhelmed with more so called "soft money" than they can spend legally. Hence, it is common to see them illegally buying votes with money, or whatever other commodity it takes.

Foreign money also comes into play here. Clinton, Gore and Chris Dodd were caught taking cash from communist Chinese, but that is but the tip of that iceberg. Israel launders about a hundred-million dollars into every election cycle. Japan, Inc. isn't far behind Israel. Mexico is getting into the act, as are a variety of South American countries. Most of that money is funneled through lobbyists and Washington law firms to Democrats who will vote correctly.

That is quite illegal, of course. For instance, 2 USC 441e states that it is unlawful for a foreign national to contribute to any political campaign. Yet, the Democratic National Committee knowingly and actively solicits funds from foreign nationals. The DNC also solicits funds from law firms and lobbyists they know to be little more than cut-outs for foreign corporations and governments.

Another law, 18 USC 600, states that, "Whoever promises any contact or other benefit as a consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity may be fined, imprisoned, or both." No one on Capitol Hill pays any attention to that law. There are never any arrests, either. If lobbyists could not promise their clients contacts on Capitol Hill, they would not have much money to contribute to political campaigns.

Also, 18 USC 1956 states that: "Whoever illegally obtains campaign contributions, or knowingly accepts campaign contributions that are laundered in an attempt to conceal the nature, source, ownership or control of the funds, may be fined, imprisoned, or both." Yet, everyone on Capitol Hill knows exactly which lobbyists and Washington legal firms are laundering campaign donation money from clients who cannot legally contribute themselves. They accept the money, anyway.

All of the above applies to the Democrats on Capitol Hill. Unfortunately, some also applies to Republicans -- especially the so called Rockefeller Republicans (often called RINO's -- Republicans In Name Only) who really do not belong in the Republican Party.

But, the point is, Democrats on Capitol Hill tend to be out-and-out socialists. Many are also lawbreakers. All work against the original intent of the authors of our Constitution. Therefore, they consciously and intentionally violate their oath of office and should never be allowed to hold a position in any level of government.

As President Ronald Reagan wisely cautioned: "Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom, and then lost it, have never known it again."

By instilling socialism in the United States, the Democrats intend to usurp our freedom. As an instant correction by peaceful means, we should all vote straight Republican next month. Then, we can cull out the bad Republicans in the next primary election.

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1. <http://bernie.house.gov/pc>

2. <http://www.dsausa.org/si/si.html>

3. <http://www.ips-dc.org/netprogress/>

4. <http://www.ndol.org>

5. <http://www.ppionline.org/index.cfm>

6. <http://www.newdem.org>

 

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There is a well entrenched organization afoot that is unabashedly reorganizing life in the United States as we know it. Fifty years ago, most members of Congress would have quickly labeled the goals and activities of groups like these "un-American activities." Today, almost all the members of the groups in question are members of both the Democratic Party and Congress, people with decidedly un-American intentions.

People none of us elected to anything would chair committees controlling our commercial law and much of the public lands and conservation in the continental United States -- even though they are not from here.

At least thirty important committees in the House will be chaired by card carrying, go to meetin' socialists if the Democrats win. They will have many of the financial committees, some of the military affairs committees and control most of the environmental issues. Their common bond is socialism, which they admit to publicly by membership in the Progressive Caucus.

The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC)"think tank" is the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), which admits to being a "Third Way" socialist organization.

An offshoot of the DLC and PPI is The New Democrat Network (NDN) and acts as a political venture capital fund.

For un-American activities in the Senate, start with the impeachment fiasco. Not one Democratic Senator bothered to even look at the evidence against Clinton. Not even one! Which means, not one Democratic Senator belongs in any position of honor ever again.

But, at least Lautenberg is alive. In the last few elections the Democratic Party has actually thought it proper to run dead candidates.

Democrats on Capitol Hill tend to be out-and-out socialists and lawbreakers working against the original intent of the authors of our Constitution. Therefore, they consciously and intentionally violate their oath of office and should never be allowed to hold a position in any level of government.

As President Ronald Reagan wisely cautioned: "Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom, and then lost it, have never known it again."

1 posted on 10/26/2002 10:12:23 AM PDT by forest
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To: forest
IN 10 DAYS, THEY'LL BE VOTING DEMOCRAT

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TODAY TO HELP TAKE BACK THE SENATE?

TakeBackCongress.org

A resource for conservatives who want a Republican majority in the Senate

2 posted on 10/26/2002 10:19:21 AM PDT by ffrancone
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To: forest
My Libertarian FRiends and fellow independant voters: The democrat party must not be allowed to gain more power.

The democrat party is the focus of "evil" in the modern political scene. IT is far and away the most corrupt, IT makes election fraud a standard operating procedure, IT is determined to sell out our sovereignty to international governance, IT is dedicated to socialism as the guiding political philosophy.

You may not like the Republicans. I'm not that keen on them myself. But, the Democrat party is the unquestioned mortal enemy of America.

Please, VOTE STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN!

3 posted on 10/26/2002 10:20:18 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: All
For those of you not familiar with the alphabet soup political names, a glossary has been prepared for you at

<http://www.uhuh.com/defs.htm>

4 posted on 10/26/2002 10:22:30 AM PDT by forest
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To: forest
This is a tremendous help for all of us who are political junkies. I teach at a college and will use this as ammo. I am also a pastor. I will use this too , unafraid btw. This is why libertarians are wasting their votes. To get anything they really want , even in part, a vote for the GOP candidate is a necessity. Let the Greens destroy the Dems. But, the Libertarians should be coaxed not to destroy the Republic by allowing such people having the power to determine legislation that forrest has displayed in his research. If any GOPer, conservative, Christian voter stays at home on Nov. 5, they ought to be ashamed and deserve nothing but calumny to their lives! This election may tilt our republic to a socialistic future or one which at least has a chance to restore democratic-republican principles.
5 posted on 10/26/2002 10:22:34 AM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: forest
bump
6 posted on 10/26/2002 10:24:27 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: BenLurkin
So true. We no longer have the privilege of choosing the best. We must choose the least worst. Or as my kids would say, the leastest worstest. But at least there are some Constitutionally minded members of the Republican Party in Congress. Tough to find any in the Democratic Party.
7 posted on 10/26/2002 10:26:43 AM PDT by forest
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To: forest
Well said.

The upcoming election is the most important election in at least a generation and for conservatives, may be the most important ever!

As Doug Fiedor has pointed out, if Democrats get control of the Senate and House, it will be a dark day for Republican's everywhere and America in general.

Conservatives have had three huge victories in the last 22 years. Reagan's landslides in 1980 and 1984, and Newt Gingrich's tremendous upset in the 1994 Congressional election. Conservatives even had a little luck come their way in 2000, with the "election" of GWBush to the Presidency. We can't allow this momentum to be halted.

Conservative Republican's, rank and file Republican's and Christian conservatives must unite this November 6th and assure President Bush has a Republican Congress to work with.

This is the challenge for all cosnervatives and Republicans. Let's not fail.

8 posted on 10/26/2002 10:32:53 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: phillyfanatic
This is why libertarians are wasting their votes. To get anything they really want , even in part, a vote for the GOP candidate is a necessity.

Wrong. That is an egregious piece of mis-reasoning. Voting for any candidate who doesn't pass the smell test only strengthens the opposition to those issues that are dearest to me. It doesn't matter what the letter is next to their name. The problem is that the parties have no clue what the people really want, and they try to give people what they THINK people want (e.g. Riordan in California). It is by ignoring the party on occasion or voting contrary to the losers that they occasionally toss us that they learn to back better candidates the next time around. Otherwise, you are just reinforcing their misconception that you liked the loser they handed you last time.

I generally vote Republican in the elections, but I WILL NOT vote for any nominal "Republican" who doesn't meet my standards. Period. By the same token, I occasionally will vote for a Democrat who for some reason is out of line with the rest of the party and actually supports the issues I hold dear to my heart. Some rural "Democrats" are more Republican than some urban "Republicans". If it quacks like a duck...

9 posted on 10/26/2002 10:34:44 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: forest; Doug Fiedor
Amen!

The Socialists have succeeded by a process of patient incrementalism over a century's time. It is foolish (and counterproductive) to presume that the clock can be turned-back in one election... or even one generation.

We must perform our own counter-incrementalism. That means electing folks like Bill Simon and Doug Forrester in the general election... and working in the primary seasons to gradually, steadily improve the field, ratcheting socialism back one notch at a time.

Want to see what the stakes are like? Click here for a fact-sheet on the California Governor's race. Sample factoid: In less than four years, government spending in California has ballooned more than 36%. This is unsustainable, to say the least... but socialists don't care about sustainability, they care about power. So print it out and distribute it to friends, schools, places of worship, businesses. It's critical that the socialists be defeated, and now is not the time to throw your vote away on a third-party candidate. You can make a difference for Liberty.
10 posted on 10/26/2002 10:36:18 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast
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To: forest
We no longer have the privilege of choosing the best. We must choose the least worst.

That's long been the drumbeat of Demopublicans and Republicrats. Well, I've been voting mostly GOP for years, and things only got worse -- even when the GOP won.

Currently, the GOP is "least worst" on socialism. But the Dems are "least worst" on the current war hysteria. So they even out.

Come November, I'm voting straight Libertarian.

11 posted on 10/26/2002 10:36:23 AM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: phillyfanatic
Sound, well defined reply. Thank you.
12 posted on 10/26/2002 10:37:23 AM PDT by forest
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To: ffrancone
By instilling socialism in the United States, the Democrats intend to usurp our freedom.

The Democratic Party will eventually "nationalize" all major corporations in the US. If you think this means only Exxon and GM, think about Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard. Think about your 401K being run by an accountant appointed by a person of the likes of Al Gore. If you are one of those voters that think the government should do more for you, wait until the government begins to do things to you. Think about health care from the DMV.

Vote Democrat? Then cut off your hand, for it has offended thee.

13 posted on 10/26/2002 10:40:03 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: Commie Basher
Why don't you just vote Democrat and save the trouble and hassle of adjustment? Same thing. You might look a bit deeper.
14 posted on 10/26/2002 10:41:08 AM PDT by forest
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To: Commie Basher
That's long been the drumbeat of Demopublicans and Republicrats. Well, I've been voting mostly GOP for years, and things only got worse -- even when the GOP won.

Currently, the GOP is "least worst" on socialism. But the Dems are "least worst" on the current war hysteria. So they even out.

Come November, I'm voting straight Libertarian.

Locally I'll vote (LP)...nationally I'll vote (R) until the (LP) gets a base, gets the Harry Browne's out of the party, and their act together.

15 posted on 10/26/2002 10:44:39 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: forest
Reject the 666. Vote 'No' to democrats in November.
16 posted on 10/26/2002 10:46:39 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
To Reply #10

That is an excellent brochure you hot linked on Simon and Davis. It tells it like it is with facts. I will definitely print it out and distribute it to everyone I know. You must have spent hours on it. Well done. Thanks for your help.

17 posted on 10/26/2002 10:56:59 AM PDT by forest
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To: forest
Why don't you just vote Democrat and save the trouble and hassle of adjustment? Same thing.

Maybe they're secretly Democrat sympathizers. Who really knows what the agenda of the libertarian party is? It constantly tries to get Democrats in office but splitting the right wing vote. It often works. That's how we got Clinton, isn't it? Didn't they vote Perot?

18 posted on 10/26/2002 10:58:00 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: forest
Why don't you just vote Democrat and save the trouble and hassle of adjustment?

I agree. Those who vote Libertarian, in a fit of pique at Republicans, are wasting ammunition.

I can't claim that the Republican party, right now, is anywhere near the principles of Goldwater and Reagan, but I do know the Democrats are much closer to Marx and Lenin than they have been since the Depression. The "Fellow Traveler's" grandsons have grown up in a society that does not recognize the collectivist. They are now high in the Democratic Party. The Dem Donkey has a hammer and sickle brand on its rump.

If you vote against Republicans and we can all call each other "Comrade". Soon.

19 posted on 10/26/2002 11:02:31 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: forest
Worse, Waxman** (D-CA) would probably take over the powerful House Government Reform Committee.

Scary thought.

20 posted on 10/26/2002 11:07:22 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: forest
Thanks for the post!
21 posted on 10/26/2002 11:10:44 AM PDT by windchime
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To: elbucko
The Democratic Party will eventually "nationalize" all major corporations in the US.

And the Republicans will "globalize" all major corporations, feeding the beasts with cheap (legal and illegal) immigrant labor at home, and shipping all the jobs they can overseas.

I'm in Massachusetts, and looking to vote for Jill Stein (the Green candidate) for Governor. Why? She's the only one who answers the questions she's asked. And I'm still really, really angry about Mitt Romney's treatment of Jim Rappaport.

22 posted on 10/26/2002 11:10:47 AM PDT by grania
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To: grania
And the Republicans will "globalize" all major corporations, feeding the beasts with cheap (legal and illegal) immigrant labor at home, and shipping all the jobs they can overseas.

Gosh. All those people taken off the public teet. Hey....wait a minute.What's wrong with that?

23 posted on 10/26/2002 11:18:00 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: forest
Republicans support many of the inventions of these "unAmericans." Such as the Income tax and campaign finance reform.

Vote Republican? Fat chance.

24 posted on 10/26/2002 11:18:27 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: concerned about politics
Who really knows what the agenda of the libertarian party is? It constantly tries to get Democrats in office but splitting the right wing vote. It often works.

This argument is getting real old...

The real question is: Who really knows what the agenda of the Republican party is?...it sure as hell hasn't been for a smaller conservative government within recent years has it? People don't vote for (LP) candidates because they WANT more Democrats in office (or simply because they want to smoke their dope..pls don't go there)...they vote for them because they want a smaller conservative goverment and people that support it as their political representatives (meaning NOT RINO's). If they have to go to (LP) to vote for that candidate...so be it.

While I realize that a (R) controlled Senate is most important come Nov (which I intended to help make happen by my vote), it can't be the endgoal...the (R)'s need to take that majority and start ACTING like conservatives and get some cajones in dealing with the liberal scum that only seek to destroy America. If they don't, in time, they will become totally irrelevant and indistinguishable from the Democrats. I don't know about you...but my patience is running short.

25 posted on 10/26/2002 11:23:18 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: Demidog
Vote Republican? Fat chance.

You'll have to admit, Demidog, that chance is better than a libertarian winning anything.

26 posted on 10/26/2002 11:23:46 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Commie Basher
" Currently, the GOP is "least worst" on socialism. "

This current GOP administration is the most socialist, anti-Constitutional Republican administration in history.

This comes after the 1994 Republican "revolution" which was a pro-Constitution, anti-Clinton/socialism reaction.

That "revolution" was quenched not by Democrats but by Republicans.

The Republican Party has clearly demonstrated it will do all that is necessary to placate the anti-socialist voters whilst disempowering any true anti-socialist Representatives. They have almost completely cleaned House of the revolutionaries. Only Ron Paul remains as a pro-Constitution Republican. He has been "dutifully" isolated.

50 years of appeasement (voting the lesser of 2 evils) has made matters worse, not better.

Both parties are the problem, simultaneously. The problem is not voters who demand fidelity to the Constitution.

That people on FreeRepublic would on the one hand laud Thomas Jefferson's principles yet on the other hand criticize fellow Freepers who would uphold those principles is sheer hypocrisy, and folly to boot.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795. ME 9:317

27 posted on 10/26/2002 11:24:42 AM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
People don't vote for (LP) candidates because they WANT more Democrats in office

Ummmmm. Really? That's what happens, anyway. Wouldn't they have noticed that by now?

28 posted on 10/26/2002 11:26:53 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
You'll have to admit, Demidog, that chance is better than a libertarian winning anything.

I won't have to admit any such thing. There are over 300 libertarians in office.

29 posted on 10/26/2002 11:29:37 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
While I realize that a (R) controlled Senate is most important come Nov (which I intended to help make happen by my vote), it can't be the endgoal...the (R)'s need to take that majority and start ACTING like conservatives and get some cajones in dealing with the liberal scum that only seek to destroy America.

Unless we get the full backing of all right wingers, that'll never happen. Repubs need to stay in control long enough to make it happen. Fighting off thouchie feelie Marxist propaganda isn't easy.

30 posted on 10/26/2002 11:29:41 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
"You'll have to admit, Demidog, that chance is better than a libertarian winning anything. "

That you are concerned about how a libertarian may vote is ample proof that they are not irrelevant.

31 posted on 10/26/2002 11:29:45 AM PDT by Mark Felton
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To: concerned about politics
You'll have to admit, Demidog, that chance is better than a libertarian winning anything.

Funny...If people thought along those line in the 1860's Lincoln would've never been president.

32 posted on 10/26/2002 11:32:15 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: forest
Bttt.

5.56mm

33 posted on 10/26/2002 11:32:53 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Demidog
I won't have to admit any such thing. There are over 300 libertarians in office.

I had no idea. Republicans need to fix that. As long as that number exists, Republicans are losing votes,and Democrats win.
We need to stop that movement from getting any stronger. It doesn't help at all.

34 posted on 10/26/2002 11:32:55 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
As long as that number exists, Republicans are losing votes,and Democrats win.

No...libertarians win as evidenced by libertarian victories.

35 posted on 10/26/2002 11:35:58 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: forest
FOX -- Press release comming up from Colin Powell.
36 posted on 10/26/2002 11:37:40 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Reagan Man
If anyone needs a reason to vote Republican, turn on CSPAN right now.
37 posted on 10/26/2002 11:38:15 AM PDT by rintense
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To: BenLurkin
My Libertarian FRiends and fellow independant voters:
The democrat party must not be allowed to gain more power.

Dear Ben,

  Why does your party deserve any Libertarian support
  while Ashcroft is allowed to run roughshod over the
  Tenth Amendment?  Would it be so unheard of
  for the party to make a gesture of support towards
  some amendment other than the second?  It need
  not be such a small tent.  Move a little in the
  direction of third parties and rake in the votes.
   Moving wholeheartedly towards the left
   and the democratic issues seems to be no
   problem. Why the refusal to court independent
   and libertarian votes?

             Puzzled.

38 posted on 10/26/2002 11:38:44 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: concerned about politics
Me:And the Republicans will "globalize" all major corporations, feeding the beasts with cheap (legal and illegal) immigrant labor at home, and shipping all the jobs they can overseas.

You:Gosh. All those people taken off the public teet. Hey....wait a minute.What's wrong with that?

For US workers, it means less income and more negative impact on our culture and security.

39 posted on 10/26/2002 11:39:10 AM PDT by grania
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To: gcruse
Would it be so unheard of for the party to make a gesture of support towards some amendment other than the second?

When has the republican party ever suppported the second amendment?

40 posted on 10/26/2002 11:39:50 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: concerned about politics
Ummmmm. Really? That's what happens, anyway. Wouldn't they have noticed that by now?

Oh come on...other than the Reagan administration I havent noticed much from the (R)'s either...The only ones I see that have any promise are Paul and Tancredo...and they're considered "fringe extremists" by most in the party anyway.

41 posted on 10/26/2002 11:40:20 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus
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To: Demidog
No...libertarians win as evidenced by libertarian victories.

Well, I hope it's a short lived fad. Geeez. I would never vote Libertarian. If they ever gained national status over Republicans, I'd sit that vote out, that's for sure. Nothing personal, I just don't care for the party at all.

42 posted on 10/26/2002 11:41:12 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Mark Felton
That you are concerned about how a libertarian may vote is ample proof that they are not irrelevant.

Did he say irrelevant (I think he clearly understands the need for each and every vote otherwise this whole thread would not be listed), a one vote difference in a close election is possible. I think we feel that the vote would be lost for his party (just like voting for the communist/green/ect party) and would likely decide "JUST" the outcome of the other main canidates. That makes each vote count and relevant. Make your informed decisions on how best to vote, no one can change ones pattern in the voting booth and I am afraid that just bitterness will overcome rational.

43 posted on 10/26/2002 11:41:50 AM PDT by LowOiL
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To: BenLurkin
Already voted.

I never straight ticket anything, but this was the closest I've gone to it. I swayed in two smaller races. I also left one judge spot blank for appeals because of his gun stance(Patrick Meter did not get my vote). Too bad he was unopposed.

Went GOP down the line from Governor, Senate, State Rep and Senate down to the local governmental offices. Luckily I live in a good area, and only held my nose for two of them(one for being outworked, another for Supreme Court judge - Weaver)

I do have my limits. Flat out gun grabbers will not get my vote. Gun moderates maybe. Some are so bad, that I'll go dem(McCain, A Riordan type, Joe Schwarz is borderline). It's a cost benefit analysis.

44 posted on 10/26/2002 11:43:07 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: concerned about politics
Well, I hope it's a short lived fad.

It isn't.

45 posted on 10/26/2002 11:44:25 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: forest
Democrats have absolutely no idea what the "third way" is and there are no "card carrying" socialist. Many years ago there were card carrying communist -- back in the 40 and 50's but they were told to destroy their cards. But, you are totally right that we don't want criminal type Democrats running things.

The DLC "think tank" is the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI)(5), which admits to being a "Third Way" socialist organization:

46 posted on 10/26/2002 11:44:53 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Demidog
Most of those are in NON PARTISAN offices. The only exception I can think of is a sheriff office in Colorado.
47 posted on 10/26/2002 11:44:57 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
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To: Dan from Michigan
Most of those are in NON PARTISAN offices.

No matter. To say that they don't win is a lie.

48 posted on 10/26/2002 11:46:11 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
When has the republican party ever suppported the second amendment?

Ack.  Pass the coffee.  I meant, of course, RKBA.

49 posted on 10/26/2002 11:46:59 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: Demidog
It isn't.

We'll see. It depends on how popular Bush stays. Add Bush to Reagan,and we have winners.
If libertarians do become stronger, my vote will have to go to their opposition. I'm not liberal at all. I don't think it's good for America. I have kids.

50 posted on 10/26/2002 11:47:12 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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