'IF IT'S THE LAW, IT'S THE LAW . . .YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY THEM'

The Libertarian ^ | October 20, 2002 | Vin Suprynowicz

[philman_36]

Will the last American to care for the rule of law please bring the flag, and hit the lights.
We're all actually already sitting in the dark. A false luminescence has been generated and expanded so as to give the illusion of a brightly lit room. This false luminescence further provides assurances and confidence to those generating it, who know of the existing darkness. If, by some miracle, that false luminescence should ever fail then everyone's true predicament would come to light, so to speak.
I suggest a MagLite with a Krypton bulb for real lighting.

Every light in the house is on
The backyard's bright as the crack of dawn

[weikel]

Stop asking him how old he is I never call the mods on non newbies but Im very tempted here.

[weikel]

Foreign policy is one area where the libertarians don't reason correctly. I agree with about everything they want to do domestically though.

[weikel]

No one but liberteens claim that laws are laws and must be obeyed.

1st of all libertarians would only claim that objective laws( ie laws establishing basic property rights, contract laws, laws against murder, theft etc) must be obeyed not the thousands of pages of illegitimate subjective laws our government issues every year( "If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill). Secondly plenty of non libertarians claim the law is the law the law and must be obeyed. Libertarians would claim the law is just the will of the rulers and has no MORAL legitimacy in and of itself its moral legitimacy would all depend on what the law said.

[tpaine]

-- Anyone is free to civilly disobey any law which offends their conscience, and indeed are obligated to do so. The Nuremberg trials well established this precedence that conscience should be followed above any mere human law. Henry David Thoreau wrote a pamphlet about this very issue, --
46 posted on by Cultural Jihad

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To: Cultural Jihad

"Anyone is free to civilly disobey any law which offends their conscience, and indeed are obligated to do so." - CJ -


That maybe more leftist than the leftists of the 60's!
Is this crap coming around for another go? - Lib -
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How clever of you 'lib'. -- You just called CJ's words "leftist".
-- Now CJ himself is a leftist, there's no doubt about that. But the line is quite true.
- We have an obligation to disobey laws which violate our inalienable rights, or our constitution. This principle is now taught to our military, because of the truths found at Nuremberg.

Obviously, it needs to be taught to you, and to many like you on FR. -- Read the article. - Try to understand the principles involved.

[MadameAxe]

Anyone is free to civilly disobey any law which offends their conscience, and indeed are obligated to do so. The Nuremberg trials well established this precedence that conscience should be followed above any mere human law.

What an insightful comment. I would have been even more impressed if it hadn't been buried in petty insults.

[Sloth]

Great article, and chilling.

[Eagle Eye]

Say, how old are you?

You seem too old to learn a new trick.

Fools who fail to learn only become old fools.

Youth is no barrier to wisdom; age in no guarante of sagacity.

Those who rely primarily on chronological seniority for credibility prove statement two.

Why do you have a problem insisting that the federal government stay within the bounds of it's authority while insisting that citzens obey all laws that make it into the books?

[Lurker]

People like you have a problem with the Constitution and one day it's you who will be dealt with.

Deal with that.

L

[BureaucratusMaximus]

Why do you have a problem insisting that the federal government stay within the bounds of it's authority while insisting that citzens obey all laws that make it into the books?

Because he's conditioned to do whatever the Nanny state tells him to do...the idea of thinking for himself and living free under the framework of limited government is totally foreign to him. Dependence breeds ignorance.

[missileboy]

Well.....Libloather and Cultural Jihad, your pre-pubescent locker room retorts went over quite well. You've unfortunately done a good job of ruining a perfectly good thread, but at least you've proven, in no uncertain terms, that you're both raving jackasses, uninterested in real discussion. Well done. I hope that freepers remember who you are and what you stand for in future discussions.

[BureaucratusMaximus]

Well.....Libloather and Cultural Jihad, your pre-pubescent locker room retorts went over quite well.

As is the common reaction to threads that have anything to do with a Libertarian or libertarian issues. Its the same ole...same ole...equating all Libertarians with Harry Browne, one issue pot heads, anarchy, moral absentism and such. Thats OK...ignorance is bliss as they say. Stand your ground...be civil, stick to the real issues and the locker room retorts will become less frequent and less in volume.

[LiberalBuster]

>>I posted the entire Liberteen agenda, on this very forum,
>>on September 12, 2001. Liberteens had a cow - said I was
>>insensitive. Why?

I give up. Why? BTW, could you send me a link to that post. Thanx.

[MissAmericanPie]

This is a good read, especially revealing about how some of the cogs in government, even here in America, follow the same logic as those in Hitler's Germany. "Just following orders", or unjust laws, is really not an excuse that will fly.

Too bad that a few posters on this thread seem to be in their cups.=o)

[weikel]

Hmmmm( I think you were responding to someone else)???

[Mr. K]

I don't understand why they think Congress giving Bush free reign somehow means that Congress gave away it's power. In my opinon, they USED their power in a manner exactly as intended.

Bush had to obtain the right from congress, and they gave it to him. HOW they gave it to him does not matter- each war is different.

Or am I missing something..?