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IS THERE A GOD GENE? (VANITY)
Me | 11/02/02 | Van E. T. Fair

Posted on 11/03/2002 11:00:15 AM PST by Old Professer

I've been here for so long I have begun to feel like this site is a substitute for the real world.

I read everything and anything until I wear out my eyesight and my wife's patience and I lately have noticed that there are but two types of people posting here:

Those who will believe in spite of evidence and those who believe that belief itself is suspect.

Biologists are coming up everyday with the notion that virtually all behavior and all disease is somehow related to a gene inherent in the human body; sometimes it is treated as a proclivity and other times it is treated as a proscript.

Is all of Science no more than the search for the essential?

If there is no God then there is nothing beyond waking, breathing, doing, sleeping and dying; the doing ranges from the works of genius inventions to the tedium of service to the sluggishness of the congenitally impaired.

All the while, the search for reason leads back to first things.

Does unrequited passion drive us all? The genius looks forward to the future and what could be; the sluggard looks not at all; that leaves the rest.

Do we search because we want to or because we have no choice?


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Monster vanity, I know. But, do we have true will or is that just a vanity itself?
1 posted on 11/03/2002 11:00:16 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer
IS THERE A GOD GENE?

hmmmmmmmm, could be.....


2 posted on 11/03/2002 11:04:50 AM PST by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one
I like chicken and GEORGE BUSH! I hope that he never touches a durn pretzel again.

man, this thing has really become MY world.
3 posted on 11/03/2002 11:07:22 AM PST by ConservaHottie
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To: Old Professer
" the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1).

Is this genius?

4 posted on 11/03/2002 11:09:22 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage
" the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

That sounds like my last date.

5 posted on 11/03/2002 11:10:53 AM PST by hole_n_one
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To: Old Professer
Does unrequited passion drive us all?

Maybe our desires and our feelings drive us.

If there is no God then there is nothing beyond waking, breathing, doing, sleeping and dying;...

That's a giant leap that makes no sense at all.

6 posted on 11/03/2002 11:12:56 AM PST by Consort
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To: ConservaHottie

ZOT!!!

7 posted on 11/03/2002 11:13:01 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: ConservaHottie
Back to DUmmyland with you. LOL Jeb Bush is up 57-42 so go cry over tha.
8 posted on 11/03/2002 11:15:19 AM PST by finnman69
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To: Admin Moderator
Ya just gotta luv an Admin Mod with a sense of humor.
9 posted on 11/03/2002 11:16:31 AM PST by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one
THATS FRANKUNSTINE
10 posted on 11/03/2002 11:16:41 AM PST by weikel
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To: Admin Moderator
LOL. Great graphic.
11 posted on 11/03/2002 11:17:49 AM PST by finnman69
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To: hole_n_one
Does unrequited passion drive us all.......to take a cold shower?
12 posted on 11/03/2002 11:25:37 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: DainBramage
Does unrequited passion drive us all.......to take a cold shower?

Of course it does.....amongst a myriad of other options.

14 posted on 11/03/2002 11:33:42 AM PST by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one
amongst a myriad of other options.

Don't go there, I will never give her the remote control!

15 posted on 11/03/2002 11:39:26 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: Old Professer
IS THERE A GOD GENE?

Sure there is. All of them.

16 posted on 11/03/2002 11:40:02 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: Old Professer
Faith is hard to grasp, and harder to hold on to. It is, however, the most powerful thing in the world, if you have enough of it.

Even the smallest amounts return large rewards. Those that have had faith have seen. I have been blessed many times in my life; some circumstances were beyond belief. Yet, I still struggle with faith at times.

17 posted on 11/03/2002 11:42:15 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch
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To: William Terrell
IS THERE A GOD GENE?

Sure there is. All of them

I take it you've never seen Match Game.......


18 posted on 11/03/2002 11:45:43 AM PST by hole_n_one
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To: Old Professer
"There is nothing wrong with me agent Starling. I simply am. I am what I choose to be. You can't deconstruct me into a series of first causes."

Dr. Hannibal Lector, culinary genius

19 posted on 11/03/2002 11:45:54 AM PST by Ahban
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To: Dutch-Comfort
I saw Lawrence of Arabia on recently. The train scene really stood out. Turned to my wife and said, "Predecessor of the WTC attacks".
Frightening.

"Do you realize Peter O'Toole is a double phallic name?" -- Groucho Marx
20 posted on 11/03/2002 11:50:33 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: Ahban
You can't deconstruct me into a series of first causes.

Ahh, Nietzsche, anyone?
21 posted on 11/03/2002 11:51:33 AM PST by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: Old Professer
Hell boy, we'all down here in Texas been wearing genes for years and ain't nobody never called us'all God.
23 posted on 11/03/2002 11:54:41 AM PST by Blue Screen of Death
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To: Old Professer
These are very good questions and you shouldn't give up until you find the answer you know is correct. Objective truth is hard to find in these days. Based on how you posed your questions, I would recommend that you start here, A Refutation of Moral Relativism: Interviews With an Absolutist by Peter Kreeft. You have just started a very long journey, please let us know where it takes you.
24 posted on 11/03/2002 11:59:40 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Old Professer
belief in god is biological (including genetic predisposition) as is the phenomenon of conscience

schizophrenia, in which the afflicted is actually commanded by a voice in his mind that he does not control, is just a step beyond religiosity

faith in one's truth is often at cross purposes with conscience as one may disengage it with respect to non-believers or twist the golden rule: "have others do as would you"
25 posted on 11/03/2002 12:04:40 PM PST by dwills
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To: hole_n_one
No, but I've seen Janet Reno. And I've seen a baboon and a cockroach. God works in mysterious ways.

26 posted on 11/03/2002 12:12:27 PM PST by William Terrell
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To: Old Professer
Does unrequited passion drive us all?

I think the passion to reproduce drives us all.

I think the ability to construct the Ten Commandments shows our capacity to suppress our native killing, lying, adultering, stealing, etc. instincts in order to create social groups more worth reproducing for.

The 'God' gene may be a sublime refinement of the 'selfish' gene. It's probably present in all people but only activated/utilized by enviromental (social) stimuli.

27 posted on 11/03/2002 12:16:43 PM PST by txhurl
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To: William Terrell
All things have Buddha Nature. Just varying amounts.

Cockroaches. The AIDS virus. Janet Reno. Al Sharpton.

Blows thy mind, sorta.

--Boris

28 posted on 11/03/2002 12:18:52 PM PST by boris
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To: boris
Cockroaches. The AIDS virus. Janet Reno. Al Sharpton.

Cockroaches are too benign to be in that list.

30 posted on 11/03/2002 12:23:40 PM PST by William Terrell
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To: Old Professer
If you'd care to research this from the religious realm.

I'd suggest the debate between Calvinism, and Arminianism in regards to pre-destination, and the 5 points of Calvinism.

It might help you decide to what degree man is, or is not a moral free agent...

31 posted on 11/03/2002 12:28:35 PM PST by Dallas
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To: hole_n_one
Isn't that the Coolest Microphone you have ever seen...
32 posted on 11/03/2002 12:36:02 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: Old Professer
Here's a quote I like, Pro:
“Some people are born knowing, and some people will die searching.”
--Antonio Banderas
Inside the Actors’ Studio. Bravo Television Network, Rainbow Media Holdings, Inc., Cablevision Systems Corporation, August 2001.

33 posted on 11/03/2002 12:36:58 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: cmsgop
To this day, Dick Clark can still be seen with the bulky model that's hung around the neck.
34 posted on 11/03/2002 12:47:24 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: Jimer
EXACTLY!!!
35 posted on 11/03/2002 12:50:35 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer; BibChr; the_doc
I read everything and anything until I wear out my eyesight and my wife's patience and I lately have noticed that there are but two types of people posting here: Those who will believe in spite of evidence and those who believe that belief itself is suspect.

What about those of us who believe the evidence??

I mean, you mentioned those who believe in spite of the evidence, and those who question the validity of Belief itself...

But what about those of us who simply believe the evidentiary facts of History? Not a Faith in an unprovable Easter Bunny, not a Faith in "having faith"... just a Faith that the evidentiary Facts of History are true??

Why aren't we included?? Don't our views count?

36 posted on 11/03/2002 12:53:57 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: William Terrell
Re: #16 -- Hah!! Good answer.

I always enjoy your posts, Terrell.

37 posted on 11/03/2002 12:55:07 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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Perhaps I should have asked if God is within us or without us.
38 posted on 11/03/2002 1:01:02 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer
Mostly God is where we are not.
39 posted on 11/03/2002 1:10:13 PM PST by tangerine
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To: Old Professer
I don't know about the God gene, but I do know that there is in me no desire that does not have a possible real fulfillment, no hunger that does not have a possible real food to satisfy it, no thirst that does not have a possible real drink....

Do you miss goodness, when in the presence of evil? Do you yearn for justice? Have you ever felt you were in the presence of holiness?

When I hungered and thirsted for righteousness--simple goodness, honest justice, vibrant peace--there was an answer for me and it was the presence of God. I was starving and He is suddenly There. I honestly hope this doesn't sound goofy to you, but God is as real to me as this keyboard and screen -- more so.

And I learned that my hunger and thirst for Him was His way of calling me...you too, maybe...
40 posted on 11/03/2002 1:10:32 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Old Professer
There was a marquee somewhere that said

What if God is waiting for a sign from US?

41 posted on 11/03/2002 1:13:14 PM PST by txhurl
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To: Old Professer
Is ther a God, Gene?

42 posted on 11/03/2002 1:15:43 PM PST by Consort
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Perhaps I should have asked if God is within us or without us. 38 posted on 11/03/2002 1:01 PM PST by Old Professer

There's two ways to examine your question.

I have a very simple criterion for God-hood: The guy who gets nailed to a plank of wood, gets a stake shoved through his heart, is dead and buried... and then gets up and walks out of the grave... well, He gets to be the One True God.

I have yet to find a better determinating criterion.

44 posted on 11/03/2002 1:21:41 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Jimer
LOL!!!
45 posted on 11/03/2002 1:24:09 PM PST by lsee
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To: Dutch-Comfort; BibChr; the_doc
And you really think the evidence is an old tomb instead of the marvel of human life with none other in sight for millions of light years? ~~ 43 posted on 11/03/2002 1:18 PM PST by Dutch-Comfort

Of course.

Christianity stands or falls on the Documented, Historical Fact of the Bodily Physical Resurrection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Everything else is a side-issue -- a virtual triviality.

46 posted on 11/03/2002 1:24:13 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Judith Anne
I like your post #40... There is no denying the existence of perfect Righteousness, and our imperfection.
47 posted on 11/03/2002 1:36:05 PM PST by agrandis
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To: Jimer
LOL!
48 posted on 11/03/2002 1:37:41 PM PST by agrandis
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; Old_Professor
It always amazes me that some accept the testimony of witnesses when trying a capital case but refuse to accept the witness of hundreds (perhaps thousands) who claim to have seen the risen Christ only days after he was nailed to a cross and his death verified by a Roman lance!

Here's a thought/question: could it be that the spirit is connected to the soul and the soul to the body of atoms/molecules via the complexity we call DNA; could it be that there is a dimensional reality (as real as dimension time or dimension space) which one might call the life force, which is connected to the physical universe of atoms and molecules via a complexity known as the double helix? I think there is, but as yet the scientific evidence as been weighted to merely identifying the molecules, without seeking a connection to another dimensional reality. Therein is found faith and according toone claiming to be God on Earth, that force, faith, is greater than all the known scientific forces. Oddly, the evidence so far adds up to testing only the known forces of the physical spacetime playground. Perhaps we need a new paradigm that incorporates a different perspective on space, time, and life force.

49 posted on 11/03/2002 1:39:50 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN; the_doc
It always amazes me that some accept the testimony of witnesses when trying a capital case but refuse to accept the witness of hundreds (perhaps thousands) who claim to have seen the risen Christ only days after he was nailed to a cross and his death verified by a Roman lance!

Per'zackly.

Here's a thought/question: could it be that the spirit is connected to the soul and the soul to the body of atoms/molecules via the complexity we call DNA; could it be that there is a dimensional reality (as real as dimension time or dimension space) which one might call the life force, which is connected to the physical universe of atoms and molecules via a complexity known as the double helix? I think there is, but as yet the scientific evidence as been weighted to merely identifying the molecules, without seeking a connection to another dimensional reality. Therein is found faith and according toone claiming to be God on Earth, that force, faith, is greater than all the known scientific forces. Oddly, the evidence so far adds up to testing only the known forces of the physical spacetime playground. Perhaps we need a new paradigm that incorporates a different perspective on space, time, and life force.

Actually, the first question you need to ask is whether or not the Human Person is a tripartite Being at all (Body, Soul, and Spirit) or rather a bipartite Being (Body and Spirit, together comprising the holistic flesh/spirit Constitution which is the Whole Person or "Living Soul").

"Tripartite" advocates will typically cite 1 Thessalonians 5:23:

Arguing for the Tripartite view of Man.

However, "Bipartite" advocates would argue that this should be interpreted in the light of Hebrews 4:12:

Arguing that, just as the joints of the Body are a holistic constitution of two parts (Bone and Marrow), so also the Soul is a holistic constitution of Flesh and Spirit. I.E., the "Soul" is the Whole Person, constituted of Flesh and Spirit.

I would argue that this view is reinforced by the fact that Scripture generally treats the Functions of Man as being either functions of Flesh, or functions of Spirit, generally treating the Soul as the Whole Person.

As a thought exercise, consider that both Flesh and Spirit are present at Conception. Is the "Soul" also present (as a separate constituent entity) at Conception? If so, define even one attribute of the Soul which is not a function of either the flesh, or the spirit.

Thoughts?

50 posted on 11/03/2002 2:07:52 PM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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