[Wellstone] Co-pilot Played Minor Role in Story of Moussaoui

StarTribune.com ^ | Oct. 26, 2002 | Greg Gordon/ Mike Kaszuba

[ravingnutter]

U.S. Rep. James Oberstar.

This is the same Rep mentioned in a story I saw about the Moussaoui/Guess connection...so hopefully he is on top of this whole thing. The guy who flew the plane into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, was also a student at the Pan Am Flight School, although it was at the Phoenix, AZ branch. The story can be found here. You will have to scroll down to the story entitled "Flight School Warned F.B.I. New York Times – by Philip Shenon – December 23, 2001". Warning: It is posted on a liberal website.

[timestax]

Usually a plane can go higher or lower to avoid/get rid of icing!! These pilots surely should have known that!!

[ravingnutter]

From my post #46...

The King Air series comes equipped with anti-icing and de-icing equipment and two powerful Pratt & Whitney turboprop engines...Johnson noted that freezing rain and severe icing conditions can cause problems for most planes. But the King Air 100 has a flexible, bootlike device on the leading edges of the wings that the pilot can make "expand like a balloon to break ice off," he said.

Unless this system was malfunctioning, they would not have need to change altitude...

[davidosborne]

As a pilot with about 3000hrs.. I must say the whole icing thing struck me as very odd.... I look foward to reading the NTSB report on this one..

David

[timestax]

From my post #46... The King Air series comes equipped with anti-icing and de-icing equipment and two powerful Pratt & Whitney turboprop engines...Johnson noted that freezing rain and severe icing conditions can cause problems for most planes. But the King Air 100 has a flexible, bootlike device on the leading edges of the wings that the pilot can make "expand like a balloon to break ice off," he said. Unless this system was malfunctioning, they would not have need to change altitude...

Is there a way for this de-icing system to be sabatoged/broken??Or would it been spotted during preflight??

[swarthyguy]

Thank You All for all the info on the threads.

How many coincidences wil gel into something that lets us know anything close to the true story.

Curiouser and curioser. Alice in Jihadland.

Now, excuse me while i attend to Xmas shopping; only 54 days left, y'know.

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[ravingnutter]

Someone else thinks it was murder too, but of course they are trying to blame the Pubbies...however, they do have details on the crash that I have not seen elsewhere...take a gander here

A couple of the details...

Debris recovered from the crash site includes both the plane’s engines, which suffered blade damage, suggesting that the engines were running when the plane crashed.

Carmody said that the impact area was 300 feet by 190 feet, with evidence of “extreme post-crash fire.”

I read in another story that only the middle portion of the aircraft was burned:

"It was destroyed. There was a chunk at one end, a fairly large charred portion in the middle and a chunk at the other end," Ulman said.

Have to head home for the weekend, but will follow up on this more. Will be interesting to hear what the NTSB has to say about the crash cause. Will it jive with the facts we have uncovered?

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[Jim_Curtis]

I wonder how a guy gets a gig flying a senator around. If I remember correctly, this guy didn't have a sterling record as a pilot so you gotta figure that a guy must have certain connections.

I can't remember why Ted Kennedy was in Minneapolis that day that Kerry's upcoming presidential competition crashed....

I also have no idea who's helicopter slammed into Senator Heinz's plane.

[CharlotteVRWC]

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