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Gun-toting citizen halts apparent robbery
south bend tribune ^ | 11/04/02 | LINDA MULLEN

Posted on 11/04/2002 12:01:55 PM PST by hoosierboy

November 4, 2002

Gun-toting citizen halts apparent robbery Police praise effort; suspect in custody

By LINDA MULLEN Tribune Staff Writer

SOUTH BEND -- Anyone who has a television should know the proper accent to use when saying "citizen's arrest, citizen's arrest."

But Eric Endres wasn't imitating Barney Fife Saturday night when he stopped a burglar, at gunpoint, from making off with the goods at a local computer store.

Endres does, however, have the attitude that the old Mayberry deputy had in regard to his responsibility as a law-abiding citizen.

"I have a permit to carry a firearm every day, and I carry it as a duty," Endres said. "I never know when I may catch a bad guy or save someone's life. It's a responsibility I take.

"Everywhere I go, I make people safer, and they don't know it. It's the least I can do for my society. As a good citizen, it's a little bit my responsibility to do the best I can and prevent crime. Nobody knows it, because it's always concealed, but I will always risk my life to save others."

Endres sounds like a police officer, but unlike his brother, he's not. This Endres is a self-employed contractor.

His brother is Ben Endres, a former Indiana state trooper and currently an investigator with the St. Joseph County prosecutor's office. Until he was contacted by The Tribune, Ben Endres knew nothing about his brother's actions on Saturday.

At about 10 p.m. Saturday, Eric Endres said, he was walking his dogs in his yard near the intersection of Miami and Ewing streets when he heard three different episodes of breaking glass.

He walked around, then saw a man stumbling out of a computer store, TLF Enterprises at 2303 Miami St., with his arms loaded with goods.

"I went in my house and grabbed my firearm," he said. When he got to the store, the robber was still in the doorway with "lots of stuff in his arms."

"I stopped about 10 feet away from him and ordered him: 'Don't move. Drop everything in your arms.' The man turned and started walking towards me. As loud and clear as I could, I said, 'Don't move. Don't move.' He got to be about four paces from me when he held up a pry bar over his head. He was close enough that he could've hit me with it.

"I was a little scared at this point. I was yelling clear commands. In that instance, I fired a shot over his head and he froze," he said.

"He was still holding the pry bar, but he very slowly and reluctantly started dropping stuff. I told him to get down on the ground. Finally, he got down.

"At that time, I began waving and yelling at passing motorists, hoping someone had a cell phone and would call police," he said.

And then, as if it were scripted for television, a man in full Halloween drag, wearing an all-black nylon suit with a skull and crossbones on the front, sauntered up to the scene and said, "What's going on, dude?"

Endres said he told the masked man to go get help. That man flagged down a Pizza Hut delivery car and the driver called police.

"As soon as police came, and I expected this, they ordered me to drop my gun," Endres said. "They told me to get on the ground. I placed my arms in the air, and they cuffed me, then they put me in the police car."

Endres then told police the whole story about how he was a neighbor and how he caught the man leaving the store. Within five or 10 minutes, he said, police uncuffed him and believed him. He had a gun permit.

"After they sorted it out, police were very appreciative and said every citizen should be like me," he said. "They were totally respectful; they weren't intimidating at all."

"They figured it out pretty quickly and arrested the other man. He had prior arrests," Endres said.

Sgt. Dwayne Hallman said he was impressed with Endres' initiative to get involved.

Hallman said that, initially, police believed they were responding to a shooting because there was a shot heard, and when they arrived, they found Endres holding a man down.

"This is my opinion," Hallman said, "but a citizen has the right, if not the responsibility, to assist" like Endres did. "He did exactly what he should have done. He was able to hold the suspect at bay until police arrived. Without him, we would not have been taking someone into custody; we would have been writing a police report about a burglary."

Hallman said police were able to confirm Endres' story with other witnesses, so he is confident they have an ironclad case.

Endres said he has no desire to be a police officer, even though his brother works for Prosecutor Chris Toth. "There's too much political correctness, so much training," he said.

Ben Endres said, "Eric's my little brother. I think he acted courageously and responsibly to stop a crime in progress. I'm glad it worked out with the bad guy in custody with nobody getting hurt.

"It sounds like he did the right thing. I'm proud of him."

Toth said he, too, respects Eric Endres for his actions.

"I respect Mr. Endres' courage, and I'm glad people like him will stand up and make a difference. We need more people who are willing to get involved instead of looking the other way."

Staff writer Linda Mullen:

lmullen@sbtinfo.com

(574) 235-6368


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; indiana; selfdefense
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Considering we call the local paper the libune, I think this is a nice story. Nobody was hurt.
1 posted on 11/04/2002 12:01:56 PM PST by hoosierboy
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To: hoosierboy

2 posted on 11/04/2002 12:03:58 PM PST by hoosierboy
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To: *bang_list
BTTT for The Armed Citizen
3 posted on 11/04/2002 12:05:46 PM PST by xsrdx
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To: hoosierboy
"Everywhere I go, I make people safer, and they don't know it."

The editor must have been falling-down drunk to let a line like that slip through!

4 posted on 11/04/2002 12:06:32 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: hoosierboy
How do you draw a pistol from your waistband? Very carefully!

Nice story!

5 posted on 11/04/2002 12:10:09 PM PST by Howie
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To: hoosierboy
Way to go Mr Endres and the South Bend Police!

Courage, honor and rational thought still live!

Hoo Yah!
6 posted on 11/04/2002 12:11:24 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: xsrdx
"I stopped about 10 feet away from him and ordered him: 'Don't move. Drop everything in your arms.' The man turned and started walking towards me. As loud and clear as I could, I said, 'Don't move. Don't move.' He got to be about four paces from me when he held up a pry bar over his head. He was close enough that he could've hit me with it.

"I was a little scared at this point. I was yelling clear commands. In that instance, I fired a shot over his head and he froze," he said.

Hmm, I wonder where that shot went? Not the best example of the defensive use of a handgun. Why not just call the cops, since there was no threat except to the business owners insurance company? Be a good witness if lives are not at risk.

At any rate, Pry Bar=Lethal Threat=Shoot to Stop.

7 posted on 11/04/2002 12:12:01 PM PST by xsrdx
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To: hoosierboy
The only thing that could of been better was instead of firing over his head he fired at his feet and said "Now dance for me boy!"
8 posted on 11/04/2002 12:12:17 PM PST by lelio
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To: hoosierboy; pocat; Travis McGee; harpseal; SLB; Lion Den Dan; Jeff Head; AAABEST; TEXASPROUD; ...
And then, as if it were scripted for television, a man in full Halloween drag, wearing an all-black nylon suit with a skull and crossbones on the front, sauntered up to the scene and said, "What's going on, dude?" Endres said he told the masked man to go get help. That man flagged down a Pizza Hut delivery car and the driver called police...........

And the pizza guy stopped for that ???? Gheeeesh ! Awesome story....

Stay Safe !

9 posted on 11/04/2002 12:15:39 PM PST by Squantos
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To: hoosierboy
Good for Mr. Endres, and I'm glad he's okay. He's obviously a brave man. But don't you love journalists? The perp had prior arrests, or did the author mean convictions? If it was in fact the latter, then what the heck was the perp doing out of jail if he was a serial offender?
10 posted on 11/04/2002 12:16:32 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: hoosierboy
But Eric Endres wasn't imitating Barney Fife Saturday night when he stopped a burglar,

Good grief! It was Gomer, not Barney who made the citizen's arrest!

BTW, if they had told me to "drop the gun", I would have firmly but politely explained that this was an expensive gun and that I would very slowly lay it down and move away from it where I would happily lay down.

11 posted on 11/04/2002 12:16:55 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: hoosierboy
OMG, don't tell Sarah Brady or the VPC.
12 posted on 11/04/2002 12:18:13 PM PST by chuknospam
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To: hoosierboy
Great story for us who are soft on the Second Amendment. And I love the line, "people are safer though they don't know it." But what I really want to know is what happened to the halloween cross-dresser and the pizza boy?
13 posted on 11/04/2002 12:19:28 PM PST by Lady Jag
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To: xsrdx
At any rate, Pry Bar=Lethal Threat=Shoot to Stop.

That would be the Indicated Response.

14 posted on 11/04/2002 12:19:59 PM PST by chuknospam
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To: hoosierboy
Considering we call the local paper the libune, I think this is a nice story.

I couldn't believe my eyes this morning when I read the headline. Amazing!!

15 posted on 11/04/2002 12:20:35 PM PST by ishmac
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To: hoosierboy
"Everywhere I go, I make people safer, and they don't know it. It's the least I can do for my society. As a good citizen, it's a little bit my responsibility to do the best I can and prevent crime. Nobody knows it, because it's always concealed, but I will always risk my life to save others."

This is a very true fact cited in Dave Kopel's reports, the fact is that many people get a "free ride" on the backs of those who take the responsibility of being armed.

16 posted on 11/04/2002 12:23:19 PM PST by chuknospam
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To: hoosierboy
Anyone who has a television should know the proper accent to use when saying "citizen's arrest, citizen's arrest."

Well, I'd never say, nor recommend saying, "citizen's arrest". Just say, "Stop! Put your hands in the air! You are under arrest!" followed by some other orders. Never volunteer that you are a "civilian" and never claim to be law enforcement(if you are not). Every person has the legal, common law right to place a person under arrest who is in commission of a forcible felony. Let the perp assume you are a cop who will not hesitate to shoot. If the perp thinks you are a civilian, there is a chance he may think you are reluctant to shoot. So don't even open that can. Tell him to get down and what the reprecussions will be if he doesn't obey.

17 posted on 11/04/2002 12:23:35 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: hoosierboy
The story is pretty good, except for the 'Barney' comparison. Implying that an armed citizen is like Barney is a little insulting. With all due respect to Barney Fife.
18 posted on 11/04/2002 12:24:52 PM PST by tje
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To: hoosierboy
Oh yeah, like this would happen in NJ. "Stop, or I'll punch you."
19 posted on 11/04/2002 12:28:48 PM PST by jjm2111
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To: hoosierboy
Gun-Toting, huh? There only two things that I know of that one can tote...1 is a gun, and the other is that "prop" the Klinton toted around on Sundays. The Bible. Do you know of anything else that can be toted?
20 posted on 11/04/2002 12:33:46 PM PST by Puppage
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To: hoosierboy
BTTT
21 posted on 11/04/2002 12:36:39 PM PST by Gritty
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To: ishmac
Wasn't it great.
22 posted on 11/04/2002 12:39:35 PM PST by hoosierboy
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To: Howie
"How do you draw a pistol from your waistband? Very carefully"

'Specially if it happens to be a Glock. You could be singin' soprano, boy!

23 posted on 11/04/2002 12:50:54 PM PST by Don Carlos
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To: lelio
Badges?? We don' need no steenkin' badges!!!!
24 posted on 11/04/2002 12:51:27 PM PST by tracer
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To: Don Carlos
Not possible. Glock owners don't have any to shoot off.....8~)
25 posted on 11/04/2002 12:53:09 PM PST by tracer
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To: hoosierboy
In a more leftist state, the headline would read:

Vigilante Fires Shot at Unarmed Citizen. Held Without Bail


26 posted on 11/04/2002 12:56:13 PM PST by CholeraJoe
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To: Eaker
Ping!
27 posted on 11/04/2002 12:59:56 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: hoosierboy
Good for Eric Endres!
28 posted on 11/04/2002 1:00:05 PM PST by austingirl
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To: CholeraJoe
Sad, but true! This is why I live in Texas where I'm allowed to protect me and mine AND my property!
29 posted on 11/04/2002 1:02:34 PM PST by mil-vet
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To: tracer
Oooh! You bad! Does that mean only wimmin own Glocks?
30 posted on 11/04/2002 1:03:41 PM PST by Don Carlos
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To: tje
Barney could be very dangerous, he'd be the first one to tell you that, unless he wus havin' "low sugar blood"(the Fife's are famous for that you know).

On the other hand, you can't beat the classic,

"dance for me, boy!"

31 posted on 11/04/2002 1:04:57 PM PST by norraad
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To: Puppage
<< Do you know of anything else that can be toted? >>

Just a WAG but, is it possible to "tote" a left-handed Marlboro if you're a graduate of a NEA sponsored education?

Have a gooder....

LAL/DOL

32 posted on 11/04/2002 1:19:58 PM PST by LAL7173
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To: hoosierboy
Heck, this guy WAS brave. I wouldn't have had the guts to do this.

I'd have no trouble facing down the bad guys, putting my life on the line for the local community (been there, done that), but the prospect of facing California anti-gun law and aggressive, liberal-left prosecutors and judges ... THAT takes courage I just don't have.

It'd be a case of "guilty until proven innocent", and there is no such thing as an "innocent" gun owner in California.

FReegards ... SFS

33 posted on 11/04/2002 1:34:23 PM PST by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: tje
It wasn't Barney. It was Gomer who made the citizen's arrest.
34 posted on 11/04/2002 1:46:46 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: xsrdx
"At any rate, Pry Bar=Lethal Threat=Shoot to Stop."

Only problem is that there is also an explicit duty to retreat unless the act of retreating will place you in more danger than if you had stood your ground in the first place. He allowed him to advance until there was a threat.

I think he should've followed your advice and just been a good witness as you said, there was no danger to life and limb until he got within striking distance with the club.

NEVER FIRE A WARNING SHOT!!!

35 posted on 11/04/2002 2:29:43 PM PST by ExSoldier
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We need to get rid of that idiotic "duty to retreat". What the heck was this fine citizen supposed to do if the perp had known the current laws re gun use, and simply kept right on carting the loot away? Shoot him? Yeah right, and spend the next decase in prison and have all his assets awarded to the perp as damages. Citizens need to be empowered to shoot if necessary, in order to keep someone they have witnessed committing a crime from fleeing before police arrive. And will somebody please hurry up and invent a little video recorder gadget to mount on firearms, to keep such a system from generating unproveable he-said-she-said cases?
36 posted on 11/04/2002 2:59:46 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Howie
How do you draw a pistol from your waistband? Very carefully!***

Note pistol is in a holster although with a hazzardous retention strap. When drawing from this or any other holster, the idea is to not put your finger on the trigger until your muzzle is on the target and you have decided absolutely to shoot.

37 posted on 11/04/2002 3:38:16 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I would have firmly but politely explained that this was an expensive gun and that I would very slowly lay it down and move away from it where I would happily lay down.

That's funny, that's what I was thinking too. I wouldn't dare drop my pistolas on concrete! I always cringe when they do it in movies. Hell, you might break a Glock thataway!

38 posted on 11/04/2002 4:45:27 PM PST by sam_paine
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To: sam_paine
Not only that, my pistol has no safety, dropping it would most likely cause it to fire inadvertantly, possibly striking someone.
39 posted on 11/04/2002 5:11:39 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: sam_paine; Don Carlos; tracer
Take a rest fellas...not all of us need bulky chunks of metal to steady our aim :O
40 posted on 11/04/2002 6:04:07 PM PST by Lizard_King
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Duty to retreat is a legal doctine going back a long way. It works well and serves to prevent unwarranted decisions being made by ordinary citizens in circumstances that the citizen usually has no training to deal with in the first place. If your life, or the life of another is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm, you are empowered to use deadly force....duty to retreat or not.

The "duty" is merely a device to weed out those individuals who are unsure of how to react to a potential deadly force situation. Notice that in your own home (hotel rooms are included in the definition of "home") the castle doctrine replaces the duty to retreat. But on the street, duty to retreat is just another safeguard in an unsafe and litigious world.

41 posted on 11/04/2002 8:09:08 PM PST by ExSoldier
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Does "Duty to retreat" override common sense? ie bunch of breaking glass, obvious robber walking through broken glass with armload of store goods... no flame but how are you tying in duty to retreat (which I understand and also take seriously.. it prevents stupid mistakes) with a guy walking out of a store with a armload of merchandise after breaking in? Would it not be the suspects duty to halt and explaine the situation?
TLI
42 posted on 11/04/2002 8:20:28 PM PST by TLI
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To: ExSoldier
Actually, the current law varies a great deal from state to state, and is most corrupted in Great Britain where our legal system has its roots -- over there, you're screwed if you use deadly force no matter how much imminent danger you're in.
43 posted on 11/04/2002 8:46:02 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: tje
The story is pretty good, except for the 'Barney' comparison. Implying that an armed citizen is like Barney is a little insulting.

Agreed. Great story about bravery and responsibility, and the Fife comment was uncalled for.

44 posted on 11/04/2002 8:52:51 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: chuknospam
This is a very true fact cited in Dave Kopel's reports, the fact is that many people get a "free ride" on the backs of those who take the responsibility of being armed.

Couldn't say it better myself.

45 posted on 11/04/2002 8:55:19 PM PST by Freemeorkillme
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To: Don Carlos
Not a fan of their 3-safety system?(semi-sarcasm)

Blackhawk Down: "This is my safety" holds trigger finger in the air and mimicks trigger squeeze.
46 posted on 11/04/2002 8:57:52 PM PST by Freemeorkillme
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What do you carry? A zip gun? What gives you the idea that your firearm will AD when dropped? Have you race tuned it or something? I'd seriously like to know.
47 posted on 11/04/2002 9:01:31 PM PST by Freemeorkillme
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To: hoosierboy
It's a commendable story, but I have a hard time believing the cops were actually so nice. I have had the fortune of being pulled over in a license check, and when asked if I had a firearm, I did the honest thing and said "yes". My honorable Alabama state-trooper did indeed look like Barney Fife (literally jumped), and gave me a lot of grief too(permitted, concealed Sig 229). No harm done, but a lot of hassle.

Phil
48 posted on 11/04/2002 9:11:58 PM PST by Phil Southern
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To: Squantos
And the pizza guy stopped for that ???? Gheeeesh ! Awesome story....

You know the old saying: call for a cop, call for an ambulance, call for a pizza... and see which one arrives first!!!

49 posted on 11/04/2002 9:47:08 PM PST by john in missouri
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To: Lion Den Dan
I get the impression he put the holster on just for the photo. There's no way he can sit down where he placed the holster on his belt. Verticle holsters can be placed just behind the seam and butt forward canted holsters can be placed on the seam of the pants.
50 posted on 11/04/2002 10:02:39 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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