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Posted on 11/05/2002 3:25:35 PM PST by Howlin
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*He pinked me! Don't harm him, bring him up here. I want to get a good look at him...*
--T.R., 14 October 1912, Milwaukee.
But do you know why black was Ford's preferred colour choice?Ford's biographer, Nevins, discounts that story. It came from an early factory worker's recollections. Like many such stories, Ford rebuilt it into legend. He was a master at p.r.
The first "T's" in 1909 were red and gray, then Brewster Green. BUT, black did become the only color, and you are right.
The black paint dried quickest.
At a meeting to discuss the Panama Canal, Roosevelt asked the Cabinet about the legality of his actions, which were under attack in Congress. No, Mr. President, if I were you I would not have any taint of legality about it, replied Attorney General Knox. Roosevelt exclaimed, Have I answered the charges? Have I defended myself? Secretary of War Elihu Root settled the matter with, You certainly have, Mr. President. You have shown that you were accused of seduction and you have conclusively proved that you were guilty of rapeI dont recall offhand the source, but a quick check finds it described in T. R.: The Last Romantic, by H. W. Brands, pg. 488. I think Henry Pringle first dug it up, but Im not sure.
Oh, I mispoke with this: many of Debs' closest advisers helped prepare the Bull Moose platform.
Thats called typing before thinking. The socialist who helped TR was Bruere (cant remember first name), and he helped edit Roosevelts Bull Moose nomination acceptance speech, not the platform. In public, Debs credited himself for the Progressive plank. Word of the Bruere assistance to Roosevelt upset not the Progressives but the socialists who called Bruere a traitor.
Yep, Taft took only a few thousand votes in CA, and Debs some 80,000. That says more about California than Taft (he, he). Hiram Johnson had that state wrapped up. Interestingly, Debs scored 50,000 votes in Oklahoma, almost as many as Taft. I dont know OK politics, although it was Democratic then (home of the blind Senator Gore who was also corrupt; maybe he figured he couldnt be accused of things he couldnt see...). Btw, my list has Taft taking almost 5,000 in AZ, which had a far lower vote total than CA. They hated Taft in AZ because he vetoed the first constitution which had judicial recall in it. Taft said he wrote his heart into that veto.
1912 was a wild year. My next work will be a closer study of it. Cant wait to start, which means finishing this other one first.
Again, thanks, and I hope Ive at least got you thinking about TR and the judiciary.
PS Indeed, Roosevelt's "strenuosity" paid off in Oct/1912. His doctor said his huge chest muscles saved his life and that he'd never seen such a strong man.
Yep. And carbon pigment was cheapest, aside from oxide red hues made from iron and other oxides, [*rust*] as per flat-red barn paint.
The Pennsylvania Railroad came to the same conclusion in that same era with their dark *Brunswick Green* for passenger cars and locomotives, a green so dark as to be indistinguishable from black except in the brightest daylight. And the thousands upon thousands of freight equipment and locos painted in the Pennsy's red-oxide *Freight-car colour* may not have been as glossy, but were cheaper to maintain.
There was a Robert Bruere who wrote for the New York Post and Harpers back then, covering the I.W.W. and labour movement, and, in particular, the forced relocation of immigrant and Wobbly-inclined miners from the Phelps Dodge copper mines around Bisbee, Arizona to Columbus, New Mexico during WWI. It might have been the same literary light, or perhaps a relative. But possibly that osometime New Yorker could have had connections to T.R. dating back to Roosevelt's time in New York as Police Commissioner.
Afraid I'm better acquainted with the material from the New York Sun in those and later days...
1912 was a wild year...
I'm sure those sailing from Liverpool aboard the Titanic would agree, and Wilbur wright certainly found at least one event that year to be a personal milestone....
Thanks and I hope I've got you thinking about T.R. and the judiciary.
I took the canal zone and let congress debate, and while the debate goes on, the canal does also.
--T.R., at Berkeley, California, 23 March,1911.
Be honest, and remember that honesty counts for nothing unless back of it lie courage and efficiency.
--T.R., The Groton School; 24 May 1904>
A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of its user.
The only autobio worse than TR's was La Follette's quivering piece, or Amos Pinchot's. Seriously. Compare them to Grant's, for example, or even Taft's post-presidential works (no autobiography), both of which are wholly devoid of the Rooseveltian "I". Thank God his nephew didn't live long enough to write his own autobio. Then again, too bad he didn't retire in time to write it...
Can you tell that the whole generation of progressives really pisses me off?
Here's a Bull Moose graphic back at you:
... or this...
And this pretty one [still relevant today!]
And this 'un! Say, what was Taft's home state...?