Student reached out to Malvo (SNIPER)

Bellingham Herald ^ | October 26th, 2002 | John Stark

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PEOPLE: Cheerleader says new student was always smiling, laughing.

Bellingham High School cheerleader Briana Axelsson is the kind of person who wants to make newcomers feel welcome, so it seemed like a natural thing to her to sit down with John Lee Malvo in the high school cafeteria in the fall of 2001.

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((((((growl)))))

[Inyokern]

He also told her that his dad had been sent to Bellingham by some kind of group, perhaps a military group, but the details were hazy.

Nothing to see here. Move on.

[Vidalia]

Bellingham High School cheerleader Briana Axelsson...

Great story about another airhead and a killer...

[Inyokern]

Great story about another airhead and a killer...

Does anyone in the state of Washington have a normal brain???

[luckymom]

yeah, plenty of us do... but why would you read about that in the news?

[Vidalia]

Surely the EPA has checked the water over there, but hell, let's balme it on the Valdez spill...

[FR_addict]

I think you are being unfair to this young lady. She was only trying to be friendly to someone new to the school. I give her high marks for caring.

There was no way for her to know this young man would be part of the sniper shooting. She is just telling what she knew about the boy. The authorities should have listened to the boys mother, when she tried to get him away from Mohammed. There was something going on here. Sounds like man/boy pedophilia to me, but this won't be discussed by the PC crowd.

[spetznaz]

I just saw some students in that highschool Malvo attended say that he was a very nice chap, and they could not believe that it was him who did it. Which is quite interesting because these clean cut kids are defending someone who is for all purposes part of the sniping spree.

I guess this might be a Dr. Jekyl/ Mr. Hyde phenomenom where Malvo may have been a good chap at school but outside he was a terror since i doubt those kids would try to defend a killer outright. Or maybe the kid was basically within the norm limits of decency until he met Muhammad at the homeless center (one thing that is for certain is that the defence will surely try that one out during the trial). However whatever the impetus that duo still shot people without caring about the consequences of their actions, meaning that even if the kid was indoctrinated he would still be deserving of punishment (unless the defense says the kid was 'possessed' by Muhammad and became an automaton with no control over his actions).

That might seem ludicrous, but remember the legal system does not necessarily follow justice but the legal process (there is a subtle difference between the two, and in some cases like OJ Simpson the divergence can be more overt than subtle). However in this case i really doubt this murderous duo will walk free because for a person to pull of legal juijitsu then a very (or better yet extremely) competent lawyer (or better yet law team) is required that has a perfect grasp of jurisprudence, plus an ability to pick up mistakes made by the prosecution and use them to their advantage (eg think how the LAPD provided the defense with ammunition like 'tampered' crime scenes and investigators who had been making racial remarks in public). This lawyer (law team) requires a lot of money, a whole lot of money .....and that is one thing these two fellas do not have! Meaning they will have to rely on a court provided 'defence' which means they are certain to be prosecuted (lol, i saw the lawyer provided for that kook Muhammad being interviewed and that guy is either not adept at law or he is holding back for the trial, lol). Thus these guys will thankfully be prosecuted, unless some bolt out of the blue occurs, which in a case of people with little money is highly improbable if not impossible.

And as an aside i also saw a family member being interviewed, and she said that she saw that Muhammad guy force Malvo to sustain himself on a diet of honey and crackers (lol, yep, you read that right)!

Personally i find the relationship between Muhammad and Malvo very 'suspect.'

[Pookie Me]

Malvo never ate lunch

SPACE ALIENS! I knew it! And you thought he was picked up by Immigration 'cause he was from Jamaica!

Pookie & Me

[weikel]

A lot of chicks like ah***s this isn't news. I'd be surprised if something like this didn't come up.

[weikel]

Personally i find the relationship between Muhammad and Malvo very 'suspect.'

Just an airhead girl I doubt she had anything to do with it. Repeal the 19th amendment.

[FITZ]

Or maybe the kid was basically within the norm limits of decency until he met Muhammad at the homeless center

That's what I think. The older man took advantage of him, used him sexually and took power over him. Even the mainstream media who won't call it a homosexual relationship does refer to Mohammed as a Svengali type over Malvo.

[Vidalia]

...high marks for caring.

Thoughtful "Caring" is one thing, but caring without thought is another world of worms.

This little caregiver might want to do a bit of homework on her new found friends, especially since 9/11, but then again, she probably doesn't have any idea that Calipso Louis and Malik Shabazz even exist, and that she would be a great sex toy for their organizations if they ever get the chance to "take over".

Luckily, she will never find that out...

[Rocksalt]

"Personally i find the relationship between Muhammad and Malvo very 'suspect.'"

This could be the case,but I have not heard anything concrete to prove there might have been any "man-boy" type of thing.There are alot of people out there who are suggesting that may have been the situation,and I'm wondering if it is because they love to hear about this type of thing,or what.

[weikel]

Actually I remember a Bill Hicks routine( hes a real leftist but this was funny) about how a crowd of women were outside of the courthouse where Ted Bundy was being tried trying to give him love letters and wedding proposals.

[weikel]

Him? This is a girl.

[weikel]

Oh you mean Mohammed over Malvo? Nah I don't think it was like that...

[sabe@q.com]

You're readng into this... It seems he expressed an interest in her... If he was homosexual he wouldn't have. If he was being abused sexually he surely wouldn't have...

[45semi]

Axelsson saw Malvo as one of many school friends, but Malvo may have wanted something more from the relationship. He sent her a small greeting card that had a picture of a coffee cup on the front, with an inscription that said something about the joy of waking up with coffee. Inside, the card said, "I hope you like it dark.
Nah, I dont think he was gay.

Just trying to show her 'dat old black magic!

[abner]

He also told her that his dad had been sent to Bellingham by some kind of group, perhaps a military group, but the details were hazy. Axelsson got the impression that perhaps Malvo's dad was still in the armed forces.

Here is the thing about the article that JUMPS out at me..

Malvo's dad IS still in the armed forces, just not ours.

[FITZ]

Maybe. I had read in the mainstream press that Mohammed had a Svengali-like influence over Malvo which usually means sexual also.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[fatguy]

Great story about another airhead and a killer...

Based on the article, what makes you think she's an airhead. I would have guessed that she's a kind person.

[Misterioso]

Maybe. I had read in the mainstream press that Mohammed had a Svengali-like influence over Malvo which usually means sexual also.

No it doesn't. You don't know what you are talking about.

[Vidalia]

I would have guessed that she's a kind person.

She is benign, her "friend" was not.

Intelligent folk have the capacity to be "kind".

"Kind" people, like many animals, do not necessarily have the capacity of intelligence and rationality.

One sided gushing friendships is what gets people and their nations killed...

[Hildy]

Axelsson saw Malvo as one of many school friends, but Malvo may have wanted something more from the relationship. He sent her a small greeting card that had a picture of a coffee cup on the front, with an inscription that said something about the joy of waking up with coffee.

Inside, the card said, "I hope you like it dark."

OMG. This is what high school kids are saying to each other????? Yikes.

[Hildy]

Just on the face value, with the information we have, it seems like this Williams fellow liked to have a bit of power. Since the women in his life wouldn't put up with it, he did the only thing he could: find a young man who he could force his will on.

[Travis McGee]

Our public schools are so far gone that no one thought it unusual when the bright young Jamaican "immigrant" got up to read his essays in class calling for death to America.

[TransOxus]

What was her response? Got milk? Or "its not Thanksgiving yet!"

[BfloGuy]

This kid, Malvo, did whatever it will turn out that he did; and he must suffer the consequences.

This does not mean (for Pete's sake, he's seventeen) that he was a monster. It looks as if he did fall under this Mohammed's influence. And, yes, sexual molestation could be part of it.

I know a lot of the hostility here has to do with society's seeming willingness to excuse bad behavior if the motives are pure, but this little girl and this young man were behaving pretty normally.

He went on to behave pretty abnormally; don't jump off the deep end when people in his past remember him well.

[DWSUWF]

"...Maybe. I had read in the mainstream press that Mohammed had a Svengali-like influence over Malvo which usually means sexual also..."

I think that you're on the right track.

I called 'homo-hijinks' on this daring duo the day they were caught.

Bet it turns out that way, when finally the truth is dribbled out.

[FITZ]

I think it will turn out that way too ----how many 17 year olds are hanging around much older men because they need a buddy and 17 year olds don't often hang around their own dads much less step-dads or step-boyfriends, they're out with girlfriends or hanging around their peers.

At one point the police seemed to be looking for a white man with a female accomplice, Malvo seems to be feminine in the way he writes.

[DWSUWF]

"...17 year olds don't often hang around their own dads much less step-dads or step-boyfriends, they're out with girlfriends or hanging around their peers..."

At Malvo's age my primary contact with non-biologically-related older males was:

1) Teachers

2) Traffic Cops

3) Irate fathers of teenage girls

In pretty much that order.

There's something swishy going on here. Those who can't see it are not paying close enough attention, are hopelessly naive or are homo-apologists.

[Amelia]

how many 17 year olds are hanging around much older men because they need a buddy and 17 year olds don't often hang around their own dads much less step-dads or step-boyfriends, they're out with girlfriends or hanging around their peers.

I'm not sure, but I know there are a lot of teenagers now who don't have a father-figure in their lives at all. None, nada, zip. Some of them do crave a masculine role model.

[Amelia]

OMG. This is what high school kids are saying to each other????? Yikes.

Actually, that's one of the milder things they are saying to each other. And more often than not, it's the girls who are saying it to the boys.

[FITZ]

Of course those kind are more easily victimized by chicken hawks. Mohammed had kids of his own, it's a little strange he would go to such lengths to "adopt" a kid when he wasn't seeing his own.

[FR_addict]

You're readng into this... It seems he expressed an interest in her... If he was homosexual he wouldn't have. If he was being abused sexually he surely wouldn't have...

Bisexual was a common term when I was young. It seems to have disappeared from our vocabulary around the time the PC crowd stated that homosexuals are born that way. I have known bisexuals that were definitely interested in women. Some of the Hollywood crowd swing both ways.

Many abusers fall in love with their abusers. Note the recent murder of the father of two young boys where both the boys and the pedophile were indicted for the murder.

I don't see anything unusual about Malvo expressing an interest in the girl. He was probably heterosexual in his natural desires.

I do think this young man was probably being molested by the older man, he thought of as a father. Their relationship sounded like it was probably based on a powerful influence by the older man and what better way to control a child than sex. This young man is seventeen now. It sounds like this unhealthy relationship started at least a few years ago.

Don't get me wrong. Malvo is guilty of these crimes too. I just think that he was more than likely a victim of abuse and brainwashing by the older man. That doesn't excuse the crimes. However, if the state had done something about Mohammed at the time the mother tried to get the state to intervene, perhaps there would have been a different outcome for Malvo.

[Shermy]

"He also told her that his dad had been sent to Bellingham by some kind of group, perhaps a military group, but the details were hazy. Axelsson got the impression that perhaps Malvo's dad was still in the armed forces. "

Sounds like a jihadist group.

[Hatteras]

Oh, Daddy, how come you never like any of the boys I bring home?!

BTW..."I hope you like it dark"? Boys will be boys...

[Grampa Dave]

John Muhammed, Decorated sniper of the Army of the Nation of Islam.

One of our main concerns when we were uncovering the dirty laundery on the al Fuqra group near Clovis was their firing range.

They were not shooting military type weapons to hunt Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck or Bambi!

Did John Mohammed make a trip to the al Fuqra encampment near Clovis to teach some al Fuqra brothers how to be a sniper while he was doing his frequent flyer trips out of Washington?

Muhammed and other killers of the Nation of Islam consider themselves to be in the Army of the Nation of Islam.

[Shermy]

"[Malvo} also told her that his dad had been sent to Bellingham by some kind of group, perhaps a military group, but the details were hazy. Axelsson got the impression that perhaps Malvo's dad was still in the armed forces. "

G'night.

[Shermy]

"[Malvo} also told her that his dad had been sent to Bellingham by some kind of group, perhaps a military group, but the details were hazy. Axelsson got the impression that perhaps Malvo's dad was still in the armed forces. "

G'night too.

[~Kim4VRWC's~]

FYI...I missed this thread last oct..see post #43 ....was bumped tonight...

[Grampa Dave]

Bumping this thread again!

[Sacajaweau]

They should have listened to the Malvo's mother when she tried to get him away from Mohammed?? Very confusing since she was herself an illegal involved with Mohammed (probably more than we think). She has a very shakey background in MANY ways and I wouldn't be surprised if she KNEW they were the snipers when it was going down.