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Sniper Escape Bid (Sniper stopped 10 times for traffic offenses) KeystoneKops alert!
News of the World ^

Posted on 10/27/2002 3:31:26 AM PST by ovrtaxt

SMIRKING ASSASSINS: Malvo and Muhammad in the home of a woman cops believe could be another victim.

FEAR: The Rev. Al Archer warned cops
POLICE SEIZE THIRD MAN
A THIRD man who bought the Chevy killing machine with sniper John Muhammad was arrested yesterday.

Nathanial Osbourne, 26, was at the car lot in Trenton, New Jersey, and his name was entered on the log book as co-owner. The ex-undercover police car was registered to an address where the Jamaican immigrant occasionally lives. The FBI put him on their "most-wanted" website. An investigation source said: "The FBI don't go to such lengths just to talk to someone. This guy could be well implicated."


SNIPER ESCAPE BID
FBI agents grab him as he flees

THE 17-year-old Washington sniper made a dramatic freedom bid—by punching his way through the CEILING of an interview room.

John Lee Malvo seized his chance after being left alone by FBI interrogators.

He leapt on a table and quickly smashed the flimsy ceiling tiles with his fists—then began hauling himself up into a ventilation shaft.

Agents dashed into the room, grabbed his flailing legs and wrenched the struggling teenager back down.

Last night the FBI refused to comment on the embarrassing incident at the "secure" and secret federal centre in Baltimore, Maryland.

Malvo and fellow sniper John Muhammad, 41—who face the death penalty in seven different jurisdictions —are refusing to help enquiries into their reign of terror in the US capital.

Posed

One agent said: "Never mind co-operation. They're not even talking."

The pair—who killed ten and wounded three in a 21-day spree— could also be charged with an unsolved murder on America's west coast.

Keenya Cook, 21, was killed in February with a single head shot as she opened her front door in Tacoma, Washington State, where Muhammad and Malvo were living at the time.

The assassins were friends with her family—and even posed for the now infamous picture together on their sofa.

But ex-Army marksman Muhammad, who changed his name from Williams because he converted to Islam, fell out with the Cooks when they befriended his ex-wife.

Claims of warnings about the pair to police BEFORE the killings started were piling up last night.

The Rev Al Archer, who runs the Lighthouse Mission Centre in Bellingham where the pair once lived, said he suspected the Gulf War veteran was a terrorist after September 11.

He said Muhammad distributed pro-Islam brochures, made anti-American slurs and also threatened to kill cops. He added: "If he'd been stopped at that time, a lot of people would be alive who are now dead."

Mr Archer revealed that Muhammad, who was existing on handouts, started travelling extensively by air. Harjeep Singh, who knew the snipers at a YMCA gym, said he was alarmed at their vow to go on a gun-rampage, targetting cops and fuel tankers.

Police and an FBI agent interviewed Mr Singh but no action was taken.

There were also chilling new revelations last night about how Malvo and Muhammad mocked police by repeatedly slipping through dragnets.

Their 1990 blue Chevrolet Caprice— a killing machine with holes in the boot to fire through—was first noted by police on October 3, just 24 hours after the first killing. But it was lost in the system while the entire hunt centred on a white van.

Meanwhile, Muhammad was stopped or spoken to by officers TEN times for various traffic offences.

During a spot-check on October 8, he was parked and asleep at the wheel. But cops failed to look in the boot, where they would have found the Bushmaster XM15 rifle.

The most chilling escape was last Monday when two illegal immigrants in a white van were held in a swoop as they used a phone booth being staked out by cops.

Muhammad and Malvo had given the number of the booth to detectives in a phone call. And just yards away, they were lurking in their blue Chevy, watching every move in the fiasco.

The car was even caught in the background on news footage—and still the jigsaw did not piece together.

Finally, police realised the car they were looking for. But Chief Charles Moose refused to reveal the number plate. It was only when one of his team leaked it that the pair were found one-and-a-half hours later.

 

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They stopped him TEN TIMES since Oct. 3rd? And the FBI was told about this guy repeatedly from many sources? He should have been picked up months ago on those charges alone! What's up with our law enforcement? Im very pro cop, but this can't be ignored.

1 posted on 10/27/2002 3:31:26 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
The most chilling escape was last Monday when two illegal immigrants in a white van were held in a swoop as they used a phone booth being staked out by cops.

Muhammad and Malvo had given the number of the booth to detectives in a phone call. And just yards away, they were lurking in their blue Chevy, watching every move in the fiasco.

The car was even caught in the background on news footage—and still the jigsaw did not piece together.

Does anyone have saved pics from the news coverage that day? What an indictment. They were only yards away!! ARGGH! The family of that last victim have got to be upset at this.

2 posted on 10/27/2002 3:35:36 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
If even some of the stories about these murderers are true they have to be the dumbest of the dumb. Surely they couldn't be smart enough to know that the whole law enforcement community is so hung up on political correctness and incompetence that the murderers could use it to their advantage. But then maybe most career criminals know what many honest people don't know or aren't willing to admit about law enforcement.
3 posted on 10/27/2002 3:38:21 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: FreePaul
I agree, this was a battle of wits...at the lowest level

ANDREW SULLIVAN: Did PC policing extend the snipers' range?

4 posted on 10/27/2002 3:41:31 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: ovrtaxt
Muhammad and Malvo had given the number of the booth to detectives in a phone call. And just yards away, they were lurking in their blue Chevy, watching every move in the fiasco.

I remember reading a FReeper's post on one of the shooting threads who thought the Snipers were observing the keystone cops and laughing their @sses off.

5 posted on 10/27/2002 3:43:17 AM PST by demlosers
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To: FreePaul
If we decided to grow a pair and fight this war the way it's supposed to be fought, EVERY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT would be on the way out, Concealed/Carry permits would be way up, and the INS waould actually be doing something other than eating donuts. Political Correctness has now cost us ten lives around the DC area. Who's next?
6 posted on 10/27/2002 3:44:42 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
What's up with our law enforcement? Im very pro cop, but this can't be ignored.

Afraid of the dreaded "profiling" canard. And the Feds, rather than being accused of panic-mongering, would rather harrass grandmothers at the airport.

Both are better options for them as it reduces public criticism and negative press coverage. They'd suffer at the hands of Congress or other appropriating authority proportionately. And the money is the goal.

7 posted on 10/27/2002 3:45:54 AM PST by woofer
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To: ovrtaxt
Moose refused to reveal the number plate. It was only when one of his team leaked it that the pair were found one-and-a-half hours later.

This, if true, is scary!!

8 posted on 10/27/2002 3:50:03 AM PST by evad
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To: ovrtaxt
Mr Archer revealed that Muhammad, who was existing on handouts, started travelling extensively by air.

So where did he get all those funds to travel extensively by air?

9 posted on 10/27/2002 3:51:46 AM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: ovrtaxt
Political Correctness has now cost us ten lives around the DC area.

Agreed. Political correctness has permeated all the way from the top to the bottom. It is a generalized fear by the police not to appear to accuse thugs of certain groups for fear of offending PC sensibilities.

Just like its ugly counterpart on the other extereme, racisim, it is ingrained in society and will continue until confronted.

10 posted on 10/27/2002 3:53:35 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: evad
I think they were afraid of vigilantes looking out for this creep on their own. I don't have a problem with that scenario personally. A covertly armed citizen on every corner? I'll take that any day.

It used to be called a posse. Very effective way to deal with scum like this.

11 posted on 10/27/2002 3:53:54 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: spycatcher
I agree, this was a battle of wits...at the lowest level

The Special Olympics of crime and punishment ...

12 posted on 10/27/2002 3:54:22 AM PST by Yeti
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To: ovrtaxt
Political Correctness has now cost us ten lives around the DC area.

Gun don't kill..
P C KILLS.
Be on the lookout for it..it's everywhere :(

13 posted on 10/27/2002 3:54:27 AM PST by evad
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To: FreePaul
Man, I'm sick of reading this mentality:

"...the whole law enforcement community is so hung up on political correctness
and incompetence that the murderers could use it to their advantage
....."

It's called FREEDOM and it's something we all enjoy equally. When we allow
our "law enforcement" agencies to control freedom without just cause, or
acting on a "hunch", we all lose all our freedom.

You cannot be detained without just cause.

At the time those suspected killers were stopped, the police did not have
sufficient reason to detain them.

True freedom does not guarantee safety and protection, it guarantees you the
ability to protect yourself.

We've been brainwashed by the liberal camp, to rely on "Law enforcement"
for our mere existence.

UGH.

 

14 posted on 10/27/2002 3:54:48 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Yes, we have to differentiate between discrimination and racism. I discriminate when I choose to hang around certain types of people and avoid other types. Mouth breathing wrestling fans come to mind. Or frequenters of strip clubs. You get the idea.

Racism is the belief in the genetic or inherent superiority of one race over another. (Now I believe that Formula 1 is superior to Nascar, but that's a different kind of race.)

15 posted on 10/27/2002 3:58:38 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
A covertly armed citizen on every corner?

I dunno about every corner but citizens are definitely beginning to carry.

I know I do now and I'm in a show cause state..the peoples republic of Md.

16 posted on 10/27/2002 4:01:59 AM PST by evad
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To: Deep_6
You said:At the time those suspected killers were stopped, the police did not have sufficient reason to detain them.

Read the article! Here's your answer:

"The pair—who killed ten and wounded three in a 21-day spree— could also be charged with an unsolved murder on America's west coast.

Keenya Cook, 21, was killed in February with a single head shot as she opened her front door in Tacoma, Washington State, where Muhammad and Malvo were living at the time.

The assassins were friends with her family—and even posed for the now infamous picture together on their sofa.

But ex-Army marksman Muhammad, who changed his name from Williams because he converted to Islam, fell out with the Cooks when they befriended his ex-wife.

Claims of warnings about the pair to police BEFORE the killings started were piling up last night.

The Rev Al Archer, who runs the Lighthouse Mission Centre in Bellingham where the pair once lived, said he suspected the Gulf War veteran was a terrorist after September 11.

He said Muhammad distributed pro-Islam brochures, made anti-American slurs and also threatened to kill cops. He added: "If he'd been stopped at that time, a lot of people would be alive who are now dead."

Mr Archer revealed that Muhammad, who was existing on handouts, started travelling extensively by air. Harjeep Singh, who knew the snipers at a YMCA gym, said he was alarmed at their vow to go on a gun-rampage, targetting cops and fuel tankers.

Police and an FBI agent interviewed Mr Singh but no action was taken. "
17 posted on 10/27/2002 4:03:14 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: Deep_6
It's called FREEDOM and it's something we all enjoy equally ...

You cannot be detained without just cause.

Finally, police realised the car they were looking for. But Chief Charles Moose REFUSED to reveal the number plate. It was only when one of his team LEAKED it that the pair were found ONE-AND-A-HALF HOURS LATER.

I think this, and ignored earlier reports regarding the pair is what people are upset about.

18 posted on 10/27/2002 4:06:05 AM PST by Yeti
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To: Deep_6
True freedom does not guarantee safety and protection, it guarantees you the ability to protect yourself.

We've been brainwashed by the liberal camp, to rely on "Law enforcement" for our mere existence.

An armed citizenry is way more effective than a police force any day. But when they withhold intelligence, LIKE THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, what are we supposed to do? You can't have it both ways. If they want to be totally in charge of the situation, then they should take full responsibility for the screw ups.

19 posted on 10/27/2002 4:06:19 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt
But it was lost in the system while the entire hunt centred on a white van.

Hmmm... they were after the WHITE MAN (da man) in the the white van.

20 posted on 10/27/2002 4:08:09 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: ovrtaxt
Don't you read? 

"...could also be charged with an unsolved murder...."

They had no firm suspects at the time. Now that they've caught these two,
they can attempt to resolve the unsolved.

Jeeeeeeziz... All this Monday night quarterbacking makes FR look like
the democrat national headquarters.

21 posted on 10/27/2002 4:09:42 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: Deep_6
Keep reading.....
22 posted on 10/27/2002 4:13:20 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: Yeti
Man, you people.....

re:
"...Finally, police realised the car they were looking for.
But Chief Charles Moose REFUSED to reveal the number plate.
...."

The Chief was attempting to contain the information to prevent some
citizen from doing what most of you here, expect the police department to do.

Legally/rightfully so. If they switched cars and YOU shot the wrong guy,
YOU would be held for manslaughter.

Ok?

 

23 posted on 10/27/2002 4:14:39 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: Yeti
The Special Olympics of crime and punishment ...

LOL!

24 posted on 10/27/2002 4:14:54 AM PST by spycatcher
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To: Deep_6
The Chief was attempting to contain the information to prevent some citizen from doing what most of you here, expect the police department to do.

Uh, exactly. That's my entire gripe with you. Thanks for nailing it.

25 posted on 10/27/2002 4:19:02 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: Deep_6
I don't think it is the PC actions that would take away our civil rights that freepers are talking about. It's the PC thinking, imbedded in our Law Enforcement Community, and brought on by continuous race-baiting by the likes of jj, fat al, calypso louie, julianne malveaux, donna brazile and others, that possible slowed the capture. Afterall, weren't they really looking for an angry white male gun nut.
26 posted on 10/27/2002 4:19:04 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: ovrtaxt; All
S--- happens, in a free society.

All this banter about how the police aren't doing enough, only encourages
the argument that we should not be allowed the freedom we all have.

Or as the scumbag once said: "We have too much freedom in this nation"

How about more gun control? Why not? That's the banter here! If they
had a tougher time buying a gun, this wouldn't have happened, right?
Where was your government and law enforcement when these "Killers"
were buying ammunition?

Just how much protection from the hazards of freedom would you like?

 

27 posted on 10/27/2002 4:21:29 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: Deep_6
The Chief was attempting to contain the information to prevent some citizen from doing what most of you here, expect the police department to do.

Then I guess we need to get rid of all the Amber Alerts.

28 posted on 10/27/2002 4:22:44 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: BlessedBeGod
Read 23 again
29 posted on 10/27/2002 4:25:38 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: Deep_6
Legally/rightfully so. If they switched cars and YOU shot the wrong guy, YOU would be held for manslaughter.

Probably right, they would go public with MY description and MY tag number immediately.

Anyway, the release of the tag number resulted not in the vigilante murder you talk about, but the arrest of the perps.

You talked in your earlier post about all of us being brainwashed into expecting protection from the police, but now you are saying that the police were right to hide the info about the perps for the sake of protecting some imagined third party from a mistake or the perps themselves from vigilantes.

I am not one of the tough-talkers that you have referred to as "you people," but I must say your position on this one is a little dissonant.

If a private citizen had this info and kept it secret, he would be guilty of abetment and be tried and convicted as an accessory(rightly so).

The cops stupidity cost several lives, and the spree was only ended by a LEAK. If they had their way, the snipers would still be out here. No law was broken and no rights were violated by releasing the tag number.

30 posted on 10/27/2002 4:29:15 AM PST by Yeti
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To: Yeti
The Special Olympics of crime and punishment ...

Zing!

31 posted on 10/27/2002 4:39:13 AM PST by eno_
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To: Yeti
Cooler heads prevail once again. Thanks for spelling that out!
32 posted on 10/27/2002 4:59:48 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: Deep_6
Jeeeeeeziz... All this Monday night quarterbacking makes FR look like the democrat national headquarters.

NOw that hurts!
This is a discussion forum...discussing, quarterbacking, solving, acting like nuts, flaming, spreading good info and bad...that's what we do...that's ALL we do.

Don'cha just luv it.

33 posted on 10/27/2002 5:09:10 AM PST by evad
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To: ovrtaxt
Am I the only one disgusted by all the accolades and backpatting for the "law enforcement team?" Institutional biases and bureaucratic incompetence allowed this pair to flourish almost to the point of nourishing them and then take credit for stopping them heroically long after the point where they should have been stopped had not all these biases and prejudices that nourished the problem existed.
34 posted on 10/27/2002 5:24:09 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: ovrtaxt
ex Army marksman...

Arrrggghh! That really aggravates me. It is either ignorance of our military and the way it works or willfull "massaging" of the facts. Every soldier by definition is a marksman because that is the lowest markmanship rating you can get. Every soldier will have qualified with the M16 at least once in his/her career- therefore he/she will always be an exArmy marksman. That's whether you're a cook, a truck driver or a ground pounder.

If it's ignorance of the military- I'm sick of it. Sick of the lefties and media not having a clue about the military because they've never been in it nor have they ever considered being in it. If it's massaging the facts- I'm sick of that too. At some point these assholes have got to stop and look in the mirror and ask themselves where they're really trying to take us.

35 posted on 10/27/2002 5:27:57 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: PJ-Comix
My thoughts too. In addition, he is originally said to having wanted to kill cops and blow up tankers.

The reality of his actions reveal that persons or person educated him on the more effective targets.

Remember, he killed with a cop only a few yards away from one of the victims. It would have been hard for a "cop hater" to have resisted nailing the cop too.
36 posted on 10/27/2002 5:31:29 AM PST by po'boy
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To: Prodigal Son
I want to reiterate something here too (in case any news people are trolling). There is an MOS (military occupation specialty) for journalism. Like 11B is an infantryman, 18D is SpecForces Medic, there is a number designation for one who sits before the camera and reads the news. Their faces are the ones you see when you watch the Armed Forces Network. Even these soldiers have to go out at least once a year and qualify as a marksman (at the minimum). If Dan Rather's crusty ass was in the Army right now- he'd be a marksman.

So if any of you news trolls are here- you can put that in your pipe and smoke it. Stop insulting us, learn a little bit more about the military. Maybe hire some of those Soldiers and Airmen whose specialty it was to prepare the news for the AFN- you'd be getting a person with military knowledge and a pretrained television journalist at the same time.

37 posted on 10/27/2002 5:34:40 AM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Deep_6
The police knew last Sunday that the snipers were most likely African-Americans when they interviewed the priest who received a telephone call from the snipers.

The public never knew that until late Wednesday night.

A Chevy Caprice was identified at being at the scene of the sniper shooting of the child, and then again by another witness in the DC killing (car was seen leaving the cene with its lights out).

On Oct. 13 Chief Moose was asked about a Caprice possibly being used by the snipers; Moose reply was "we don't need pushback by the public".

Chief Moose is the biggest joke in Amercia.

38 posted on 10/27/2002 5:36:59 AM PST by Tuco-bad
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To: ovrtaxt
...Muhammad distributed pro-Islam brochures, made anti-American slurs and also threatened to kill cops.

"If he'd been stopped at that time, a lot of people would be alive who are now dead."

To all the media qaeda and politicians praising the efforts of law enforcement in this case: you guys should of had these low lifes a long time ago; at least several weeks ago. Every "pro-islam, anti-american" protestor needs to be deported now.

It's a free country until you become part of a killing conspiracy.

39 posted on 10/27/2002 6:04:25 AM PST by alrea
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To: Yeti
Finally, police realised the car they were looking for. But Chief Charles Moose REFUSED to reveal the number plate. It was only when one of his team LEAKED it that the pair were found ONE-AND-A-HALF HOURS LATER.

I think this, and ignored earlier reports regarding the pair is what people are upset about.

Just goes to show you how much the Lords trust the peasants: Carry permits are a statement that the police trust the people with arms. Moose doesn't even trust the people with a license plate number. And like the mistrust of people carrying sidearms, this mistrust too costs innocent lives.

40 posted on 10/27/2002 6:38:48 AM PST by coloradan
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To: ovrtaxt
Let me see if I understand this;They are stopped TEN-Times since October 3rd and their licence number(nor names)are never cross-referenced!!What did they(the Keystone Kops)think these two guys were,Reporters!!!
41 posted on 10/27/2002 8:41:14 AM PST by bandleader
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To: ovrtaxt
If Barney Fife was in charge he would've used his single bullet to stop the murderer. IMHO.
42 posted on 10/27/2002 8:46:07 AM PST by Psycho_Runner
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To: Tuco-bad
The police knew last Sunday that the snipers were most likely African-Americans when they interviewed the priest who received a telephone call from the snipers. The public never knew that until late Wednesday night.

Yep. Instead, Moose allowed the "lone, white, militia member" myth to perpetuate.

A Chevy Caprice was identified at being at the scene of the sniper shooting of the child, and then again by another witness in the DC killing (car was seen leaving the cene with its lights out). On Oct. 13 Chief Moose was asked about a Caprice possibly being used by the snipers; Moose reply was "we don't need pushback by the public".

Right again. Moose's actions are a damn disgrace.

43 posted on 10/27/2002 9:35:36 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: AmericanVictory
Well said!
44 posted on 10/27/2002 12:47:38 PM PST by Betty Jo
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To: ovrtaxt
bump
45 posted on 10/27/2002 12:49:34 PM PST by timestax
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To: alrea
Round them up, throw them out, kill them all or we will all be killed!
46 posted on 10/27/2002 12:50:09 PM PST by Betty Jo
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To: Yeti
re:
"...If a private citizen had this info and kept it secret, he would be guilty of abetment.."

It wasn't "kept secret", it was broadcast within law enforcement but not
to the public.

Tell me, isn't it stupid to tell the one's your trying to catch, all that you know about them?

 

47 posted on 10/27/2002 5:52:05 PM PST by Deep_6
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To: evad
re:
"....This is a discussion forum...discussing, quarterbacking, solving, acting like nuts,
flaming, spreading good info and bad...that's what we do...that's ALL we do.

Don'cha just luv it........"

 

That's why I'm here! But thanks for pointing it out to those that didn't notice.

48 posted on 10/27/2002 5:54:55 PM PST by Deep_6
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To: Tuco-bad
AARRAAGGHHHHH!!!

re:
"..The police knew last Sunday that the snipers were most likely...."

Most likely? That's like what.... "a big maybe"?

Hey, I just bought a lottery ticket and I'm most likely gonna' be rich!

You know what's even funnier? This:

"...The police knew last Sunday that the snipers were most likely
African-Americans
when they interviewed the priest who received
a telephone call from the snipers
...."

A telephone call~~~~~~~~? From the snipers?

Yo man.. tell yo momma wese dah one dat did dah deed...?

Did it sound like that, ya' think?

Good grief. Yeah. Afro-am. That's it. Pick 'em up Danno.

49 posted on 10/27/2002 6:05:11 PM PST by Deep_6
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To: AmericanVictory
I wonder if all this is going to provoke a rethink in both intelligence and police work, these big mess-ups? I see what others are saying here, but is it also not true that all this committee-like approach to important work is the big problem?

When this sniper case started they announced numerous members of many many depts. and agencies were setting to work and were going to be directly involved. But there's a point where more people doesn't mean you're getting more done - and it's not just that the extra people are not doing anything helpful, but you're actually getting less done than with the original group, because the extras start gumming up the works. You start having to spend lots of time updating everyone every day. "Well, we won't know what we're doing until those guys get back to us. But then we'll need to tell them what we're going to do, and find out what they're going to do about that, before we go ahead and do that." And then this monster becomes a great big dummy with no central brain. Almost like a jelly fish - all nerve endings but no eyes and no cognition.

50 posted on 10/27/2002 7:59:23 PM PST by anatolfz
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