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Appeasement of Iraq Made Me A Spy (Pollard)
Wall Street Journal ^ | February 15, 1991 | Jonathan Pollard

Posted on 11/04/2002 5:23:57 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt

Appeasement of Iraq Made Me A Spy

by Jonathan Pollard

The Wall Street Journal - Originally published February 15, 1991


JONATHAN POLLARD: ....the photos that I turned over to the Israelis were of a number of Iraqi chemical weapons manufacturing plants which the government did not want to admit existed. Why? ....What the administration was really concerned about was being placed in a position where it would have to admit that it had tacitly condoned the creation of an Iraqi chemical weapons manufacturing capability.


Introduction - Wall Street Journal -February 15, 1991

In 1985, my son, Jonathan Pollard pleaded guilty to providing Israel with information about the military capabilities of Arab states, including Iraq. Today he sits in a basement cell, in isolation 23 hours a day, serving a life sentence.

Jonathan was never accused of or indicted for treason, because he did not commit treason. He was indicted on one count of passing information to an ally, Israel. Abdel Kader Helmy, an Egyptian American rocket scientist, participated in a scheme to illegally ship ballistic missile technology to Egypt - technology later used to help increase the range of Iraq's Scud-B missiles. Mr. Helmy got less than a four-year sentence. Jonathan who warned Israel about Iraq's capabilities, got life.

America is now fighting a war with Iraq, while the one person who tried to warn Israel about Iraqi threats sits in jail. In a 1989 letter excerpted below, Jonathan wrote to an American rabbi from his cell that America would have to go to war against Iraq if we failed to prevent the completion of chemical facilities that we knew were under construction. How right he was.    - Morris Pollard


Dear Rabbi,

My name is Jonathan Pollard and I am currently serving a life sentence due to my activities on behalf of Israel.

Lest you labor under a false impression, Rabbi, I want to state quite categorically that I do not consider myself to be above the law. I fully appreciate the fact that I must be punished for my activities however justified I may have felt them to be. That being said, I do not believe that the draconian sentence that was meted out to me was in any way commensurate with the crime which I committed. Nowhere in my indictment... was I ever described as a "traitor," which is hardly a surprise given the fact that the operation with which I was associated actually served to strengthen America's long-term security interests in the Middle East.

Notwithstanding [then Defense Secretary Caspar] Weinberger's disingenuous opinion, any objective examination of the record will show that no American agent, facility or program was compromised as a result of my actions - not one. But this salient fact was conveniently overlooked by Mr. Weinberger, who felt that I deserved the death penalty for having had the audacity to make Israel "too strong."

In retrospect, perhaps one of the worst things that the Reagan administration did to Israel during the course of my trial was that it purposely distorted the nature of my activities in such a way as to leave the impression that Israel had somehow become a threat to the national security of this country. So, by intent, the subsequent sentence that I received was an arrow aimed directly at the heart of the US-Israel "special relationship."

The case of Mr. and Mrs. Abdel Kader Helmy appears to be yet another instance where the political aspects of an espionage trial have been of paramount concern to the government. As you'll recall the Helmys are Egyptian-born US citizens who were accused last year of funneling highly sensitive ballistic missile technology to their native land. At the time of his arrest on June 24, 1988, Mr. Helmy was a senior propulsion engineer who held a "secret" level security clearance from the US Department of Defense. According to a 36 page affidavit filed by the Customs Service ... US customs agents searching [Mr.] Helmy's trash found handwritten notes outlining how to work with carbon-carbon fiber material used in rocket nose cones and "stealth" aircraft; instructions on building rocket exhaust nozzles; a description of an extremely sensitive microwave telemetry antenna; and a complete package needed to build or upgrade a tactical missile system.

Although there is no public evidence linking [Mr.] Helmy directly with the Iraqis, intelligence sources have indicated that the Egyptians have used [Mr.] Helmy's expertise to help Baghdad modify its stockpile of Soviet-supplied Scud-B ballistic rockets. His principle responsibility, however was to ensure the success of an Egyptian-Iraqi missile program which had encountered some developmental problems. Code named BADR 2000 by the Egyptians and SAAD-16 by the Iraqis, this Argentine-designed weapon has an estimated range of 500 to 1000 miles, and from what I've been told, figures prominently in Arab strategic planning against Israel.

If one compares the way in which the government responded to my affair with the soft-pedaling of the Helmy case, the existence of a double-standard becomes apparent. Firstly at the insistence of the State and Defense Departments, all espionage-related charges against Mr. and Mrs. Helmy have been quietly dropped.... [T]he administration has done everything it can to reduce the notoriety of the Helmy affair.

The problem ... lay in the fact that many of the photos that I turned over to the Israelis were of a number of Iraqi chemical weapons manufacturing plants which the government did not want to admit existed. Why? Well, if no one knew about these facilities the State and Defense Departments would have been spared the embarrassing task of confronting Iraq over its violation of the Geneva Protocol of 1925, which banned the use of chemical weapons in war. You have to remember... that at the time of my sentencing the massacre of Kurdish civilians in Halabja had not yet occurred, and what little concern was being voiced over Iraq's apparent use of poison gas was largely ignored by the administration which did not want to anger the Arab world by criticizing the use of such barbaric weapons against Iran. The photos I gave Israel, though, if "compromised" would have jeopardized the administration's policy of callous indifference to this issue, in that they constituted hard, irrefutable proof that Iraq was indeed engaged in the production and wide scale use of chemical weapons. What the administration was really concerned about was being placed in a position where it would have to admit that it had tacitly condoned the creation of an Iraqi chemical weapons manufacturing capability.

Once the atrocity of Halabja had occurred though, the White House was placed in a rather awkward position. On the one hand the US Intelligence community did not want to be accused of having failed to keep an eye on Iraq's burgeoning chemical weapons arsenal. Then again, the CIA ... could not very well confirm the existence of the Iraqi poison gas plants without running the risk of compromising the Reagan administration's policy towards these facilities.

After a few days of "soul searching," the State Department finally admitted that the US had intercepted some Iraqi Intelligence communications which indicated that lethal gas had, in fact, been used against unarmed Kurdish civilians. The Iranians had astutely outmaneuvered them, though, and the issue had to be "contained" before it caused a rift in US - Arab relations. Certainly, confirming the undeniable operational employment of chemical munitions by the Iraqis was preferable to describing the exact dimensions of their poison gas plants, which would have raised some uncomfortable questions on Capitol Hill.

Thus in attempt to recapture the moral "high ground," so to speak, from Iran, the White House evidently decided that it would be better for the US to be seen as leading the public denunciation of Iraq rather than the Ayatollah Khomeini. As it was though, the Administration still managed to salvage its standing in the Arab world by preventing Congress from imposing any punitive sanctions against Iraq. In essence, then, what I did by passing satellite photos of the Iraqi poison gas plants to Israel, was to endanger the Reagan Administration's pro-Saudi political agenda, not the intelligence community's "sources and methods."

According to the prosecution, there were two reasons why the government refused to tell Israel about Iraq's poison gas plants: 1) fear of compromising the KH-11 [intelligence] system and 2) concern over Israel's probable reaction once they recognized the threat these facilities posed to their survival.

What the Israelis would actually have considered was a preventative attack on the Iraqi chemical factories before they had become fully operational. Once they had come online, you see, and the Iraqis had been able to disperse their arsenal of chemical munitions, these plants, like the ones in Syria, would only have been attacked either in war time where the idea of a preemptive strike is valid, or in a clandestine sabotage campaign aimed at slowing their production of poisons. This was the same reasoning, by the way, that lay behind the Reagan Administration's desire to bomb the Rabta industrial complex before the Libyans had had the opportunity to complete its construction.

The crisis over the Rabta plant does beg the question, though: If the Reagan administration felt justified in its desire to eliminate what it perceived to be an impending Libyan chemical threat to our national security, why was it so unwilling to grant Israel the same right of preventative self- defense with regard to Iraq's poison gas manufacturing facilities?

So what was I supposed to do? Let Israel fend for herself? If you think that is what I should have done, then how can we condemn all those ... who during the Second World War consciously participated in the abandonment of European Jewry? Seriously, Rabbi, what would be the difference between what they did and a decision on my part to have kept silent about the Iraqi poison gas threat to Israel? I'd rather be rotting in prison than sitting shiva for the hundreds of thousands of Israelis who could have died because of my cowardice.    -Jonathan Pollard.


J4JP Post Script: As America again prepares to go to war against Iraq in 2002, the above written by Jonathan Pollard and published in the Wall Street Journal in 1991 is both timely and relevant. It was political self-interest which caused America to ignore Iraq's violation of the Geneva Protocol of 1925 and to turn a blind eye to its amassing an arsenal of non-conventional weapons which now threaten the world. It is the same kind of political expedience and indifference to the truth concerning America's role in the arming of Iraq which permits the blatant injustice of the Pollard case to continue to this day.
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KEYWORDS: casparweinburger; iraq; israel; pollard; spy
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From 1991 -- however, it's very topical, Pollard was jailed for the very reason we are about to go to war with Iraq today. Pollard endangered the Administration's pro-Saudi political agenda -- I can see why Caspar Weinburger, in full CYA mode, wanted Pollard canned permanently.
1 posted on 11/04/2002 5:23:58 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: RCW2001; bvw; Ranger; Asclepius; livius; Joe Boucher; mountaineer; Diverdogz; Commander8; ...
. . . Continued Pollard discussion . . .
2 posted on 11/04/2002 5:25:06 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Pollard can stay locked up forever. I don't recall seeing his name on any ballot.
3 posted on 11/04/2002 5:28:39 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Appeasement of Iraq Made Me A Spy

So the devil made him do it. How convenient. ... It wasn't the money he pocketed. Oh no.

If Bibbi become foreign minister, I'm sure he'll be trying to trade Pollard for not striking at Iran or some B.S.

4 posted on 11/04/2002 5:30:55 PM PST by Ranger
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Is there a Pollard Ping list? If yes, put me on it.
5 posted on 11/04/2002 5:32:05 PM PST by Mercat
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To: Mercat; theDentist; Darth Reagan; DreamWeaver; mr.pink; paddles; Scuttlebutt; ...
FYI...
6 posted on 11/04/2002 5:35:05 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: JohnathanRGalt; dennisw
Here we go again. Next will be the discussion of Israel attacking the USN Liberty in 1967. Jonathan Pollard was an American traitor, and that's that. But the mud-slinging will soon begin...
7 posted on 11/04/2002 5:38:06 PM PST by xJones
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Pollard was jailed for the very reason we are about to go to war with Iraq today.

No, he was not. Pollard was jailed for a very specific reason: he was a professional in a position of high trust who knew precisely what the rules were. He signed multiple copies of agreements detailing specifically what he could not do and what would happen to him if he did. He deliberately, knowingly released information entrusted to him (and for which many people risked their lives) to a foreign government - it does not matter which one or why. The penalty is life in prison. Death if in wartime. This is not a surprise, nor is it disproportionate, it's exactly what he knew he was risking and now he has to pay the price. All of it.

8 posted on 11/04/2002 5:39:00 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Pollard endangered the Administration's pro-Saudi political agenda

Exactly. Anything or anyone that stands in the way of our cozy relationship with the kingdom that brought us 15 of the 19 hijackers, Osama bin Laden, and the most radical (and anti-American) Islamic sect in the world (Wahabbism) must be "brought to justice." Pollard fit the bill.

9 posted on 11/04/2002 5:40:44 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: JohnathanRGalt
I'd rather be rotting in prison than sitting shiva for the hundreds of thousands of Israelis who could have died because of my cowardice.

Fine. Then do everyone a favor and shut up.
10 posted on 11/04/2002 5:41:03 PM PST by rmlew
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To: rmlew
Johnny's proud of what he did, then, eh ?
11 posted on 11/04/2002 5:45:47 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Are you really a Pollard apologist? A simple answer, yes or no, or go into further detail if you want.
12 posted on 11/04/2002 5:55:23 PM PST by xJones
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To: JohnathanRGalt
"Appeasement of Iraq Made Me A Spy" -- bwahahahahahahaha!!! Jonathan Pollard Joins War Party -- details at 11....
13 posted on 11/04/2002 5:55:56 PM PST by Justin Raimondo
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To: Mercat; RCW2001
Is there a Pollard Ping list? If yes, put me on it.

I don't know of any. I'll volunteer to start one unless one already exists.


Pollard has certainly been a popular topic for discussion on FreeRepublic for many years:

Where is Jonathan? [Pollard, of course...]
Clinton's deal for Pollard
Clinton may pardon Pollard
Clinton Gets Advice On Spy Pollard
Clinton to Pardon Pollard?
Knesset Remembers Pollard...
Why Pollard Remains Behind Bars
Clinton to Release Pollard!
Spy- Pollard =Clinton Pardon
Clinton Tries To Deal Away Pollard
No Pardon for Pollard
BILL OWES POLLARD A PARDON
RICK: GET OFF THE FENCE ON POLLARD
Remembering Pollard
Let Pollard Go...
"What? Is Pollard Ill?"
Why Pollard Should Never Be Released (The Traitor)
Expose: Using Pollard to get Rich
Pollard pardon must be on agenda
Fighting for a Chance for Pollard
The Case Against Jonathon Pollard
Nothing to Reconsider (re:convicted spy Pollard)
Esther Pollard Interview
Pollard ..... Jonathon
Pollard
Hunger Strike For Pollard (Students For A Free Pollard...)
Pollard: A rebuttal to Ha'aretz article by Esther Pollard
Interview: Esther Pollard
The Pollard Test
The Ultimatum - And His Name is Pollard
Don't Release Pollard
POLLARD AND POLITICS
AFTER THE FALN, WHY NOT POLLARD?
Plea For Pollard
INSIDE POLLARD . . .
America went over the top regarding Pollard
Clinton and Pollard
Pollard hopeful GOP changes will benefit him
Rev. Al to Fight for Pollard?
CNS: Israelis Tell Pollard To Clam UP
Another Take on the Pollard Affair
'The Traitor': Hersh on Pollard
Cards Look Good For Pollard
U.S. Congressman: Pollard Should Be Freed
Israel Recognizes Pollard as a Spy
Controversy over convicted spy Pollard
Ze'evi Remembers Pollard
Netanyahu Visits Pollard
Pollard says he had bags packed
MK Kleiner Visits Pollard

14 posted on 11/04/2002 5:57:18 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: Justin Raimondo
Well, look what the cat drug in.
15 posted on 11/04/2002 5:59:25 PM PST by Howlin
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Pollard abused his trust and abused his country. I don't fault Israelis for spying on the U.S. They are doing it for their country. Catch them and give them the heave or jail them if they lack diplomatic immunity. But I do fault Americans who spy against their own country. The name for that is treason, and it is despicable.
16 posted on 11/04/2002 6:00:31 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
He is proud of it.
I think that he should be quiet. He may have been a spy for a good reason (don't all spies justify their actions?), but he was a spy. Right now Pollard only hurts Israel.
Doo bad the Jewish-American and Israeli Right don't understand this. Add to this a few idiots who think the commandment to help the kidnapped applies and this is a quasi-religious issue. Schmucks.
17 posted on 11/04/2002 6:01:02 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Billthedrill
No, he was not. Pollard was jailed for a very specific reason: he was a professional in a position of high trust who knew precisely what the rules were. He signed multiple copies of agreements detailing specifically what he could not do and what would happen to him if he did. He deliberately, knowingly released information entrusted to him (and for which many people risked their lives) to a foreign government - it does not matter which one or why. The penalty is life in prison. Death if in wartime. This is not a surprise, nor is it disproportionate, it's exactly what he knew he was risking and now he has to pay the price. All of it.

Well said. Thank you.

He did the crime; he should shut his piehole and do the time.
18 posted on 11/04/2002 6:10:39 PM PST by Jarhead_22
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To: Jarhead_22; Billthedrill; JohnathanRGalt
Well spoken, Bill & Jarhead.

Pollard's material did NOT covr Iraq--it covered the USSR. And a largish amount of the material turned out to be going to the USSR (an Israeli with access to it turned out to be a KGB agent).
19 posted on 11/04/2002 6:14:02 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Nice list...wonder how many of those posts are mine? ;)
20 posted on 11/04/2002 6:15:25 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: xJones
Are you really a Pollard apologist? A simple answer, yes or no, or go into further detail if you want.

Yes - I believe that it is important to do the right thing, no matter what the consequences.

No - He must be punished for his activities however justified he may have felt them to be.

However, he has been incarcerated too long compared with the gravity of the crime (one count of passing information to an ally) - whatever 'damage' was done (none) - and compared to other spies who have received lesser sentences and who caused greater harm.
21 posted on 11/04/2002 6:24:31 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I agree! Pollard deserves hanging but I guess there is a hemp shortage in the Federal Pen.
22 posted on 11/04/2002 6:25:20 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: Poohbah
Pollard's material did NOT covr Iraq--it covered the USSR. And a largish amount of the material turned out to be going to the USSR (an Israeli with access to it turned out to be a KGB agent).

URL please. We need a source on that statement. -- thanks.

23 posted on 11/04/2002 6:27:34 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: JohnathanRGalt
This was in the papers at the time--I would recommend a good library. It caused quite a stink in the Knesset when it came out. As for URL--well, guess what, son, not every damn fact is on the Internet.
24 posted on 11/04/2002 6:31:13 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Jarhead_22; Billthedrill; Squantos; sneakypete
Once again the USMC said it all so well! He KNEW that he was handling sensitive documents that could cost Americans their lives. He KNEW that the Israelis were seriously compromised by the GRU/KGB and that POS gave the Mossad secrets. To Pollard, shut your piehole traitor. And consider youself lucky that you are not getting the living crap kicked out of you daily (and you deserve that and more) and are in Club Fed not Soledad.

If Pollard wanted to be in and truly serve Israel, he could have dragged his sorry ass over there. The word is Aliyah. Pollard was not man enough to do that: He wanted the benefits of American citizenship and the $$ he got from Israel and Moscow. Scum is too kind a word for him. </ off rant>
25 posted on 11/04/2002 6:32:06 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: Ranger
If Bibbi become foreign minister, I'm sure he'll be trying to trade Pollard for not striking at Iran or some B.S.

You're sure, huh? Netenyahu was Prime Minister for a number of years, and I don't remember him trading anything for Pollard. Do you have superior knowledge, or intense hatred?

ML/NJ

26 posted on 11/04/2002 6:33:49 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: JohnathanRGalt
However, he has been incarcerated too long compared with the gravity of the crime (one count of passing information to an ally) - whatever 'damage' was done (none) - and compared to other spies who have received lesser sentences and who caused greater harm.

The other traitors mentioned in your link should have gotten much harder sentences. All traitors should. And Pollard is an American traitor, the fact that he is ethnic Jewish and was paid by Israel makes no difference. Either you are an American and faithfully serve or you should be somewhere else. Let Pollard rot, he chose his own course. If you don't understand that, maybe you should HONESTLY join another country.

27 posted on 11/04/2002 6:41:42 PM PST by xJones
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To: JohnathanRGalt
And as we all know, Jonathan Pollard always tells the truth...especially when his ass is on the line...especially when he's a convicted spy...*snicker*

Jonathan Pollard will die in his American prison cell, no matter how many of his FReeper water-carriers hope otherwise.

28 posted on 11/04/2002 6:46:04 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: ml/nj

Netanyahu Reveals Clinton Double-Cross On Pollard Release

by Shimon Shiffer
Yediot Ahronot 18 June 1999
Translated by Dr. Aaron Lerner (IMRA)

Netanyahu plans in the book he is currently writing to publish several details that will considerably embarrass the president of the United States. In one of the chapters Clinton will earn the title 'International Swindler'.

And this is the story. In September '98, Yom Kippur Eve, Clinton and Netanyahu met for a conversation in the White House, during the course of which Netanyahu agreed to attend the conference at Wye Plantation with Yasser Arafat on condition that Clinton would act to immediately release the spy Jonathan Pollard. Clinton, according to Netanyahu and his closest advisors, agreed to the condition. Netanyahu explained to him that this gesture would help him to get the support from his constituents for the painful part of the agreement he expected to sign - continuation of the withdrawal from the territories. "Bibi went to Wye knowing that Clinton would immediately release Pollard with the signing of the agreement with the Palestinians," the advisors of the departing prime minister said this week.

During the course of the Wye summit the matter of Pollard was discussed several times between Clinton and Netanyahu. There were only a few in on the great secret: ministers Sharon, Mordechai and Sharansky.

At the end of the conference, at 5:00 AM, after arrangements had already been made for the signing ceremony, Clinton put his hand on Netanyahu's shoulder and asked him to step aside with him so he could tell him a few things. One of those present in the room saw Clinton and Netanyahu as they spoke from a distance. "Netanyahu turned pale, and Clinton hugged him," the man said this week.

When Netanyahu returned to the center of the room, he told his advisors and ministers that Clinton had announced to him that he could not honor his promise to release Pollard. "We were shocked," said one of them. "We thought that Bibi should go back to Clinton and tell him: 'if that is the case then there is no agreement with the Palestinians. You lied to me.' Our problem was that we did not want to find ourselves again in the terrible situation that both in Israel and the world Netanyahu would be presented as a liar, and would not talk at all about the real liar."

Foreign Minster Sharon, who was summoned to the room, was of the opinion that the agreement must not be signed. Minister Sharansky also said that the signing ceremony must be postponed. At the end, after Clinton promised to continue acting for the release of Pollard, the Israeli side folded. The signing ceremony was held with some delay, and Pollard remained in prison.

Netanyahu plans to reveal his full account in his book, in which Clinton will be presented as a scoundrel who did not intend, from the outset, to honor his part in the process that led to the Wye conference.


See also:
29 posted on 11/04/2002 6:51:24 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: wimpycat
Israel's got nothing to trade. Seems like a sad handicap for them vs. say, the Rooski's.
But that's life.
30 posted on 11/04/2002 6:51:31 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Pollard gave a small ROOM of documents to the Israelis, who gave it to the USSR. It turned out that the USSR had been able to intercept and decrypt all US naval trasmissions (including those to nuclear submarines) for over 20 years.

Using the information that Pollard supplied, it is even conceivable that the Sovs would have been able to prevent or even to countermand a Presidential order to US submarines to launch a secondary strike against the Soviet Union. I hope that he dies in jail, and that before he does, he has become quite a popular girlfriend to have among the inmates there.

Can anyone guess what the Mossad would have done to an American who'd done to Israel what Pollard did to the US?

Well, you don't have to wonder :

A Jewish immigrant of Yemeni extraction working on then-secret Israeli nuclear ambitions snapped some photos of the lab where he worked. He handed these photos off to journalists. Published in newspapers, these few well-chosen photos showed irrefutable proof to any nuclear scientist in the world with half a brain that Israeli had the bomb.

Now, Israel certainly didn't encourage this disclosure, and this disclosure was embarrassing. But actually you can make a pretty good case that de-facto exposure of the Israeli bomb did nothing to lessen her defenses (something that no one could say of Pollard's betrayal, at least insofaras US security is concerned). Some would even say that the disclosure enhanced Israeli security.

With the help of a beautiful American Jewish woman, who pretended to be an American expatriate abroad in London and feigned a romantic interest in this man, the Israelis kidnapped Israeli traitor from London.

For taking these few photos, the Israelis sentenced him to 20 years in prison.

Did they have good cause? Of course they did. But what would they have done to him if he had pulled a "Pollard"?

Good Lord, it would have been a .22 below the ear...

31 posted on 11/04/2002 6:51:56 PM PST by gaijin
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To: RCW2001
If Clinton reneged, then it'd be vertually the only thing done right in his 8 year admistration. Kudos to Bubba.
32 posted on 11/04/2002 6:55:22 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
LOL...that thought crossed my mind also. :)
33 posted on 11/04/2002 6:57:40 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
Netanyahu plans in the book he is currently writing to publish several details that will considerably embarrass the president of the United States. In one of the chapters Clinton will earn the title 'International Swindler'.

I know that there was some talk about a Pollard deal, but the bottom line is that it never happened. The article you quote is from 1999, three years ago. But so far there is no Netanyahu book with the promised quote. Possibly this is honor among thieves, but also possibly this is just Clinton BS to discredit someone he never liked. Let me guess.

ML/NJ

34 posted on 11/04/2002 6:59:41 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: RCW2001
You would show up, of course. You never saw a "Pollard should be shot" thread you didn't like. Anything that has an anti-Israel connotation is right up your alley.
35 posted on 11/04/2002 7:05:25 PM PST by xJones
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To: Poohbah
Pollard's material did NOT covr Iraq--it covered the USSR. And a largish amount of the material turned out to be going to the USSR (an Israeli with access to it turned out to be a KGB agent).

URL please. We need a source on that statement. -- thanks.

This was in the papers at the time--I would recommend a good library. It caused quite a stink in the Knesset when it came out. As for URL--well, guess what, son, not every damn fact is on the Internet.

Well, guess what, son, I think you're just blowing smoke and passing gas. We'll have to assume that you are just making all this up off the top of your head.

In 1998 the entire Knesset signed a pro-Pollard letter.

36 posted on 11/04/2002 7:07:17 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Appeasement of Iraq Made Me A Spy
- by Jonathan Pollard
Sorry, Johnny dear.

You pulled your sh*t during the Cold War. You might have been a hero in 1991. But your ass was too wrapped up in dollar signs and political games to have anything to do with Saddam's invasion of Iraq.

F*-off for trying to blame this on us.
F*-off for blaming the nation you betrayed.
F*-off for excusing your sorry ass on someone else.

Even the liberals want the DC Sniper to die. I wish you could die a thousand times for every victim of the sniper. He betrayed fellow citizens. You betrayed a nation. You might have killed millions.

37 posted on 11/04/2002 7:12:24 PM PST by nicollo
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Pollard should have been shot.I can not comprehend the absolute stupidity evinced by his traitorous supporters in the USA.

Did you just jump on the bandwagon because this POS was Jewish? Have you no capacity to imagine the damage the POS named Pollard did to the USA? Is the USA a sovereign nation or not?

I have never understood the hatred Jews claim to be their lot in life. If support of the the likes of Pollard are their idols, I begin to see a point to anti-semitism.I have been convinced of the virtue of anti-islamism since 9/11/01.

I am up for a two-fer.

Let your ancient Gods battle it out.But since both sides in this "war" have insisted the USA play, do not be shocked when the USA crushes both of your "evil" houses.

The majority of the population of the USA feels a deeper sympathy to Israel, and considers the terrorist tactics of Islamic countries to be totally without merit.

Keep pushing for Pollard's release.It shows the USA that Israel is just the flip side of the coin of Al Queda.

A pox on both of your houses.And a nuke or two would solve the whole problem.The middle eastern fanatics have made a fatal error in demanding the attention of the USA to "solve" their ancient religious problems.

Welcome to the 21st century.

We see your problem.You both demand we "cure" it.Be carefull what you wish for.....

38 posted on 11/04/2002 7:12:51 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Tell me this, if Pollard was an ethnic Iraqi and was paid by the Iraqi government to pass on classified information that they could use and sell to other countries hostile to the U.S., would the ethnic Iraqi Pollard deserve life in prison?
39 posted on 11/04/2002 7:13:25 PM PST by xJones
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To: sarasmom
bump
40 posted on 11/04/2002 7:23:20 PM PST by Phillip Augustus
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To: ml/nj
Bibbi tried to get Clinton to release Pollard by holding up any agreement when Clinton needed it for his reelection bid. And by the way, don't pull that 'hatred' BS with me.
41 posted on 11/04/2002 7:27:07 PM PST by Ranger
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To: gaijin
Pollard gave a small ROOM of documents to the Israelis, who gave it to the USSR. It turned out that the USSR had been able to intercept and decrypt all US naval trasmissions (including those to nuclear submarines) for over 20 years.

Using the information that Pollard supplied, it is even conceivable that the Sovs would have been able to prevent or even to countermand a Presidential order to US submarines to launch a secondary strike against the Soviet Union. I hope that he dies in jail, and that before he does, he has become quite a popular girlfriend to have among the inmates there.

URL please. We need a reference on that unsubstantiated statement. Otherwise, we'll all have to assume you're blowing smoke -- we'll have no Al-taqiyya here at FreeRepublic.

Well, you don't have to wonder:

A Jewish immigrant of Yemeni extraction working on then-secret Israeli nuclear ambitions snapped some photos of the lab where he worked. . . .
For taking these few photos, the Israelis sentenced him to 20 years in prison.

Did they have good cause? Of course they did. But what would they have done to him if he had pulled a "Pollard"?

Good Lord, it would have been a .22 below the ear...

No, not 20 years. I assume you are refering to Mordechai Vanunu who was sentenced to 18 years. He should be out in 2004 but he was up for parole (two years early) at the end of last month. Google news makes no mention of the outcome of his parole hearing one way or the other. Anyone know? I've sent a message to the webmasters of the Vanunu website to see if they know. I'll report back.

(By the way, I think Vanunu did the right thing too).

Jonathan Pollard is now in his 18th year of incarceration -- and will probably spend the rest of his life there. Vanunu has been in jail for the last 16 years.

42 posted on 11/04/2002 7:29:24 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: xJones
You never saw a "Pollard should be shot" thread you didn't like...

Hell, I think I've posted most of them...glad to see others doing so for a change. ;)

43 posted on 11/04/2002 7:30:55 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: RCW2001
Hell, I think I've posted most of them...glad to see others doing so for a change. ;)

Hell yes, you have. But Israel will stand, and the diaper heads will take a dump in their own head cloths. Jonathan Pollard is trash, but Osama and his kind are the real enemies.

44 posted on 11/04/2002 7:42:12 PM PST by xJones
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To: RCW2001
If Jonathan Pollard is "sprung" by this administration, GWB will be on no higher moral grounds then Clinton's pardoning of tax cheat Marc Rich.

I don't think GWB is going to do it, no matter how much the pressure.

45 posted on 11/04/2002 7:43:55 PM PST by bulldog905
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Perhaps a life sentence is a bit harsh, but 20 years is not not. Treason is treason. If he wanted to pass secrets to Israel, he should have left the country and renounced his citizenship first. We are a nation of laws, not men. His opinion on what should/should not remain protected by our intelligence apparatus was not relevant. If he wanted to blow the whistle he could have contacted the press. But he crossed the line when he offered classified information to a foreign country--it does not matter friend or foe--without permission.
46 posted on 11/04/2002 8:10:48 PM PST by montag813
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Why the defense of Pollard? Is it because he spied for Israel?

If so, can you provide a list of other nations for which it's permissible to ignore security clearance requirements?

Is it because he is an American Jew?

If so, are there any other groups that should get special consideration when they break federal law?
47 posted on 11/04/2002 8:13:36 PM PST by Jarhead_22
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To: xJones
Tell me this, if Pollard was an ethnic Iraqi and was paid by the Iraqi government to pass on classified information that they could use and sell to other countries hostile to the U.S., would the ethnic Iraqi Pollard deserve life in prison?

First, I know that Israel admitted that Pollard was a spy for them in 1998 in the hopes of increasing Pollard's chance of getting him released by the Clinton administration. We don't know how much he was paid (if at all) by the Israeli government.  Anyone know?

Second, I've already commented on a similar case -- Vanunu, an ethnic Moroccan who worked in a Israeli nuclear centre and blew the whistle on Israeli possession of nukes -- in the previous post. I think 18 years is too long, certainly not life.

The U.S. had pledged to share information with Israel -- and did not.  The U.S. betrayed it's ally before Pollard passed the first secret. Pollard thought it strange and dangerous that the data concerning the Iraqi poison gas operation was being withheld from Israel. "I was so scared about what was being withheld, and the more I dug, the more horrified I became about the extent of the betrayal."

Pollard's concerns were exacerbated when a superior officer told him, "Jews are too sensitive about gas."

48 posted on 11/04/2002 8:21:05 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: JohnathanRGalt
URL please. We need a reference on that unsubstantiated statement. Otherwise, we'll all have to assume you're blowing smoke -- we'll have no Al-taqiyya here at FreeRepublic.

In your post, you provided a link that defined "Al-taqiyaa".

I clicked on the link you provided, and I came up with the following definition:

Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims.

Is it your aim to somehow send me into a kind of intellectual panic?

In other words, when I state my feeling that this American traitor should be punished in America for hurting my country, America, is it your position that my feelings make me somehow muslim?

That seems odd.

Please explain.

Now, in view of your apparent ignorance that the Pollard take was, in fact, brokered to the USSR, I don't know if you're up to snuff regarding Israeli matters, but I'd like to ask you a question:

Are Israelis who support Israeli punishement of Israeli traitors similarly derided in Israel by other Israelis as being somehow MUSLIM?

I'd like you to answer that.

Let me frame it up in more specific terms:

If a couple Israeli soldiers are brought up on charges of selling ammo to Hezbollah (another recent item), can Israelis who support the punishment of such traitors expect to be tarred by other Israelis with the "MUSLIM" brush?

And I would like you, JohathanRGalt, to answer that question.

49 posted on 11/04/2002 8:31:12 PM PST by gaijin
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To: JohnathanRGalt
The U.S. had pledged to share information with Israel -- and did not. The U.S. betrayed it's ally

I'll admit that an invitation to dinner does, strictly speaking, constitute an invitation to share something. It's an invitation to share some food.

If you should accept this invitation to share, and following dinner I discourage you from heftying my silverware away in a pillowcase, have I, too, betrayed you?

50 posted on 11/04/2002 8:37:19 PM PST by gaijin
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