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Wiccans Offer Alternative to Boy Scouts
CNSNews.com ^ | October 31, 2002 | Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 10/31/2002 9:05:17 AM PST by H8DEMS

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To: FeliciaCat
Whatever is when you open your Psyche and free will to outer forces without being in the Word of God, and the attack of evil can commence is what I have been outlining.

God Bless You all and God Bless America!
Ops4 Over and Out!
102 posted on 10/31/2002 12:10:32 PM PST by OPS4
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To: OPS4
That is great! I am Glad you follow Him, and have no strange gods before him. Is that Right?

There is only one God with many aspects.

Wiccans do not consider God as an old man like George Burns.

Wiccans understand that God is involved with every single detail of this Universe. And because of God's complexity, it is almost impossible to comprehend.

Wiccans will take aspects of God, and learn about those in their studies.

Of course, God may be George Burns, and we are all wrong!

103 posted on 10/31/2002 12:11:31 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Hunble
I'm not lying, who can you speak for who I've met? If the wiccans I've met and seen don't represent you that's fine. But I have no reason to lie about wiccans.
104 posted on 10/31/2002 12:13:52 PM PST by biblewonk
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To: H8DEMS
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's my understanding that members of Wicca are homosexual anyway.
105 posted on 10/31/2002 12:13:54 PM PST by lilylangtree
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To: Dead Corpse
Satan comes in many forms and the name Satanic Bible is quite evident. So the matter of La Vey's belief system as a precursor to Satanism is my exact point.

Others under Golden Dawn teachings have drawn wiccan believers into the cult by using celtic beliefs as their front end.

that is why taking the wiccan teaching as equal to the Christian values of the Boy Scouts is not happening.

Ops4 God Bless America!



106 posted on 10/31/2002 12:16:09 PM PST by OPS4
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To: Aric2000
Some of you intolerant religious zealots are so.

You don't sound very tolerant yourself.

107 posted on 10/31/2002 12:17:02 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: biblewonk
No problem, like I said before, many idiots will claim to be Wiccan without understanding the actual religion.

Yes, there are many gays, since they find acceptance.

Well, I have seen some, but I do not associate with them. However, what does this have to do with religion? This is between a person and his/her God.

108 posted on 10/31/2002 12:17:52 PM PST by Hunble
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To: lilylangtree
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's my understanding that members of Wicca are homosexual anyway.

Not even close. If you really care, there are MANY websites you go to for info. Some good, some silly.
109 posted on 10/31/2002 12:18:00 PM PST by FeliciaCat
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To: lilylangtree
And all republicans are rich, white, and run major businesses. They would like to cheat on their wives, but aren't cool enough to get the cute ones.

Sounds just as stupid as the comment that all wiccan's are homo's.

Here's a clue: When someone says "every" or "all"; it is usually not true.
110 posted on 10/31/2002 12:18:16 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: biblewonk
With male wiccans it seems to be about meeting other homos.

Every Wiccan male I have met was a heterosexual Libertarian.

111 posted on 10/31/2002 12:18:30 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: lilylangtree
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's my understanding that members of Wicca are homosexual anyway.

You stand corrected!

112 posted on 10/31/2002 12:19:15 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Hunble
God is clear in Genisis, and his Son Jesus is clear in the New Testament, strange gods are not acceptable. Even george burns.
Ops4 God Bless America!
113 posted on 10/31/2002 12:19:59 PM PST by OPS4
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To: biblewonk
Most Christian churches that shun the scouts are fundamentalist in nature. Maybe these are fundamentalist Wiccans.
114 posted on 10/31/2002 12:20:20 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: OPS4
What happened to religious freedom in this country?
115 posted on 10/31/2002 12:21:10 PM PST by jjm2111
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To: OPS4
So, you're telling me George Burns wasn't God?

Man, that wrecks my whole day.
117 posted on 10/31/2002 12:22:30 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: OPS4
God is clear in Genisis, and his Son Jesus is clear in the New Testament, strange gods are not acceptable.

Interesting, I know of a few Christian denominations that will tell you that Jesus was the God in the Old Testiment.

What part of ASPECTS did you not understand?

118 posted on 10/31/2002 12:22:41 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Vermont Lt
Sorry, but I am sure you will get over it.
Ops4 God Bless America!
119 posted on 10/31/2002 12:23:22 PM PST by OPS4
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To: OPS4
"Whatever is when you open your Psyche and free will to outer forces without being in the Word of God, and the attack of evil can commence is what I have been outlining."

With all due respect...you are referring to the word of God as defined by YOU and YOUR religious views. Those who differ with you are not wrong or evil or destined for "hell". Those who differ from you are not out boiling small children, eating live chickens and sacrificing virgins. YOUR intrepretation of God and religion is not the final word.

120 posted on 10/31/2002 12:23:26 PM PST by FeliciaCat
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To: FeliciaCat
.......and sacrificing virgins.....

Nice idea, but my wife is bigger and meaner than I am.

122 posted on 10/31/2002 12:25:44 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Hunble
Have you tried to find a virgin lately? Its next to impossible.
123 posted on 10/31/2002 12:28:11 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Aric2000
Spiral Scouts are a "wonderful idea"?

I guess it depends on who's spiral one is focusing the "good idea" ....


http://www.strangecosmos.com/view.asp?PicID=6666
124 posted on 10/31/2002 12:29:42 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE
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To: Hunble
I was a wicca, even had it on my dogtags. I now understand things a bit better and have given my heart to Christ. The two are mutualy exclusive. What you say is amazing. Stupid too.

Got in a lot of fights with satanists. Spent a lot of time around a candle. Ended up being more of a witch than a wicca in the long run till I saw the light. If you are white, sure as $#!+ you are going to end up fighting the dark. Frolicing around bonfires may be nice but the spirits you play with are demonic. As long as they can keep you where you are at, it is worth your soul to them. Your clock like all of us is running out. Where you are at on that day is pretty important.

blessed be the Lord Yeshua HaMachiach. As He wills, so mote it be my friend, not us. Will yourself a million bucks. Make a flower. We all serve one of two masters. If you fail to serve the Creator, you serve the destroyer by default.
125 posted on 10/31/2002 12:29:57 PM PST by American in Israel
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To: Hunble
I know the existence is one but the testaments for the sake of guiding one to the Old and New have been outlined as such.

Amongst us Christians who understand the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, and know our way around the readings, does not mean that others may not, so I outlined Old and New as God had appeared in them.

Ops4 God Bless America!
126 posted on 10/31/2002 12:30:19 PM PST by OPS4
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To: American in Israel
I do not know how to respond to that.

This is not the religion that I have known for the last 30 years.

127 posted on 10/31/2002 12:31:56 PM PST by Hunble
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To: American in Israel
God Bless You my Brother in Jesus Christ.
I have sent you a personal message and I am praying and working for all of you in Israel to be safe in God's care.

Ops4 God Bless America!
128 posted on 10/31/2002 12:35:54 PM PST by OPS4
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To: OPS4
Remember kind Sir,

I am also Christian. I have been very strict with my two daughters in their religious education and they are VERY Christian.

Wicca is not a religion that you choose. It is something you are born with and have no choice about.

When I have a student ask me to teach them, I will spend about 6 months trying to scare them away.

Wicca is darn hard work and not fun!

129 posted on 10/31/2002 12:35:55 PM PST by Hunble
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To: OPS4
Others under Golden Dawn teachings have drawn wiccan believers into the cult by using celtic beliefs as their front end.

Utter Bravo Sierra. High Magic and paganism are two completely different systems. A little like comparing trees and hedgehogs.

As for Satanism, Anton wouldn't have had the trappings to wrap his philosophy in if Christians had created the figure of Satan in the first place.

Of course you would KNOW all this if had actually done any study on it outside of Jack Chick's website.

130 posted on 10/31/2002 12:38:36 PM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: Hunble
reread post from AmericaninIsrael
125. Nuff said.

Ops4 God Bless America!
131 posted on 10/31/2002 12:39:09 PM PST by OPS4
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To: Dead Corpse
The Egyptian underworld refers to the Dark one, the taker of souls, Pagans have followed the underbelly since the snake that satan is has been crawling on its belly.

The Chrsitian warns against this non-sense, you apparently have not headed Gods Warnings.

Primitive Man worshipped in pagan rituals and even sacrificed and ate each others children, call it what you will, its all Satanic to me and Christians did not invent those unacceptable human acts.
Ops4 God Bless America!
132 posted on 10/31/2002 12:44:48 PM PST by OPS4
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To: OPS4
JimRob has asked me not to talk about my religion.

Sorry if I have crossed any lines today, as it was not intended.

However, you have been able to talk to 3 actual Wiccans today and we were willing to answer questions.

As long time Freepers, we share the same ideas, even if we have different views about our God.

This is what religion is all about, since it is a very personal experience between you and your God.

133 posted on 10/31/2002 12:44:53 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Hunble
God Bless all three of you, and have a great day!
Ops4 God Bless America!
134 posted on 10/31/2002 12:48:19 PM PST by OPS4
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To: OPS4
Thanks kind Sir, it was enjoyable.

Now I need to get ready for a Minnesota rally in support of Norm Coleman.

135 posted on 10/31/2002 12:50:38 PM PST by Hunble
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To: AppyPappy
You remind me of the guy that does my tattoos.
136 posted on 10/31/2002 12:52:57 PM PST by biblewonk
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To: TexVet
Wicca has nothing to do with satanism, and anybody that thinks it does really needs to crawl out of their cave and do some reading.

Perhaps true, but inasmuch as I understand it, Wicca is more about the belief that nature, and various entities/personalities that inhabit them, can be successfully manipulated by humans into granting said humans some favor.

In short, all of creation is humankind's personal vending machine, and the whole Wiccan thing is just about learning how to use exact change.

Christianity isn't a religion of nature manipulation - it's a religion of ethics. Our relationship with God is based on our ethical standing before Him. No amount of relics, or icons, or potions, or incantations can change that. God is not some impersonal force that we can manipulate if we're skilled enough. The Wiccan's beef with Christianity, as I understand it, is that it places humankind permanently subservient to a single diety, instead of allowing them to pick and choose their leaders (and allegiances), as if they were simply voting for their next senator.

137 posted on 10/31/2002 12:59:03 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Dead Corpse
You do realize that the whole "suffer not a witch to live" stuff is a translation error don't you? Original word meant "poisoner". Since "witches" made potions, and weren't exactly favorites of early Church fathers, they got pinned with it.

Now you got me curious, I once even heard that from some of my Southern Baptist family the suffer not a witch to live thing. So for kicks and grins I decided to look it up. The actual word is Kashaph (kuf shin pay-sophit) in hebrew, it means "To whisper a spell, i.e. to inchant or practise magic:- sorcerer, (use) witch(-craft) from magic:-sorcery, witchcraft.

So the actual translation in Exodus (the book of the story of departure of the nation of Israel from Egypt) is at EX 22:18 is well over 1000 years BC, or before Christ, LONG before there were any Church fathers.

Now my pagan friend, do you practice magic, enchant, whisper spells? It says nothing in hebrew about poisons or potions. -grin-

Anyway thanks for bringing it up, it was fun looking it up.

The reason that the comandment was given is that the use of demons, (which yes, I know is not wiccan), or their effects (which is the power behind it all, trust me), is against the Creator because THEY Chose to be against the Creator. Those who do not stand with God, fall without Him. He commanded that the practice of trucking with the enemy stop within the people he chose to be his representatives on earth.

It is a lot like outlawing heroin. The inclusion of it tends to corrupt society. So it is made illegal. Now if a man refuses to stop truckin with the enemy in a time of war he is called a traitor and is hung. Given the choice between the death penalty and cutting off contact with Oslama Bin Laudin, would you trust your neighbor if he refused to stop calling him on the telephone and wore America sucks t-shirts?

Same thing...

By the way, I personnaly think that wicca is not that far from discovering Christ and the Creator, I know one Wiccan that ended up doing it that I rather like. And your statement of the history of LaVey shows you do know what you are talking about. LeVay is a jerk as you say, kinda like saying Madonna is a Christian cause of her name and the crucifix she wears.

Your "Christian" training is a bit weak though. -grin-

139 posted on 10/31/2002 1:01:59 PM PST by American in Israel
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To: lilylangtree
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's my understanding that members of Wicca are homosexual anyway.

Your wrong. It has a lot more to do with trying to manipulate nature using the forces of nature directly in a tree hugging kinda way. The demons love it. Lots of fun mind games with the silly humans.

140 posted on 10/31/2002 1:05:12 PM PST by American in Israel
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To: Aric2000
This so called whacko group will NOT hurt children, MORON!!

Yeah! So hurry up and get into the oven, dammit!


141 posted on 10/31/2002 1:05:55 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: biblewonk
Evidence?
142 posted on 10/31/2002 1:09:57 PM PST by Bob Quixote
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To: OPS4
"Satansists United"! AKA ant-Christ.

You aren't even smart enough to be a good bigot.

143 posted on 10/31/2002 1:12:01 PM PST by Bob Quixote
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To: SrBahamonde
OK, once again from the top--Wiccans do not worship Satan. Satanism is a reaction against Christianity. Paganism existed before Christianity.
144 posted on 10/31/2002 1:15:04 PM PST by Bob Quixote
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To: Bob Quixote
Evidence?

Ahem...Most male wiccans that I know directly or indirectly are gay. An amazingly high percentage of male wiccans that I read about on their own web pages are gay.

Evidence, sorry, just my own personal observation.

145 posted on 10/31/2002 1:15:13 PM PST by biblewonk
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To: Alex Murphy
Whatever Alex, you are as clueless as the rest of the fanaticals here.

If you do not know about Wicca, then please keep your food hole shut.

The boy scouts choose not to have pagans in their organization, so be it, why shouldn't we, as pagans, start our own group that does the same thing?

The boy scouts have every right to do what they wish and have whatever rulse they wish, it excludes us and our children, therefore we have EVERY right to start a group that does the EXACT same thing as the boy scouts for our own children to feel accepted and learn about nature, etc, etc.

I was baptised Catholic, became a christian, then found out that niether was what I was looking for NOR needed.

Wicca has been a real joy for me, if you don't like, well that's just too fricking bad as far as I am concerned.

You be what you need to be and I will be what I choose to be.
146 posted on 10/31/2002 1:15:24 PM PST by Aric2000
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To: Hunble
No problem, like I said before, many idiots will claim to be Wiccan without understanding the actual religion.

Interesting, how can you be a wiccan wrong? "An it harm none do thy own will". I guess if you are into harming it would be the wrong way to be a wiccan. It seems like the doctrine is very open ended.

Yes, there are many gays, since they find acceptance.

Well, I have seen some, but I do not associate with them. However, what does this have to do with religion? This is between a person and his/her God.

What 'this' do you mean?

147 posted on 10/31/2002 1:20:55 PM PST by biblewonk
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To: biblewonk
I guess your experience has been much different from mine. I am not a Wiccan, but I know quite a few Wiccans/pagans. In fact, my current girlfriend is a pagan, as well as my last one. Neither could be described as "anti-male," nor did they become involved with paganism through any specific animosity toward Christianity (except maybe through the intolerance of some of its followers). And as far as the men, I haven't met one who is gay. Not, as they say on "Seinfeld," that there's anything wrong with that...
148 posted on 10/31/2002 1:23:53 PM PST by Bob Quixote
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To: OPS4
Wiccans are weird but they've never shown themselves to be anything but harmless. Commies and muslims are a diffrent story. The boy scouts are a private club and can exclude anyone they want.
149 posted on 10/31/2002 1:26:45 PM PST by weikel
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To: Hunble
It is something you are born with and have no choice about.

Now where have I heard that one before? -grin-

Seriously, I started wiccan in 1970, with as much science as I could fit in trying to understand esp. Ended up progressing into full blown witchcraft and getting into a few wars with the local covens. I was the only survivor of my group, I figure the other coven was wasted beyond recovery. Flying high I moved to another town and was flattened. Humble pie was the main course. Ended up getting tagged by a few black ones with a pretty nasty demon. Dang thing tormented me for a year till my Cousin and his wife popped it like a firecracker one day "In the name of Jesus". When I saw that thing dry up and blow away in a flat second I KNEW who God was real quick like. I was freed in more ways than one that day.

Been glad ever since. Best decision I have ever made, deciding to let Jesus pay the price I could not. Yep I serve Him, am darned glad I get to. Don't deserve it, but MAN is it FUN. Just what the heck you think I am doing in Jerusalem?!

I am walking a walk of humility and power. Demons flee when I walk in the room cause HIS name is written on my forehead. But it is not the power that I am glad of, but that I am called by HIS name. I have never been so loved in my life. God is my friend. Has had to spank me more than once but hey what are Dads for?

It has been a blessing chatting with you Humble. Be careful, you live in a very dangerous world. Hope to meet you some day and share a Freeper Coffee. If you ever have a odd question or two, Freepmail me.

Goodnight, and may the Creator of all bless your dreams, your hearth and your family. May He see fit to protect you from those who wish you harm and reveal his Power to you. Beh shem Yeshua HaMachich. (oh that is a prayer, not an incantation -grin-)

150 posted on 10/31/2002 1:27:16 PM PST by American in Israel
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