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Man in NY Hospital has Bubonic Plague
Posted on 11/06/2002 7:18:59 PM PST by Heff
Man admitted to a NY hospital has Bubonic Plague but Greta from Fox News is reporting that health officials say the man got it naturally and its nothing to worry about.
They also admitted a woman, who had been traveling with the infected man.
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Nothing to worry about huh?
posted on 11/06/2002 7:18:59 PM PST
Who is he, and where did he come from? Travelling!!!
posted on 11/06/2002 7:21:27 PM PST
Not sure...thats all I heard of the report...sorry.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:23:36 PM PST
Bubonic Plague killed 1/4 of the earths population- nothing to worry about.
It's in one of the most populous cities in the world- nothing to worry about.
The man was traveling and his companion has it- nothing to worry about.
Did he get it drinking from a wooded stream in North Carolina?????????
posted on 11/06/2002 7:28:15 PM PST
by CJ Wolf
Bubonic Plague A contagious, often fatal epidemic disease caused by the bacterium, Yersinia pestis, transmitted from person to person or by the bite of fleas from an infected host, especially a rat, and characterized by chills, fever, vomiting, diarrhea, and the formation of buboes. (American Heritage Dictionary)
Bacteria invade lymph nodes, which swell and are called Buboes
Blood vessels break, causing internal bleeding
Dried blood under the skin turns black, hence the name, "Black Death"
Spread is slow from person-to-person
Mortality is very high (up to 75%) in untreated cases
Early treatment with antibiotics is very effective
To: CJ Wolf
Thats what I was thinking, probably the same wooded stream that guy got Anthrax from, they really should do something about that...lol
posted on 11/06/2002 7:31:08 PM PST
Introduction: Plague is an infectious disease of animals and humans caused by a bacterium named Yersinia pestis.
People usually get plague from being bitten by a rodent flea that is carrying the plague bacterium or by handling an infected animal. Millions of people in Europe died from plague in the Middle Ages, when human homes and places of work were inhabited by flea-infested rats. Today, modern antibiotics are effective against plague, but if an infected person is not treated promptly, the disease is likely to cause illness or death.
Risk: Wild rodents in certain areas around the world are infected with plague. Outbreaks in people still occur in rural communities or in cities. They are usually associated with infected rats and rat fleas that live in the home. In the United States, the last urban plague epidemic occurred in Los Angeles in 1924-25. Since then, human plague in the United States has occurred as mostly scattered cases in rural areas (an average of 10 to 15 persons each year). Globally, the World Health Organization reports 1,000 to 3,000 cases of plague every year. In North America, plague is found in certain animals and their fleas from the Pacific Coast to the Great Plains, and from southwestern Canada to Mexico. Most human cases in the United States occur in two regions: 1) northern New Mexico, northern Arizona, and southern Colorado; and 2) California, southern Oregon, and far western Nevada. Plague also exists in Africa, Asia, and South America (see map).
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Mexican couple on vacation.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:31:55 PM PST
Natural huh? The only natural thing here is Greta being a twit.
To: Lunatic Fringe
Actually, this is nothing to worry about. Bubonic Plague occurs a lot more than you think.
Bubonic Plague did not kill 1/4 of the worlds population, pneumonic plague actually did.
Very similar diseases, pneumonic is air borne, highly contagious. Caused the black death.
Bubonic is transmitted by fleas.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:34:34 PM PST
You still out there?
On a lighter note, I'd say that the Boobonic Plague has been alive in well in America...ask all the losing Democrats who got a visit from Captain Thud.
From The Merck Manual:
(Bubonic Plague; Pestis; Black Death)
An acute, severe infection appearing most commonly in a bubonic or pneumonic form, caused by the bacillus Yersinia pestis.
Etiology and Epidemiology
Yersinia pestis (formerly Pasteurella pestis) is a short bacillus that often shows bipolar staining (especially with Giemsa stain) and may resemble safety pins.
Plague occurs primarily in wild rodents (eg, rats, mice, squirrels, prairie dogs); it may be acute, subacute, or chronic, and urban (mainly murine) or sylvatic. Massive human epidemics have occurred (eg, the Black Death of the Middle Ages); more recently, plague has occurred sporadically or in limited outbreaks. In the USA, > 90% of human plague occurs in the southwestern states, especially New Mexico, Arizona, California, and Colorado. Bubonic plague is the most common form.
Plague is transmitted from rodent to humans by the bite of an infected flea vector. Human-to-human transmission occurs by inhaling droplet nuclei through the cough of patients with bubonic or septicemic plague who have pulmonary lesions (primary pneumonic plague). In endemic areas in the USA, a number of cases have been associated with household pets, especially cats. Transmission from cats can be by bite, or, if the cat has pneumonic plague, by inhalation of infected droplets.
Symptoms and Signs
In bubonic plague, the incubation period is usually 2 to 5 days but varies from a few hours to 12 days. Onset is abrupt and often associated with chills; the temperature rises to 39.5 to 41° C (103 to 106° F). The pulse may be rapid and thready; hypotension may occur. Enlarged lymph nodes (buboes) appear with or shortly before the fever. The femoral or inguinal lymph nodes are most commonly involved (50%), followed by axillary (22%), cervical (10%), or multiple (13%) nodes. Typically, the nodes are extremely tender and firm, surrounded by considerable edema; they may suppurate in the 2nd wk. The overlying skin is smooth and reddened but often not warm. A primary cutaneous lesion, varying from a small vesicle with slight local lymphangitis to an eschar, occasionally appears at the bite. The patient may be restless, delirious, confused, and uncoordinated. The liver and spleen may be palpable. The WBC count is usually 10,000 to 20,000/µL with a predominance of immature and mature neutrophils. The nodes may suppurate in the 2nd wk.
Primary pneumonic plague has a 2- to 3-day incubation period, followed by abrupt onset of high fever, chills, tachycardia, and headache, often severe. Cough, not prominent initially, develops within 20 to 24 h; sputum is mucoid at first, rapidly shows blood specks, and then becomes uniformly pink or bright red (resembling raspberry syrup) and foamy. Tachypnea and dyspnea are present, but pleurisy is not. Signs of consolidation are rare, and rales may be absent. Chest x-rays show a rapidly progressing pneumonia.
Septicemic plague usually occurs with the bubonic form as an acute, fulminant illness. Abdominal pain, presumably due to mesenteric lymphadenopathy, occurs in 40% of patients. Pharyngeal plague and plague meningitis are less common forms. Pestis minor, a benign form of bubonic plague, usually occurs only in endemic areas. Lymphadenitis, fever, headache, and prostration subside within a week.
Diagnosis and Prognosis
Diagnosis is based on recovery of the organism, which may be cultured from blood, sputum, or lymph node aspirate. Because surgical drainage may disseminate the organism, needle aspiration of a bubo is preferred. Y. pestis can grow on ordinary culture media or be isolated by animal (especially guinea pig) inoculation. Serologic tests include complement fixation, passive hemagglutination, and immunofluorescent staining of a node or tissue biopsy or secretions. Prior vaccination does not exclude plague in the differential diagnosis, since clinical illness may occur in vaccinated persons.
The mortality rate for untreated patients with bubonic plague is about 60%, with most deaths occurring from sepsis in 3 to 5 days. Most untreated patients with pneumonic plague die within 48 h of symptom onset. Septicemic plague may be fatal before bubonic or pulmonary manifestations predominate.
Prophylaxis and Treatment
Rodents should be controlled and repellents used to minimize fleabites. Although immunization with standard killed plague vaccine gives protection, vaccination is not indicated for most travelers to countries reporting cases of plague. Travelers should consider prophylaxis with tetracycline 500 mg po q 6 h during exposure periods.
Immediate treatment reduces mortality to < 5%. In septicemic or pneumonic plague, treatment must begin within 24 h with streptomycin 30 mg/kg/day IM in 4 divided doses q 6 h for 7 to 10 days. Many physicians give higher initial dosages, up to 0.5 g IM q 3 h for 48 h. Tetracycline 30 mg/kg IV or po in 4 divided doses is an alternative. Gentamicin is probably also effective, although no controlled clinical trials have been conducted. For plague meningitis, chloramphenicol should be given in a loading dose of 25 mg/kg IV, followed by 50 mg/kg/day in 4 divided doses IV or po. A multidrug-resistant strain has been reported from Madagascar.
Routine aseptic precautions are adequate for patients with bubonic plague. Those with primary or secondary pneumonic plague require strict (airborne agent) isolation. All pneumonic plague contacts should be under medical surveillance; their temperatures should be taken q 4 h for 6 days. If this is not possible, tetracycline 1 g/day po for 6 days can be given; however, this can produce drug-resistant strains.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:37:33 PM PST
Seems we get a couple cases every year or so in California. Nothing to worry about.
The city and state health department were joined by the Centers for Disease Control in their investigation into how the couple contracted the disease. The state health department in Sante Fe, New Mexico, where the couple lives, tested rodents on their property this summer. Apparently many of those rodents tested positive for the Bubonic plague.
Doctors say they believe the couple was infected in their home state after sleeping in a sleeping bags that had been outdoors on their property for several weeks. Those sleeping bags are now being tested.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:39:08 PM PST
New York huh? Did Hillary bite him?
Good info. Thanks.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:40:52 PM PST
In the years of World War II the Japanese army formed a special biological warfare division. This unit worked on developing a method to deliver the plague bacteria to the civilian population of China. They tested the effectiveness of the plague as a weapon of war first on prisoners of war, then on unsuspecting civilians. In their first tests they confined a small group of prisoners in a room with thousands of plague infested fleas. The mortality rate in these experiments were somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-60 percentThe next step was to release the plague on the general population of Manchuria. This was accomplished by planes flying over cities and villages and releasing large amounts of plague infested fleas over the town. This proved to be an inaccurate way of spreading the disease, and would periodically result in the infection of the air crew, so another method was devised. The infected fleas were packed into the shell of a conventional bomb and dropped, exploding just over the targeted towns. While exact figures are not know, it is known that these attacks killed many people and caused wide-spread terror in the towns. While this is the most recent example of plague being used as a bio-warfare agent it is certainly not an original idea. As discussed earlier, plague ridden bodies had been catapulted into Caffa, helping to break the city during siege. Recently there have been discussions on several news shows about bubonic plague being used as a terrorists weapon. Not only is this unnecessarily alarmist, but it would hardly be effective either. Plague would make a very ineffective biological agent. It is very hard to transmit, is easily identified by any medical professional, has a very low mortality rate, and can be treated very effectively with inexpensive antibiotics. One of the main methods of treatment for bubonic plague is the antibiotic Tetracycline, which is commonly prescribed to teenagers with severe acne. This antibiotic is readily, and cheaply available even in the most rural locations.. Source
To: Lunatic Fringe
"Bubonic Plague killed 1/4 of the earths population- nothing to worry about. It's in one of the most populous cities in the world- nothing to worry about. The man was traveling and his companion has it- nothing to worry about."
That's right. There is very little to worry about. Without the additional vectors (rats and fleas), widespread transmission to others is highly unlikely. More than likely, these travelers were touring some rat and flea infested Fourth World pesthole "for fun", and contracted it there.
Looks like we will not only have to fingerprint, and photograph foreigners coming into our country, but we also need to bath and sterilize them before releasing them into the public.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:43:27 PM PST
I have had 2 sets of free tickets to the movies for some time, but can't seem to get away from cable news shows. Everyday there is something new and execiting.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:46:05 PM PST
To: Wonder Warthog
Repeat!!It is very hard to transmit, is easily identified by any medical professional, has a very low mortality rate, and can be treated very effectively with inexpensive antibiotics. One of the main methods of treatment for bubonic plague is the antibiotic Tetracycline, which is commonly prescribed to teenagers with severe acne. This antibiotic is readily, and cheaply available even in the most rural locations.
To: Lunatic Fringe
Bubonic plague is treatable with antibiotics.
Plus, most americans come from European stock that survived that plague...many would have enough natural immunity to survive it, even if they contracted the disease.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:48:25 PM PST
That, and kill all the vermin out west. I heard about several plague cases while I was stationed at Nellis.
Tetracycline, which is commonly prescribed to teenagers with severe acne.
Isn't that the stuff that a parent tried to sue the makers because it caused her son to commit suicide.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:49:29 PM PST
Doctors say while the female patient is out of danger, her husband is in extremely critical condition. They say he was admitted with a fever of 105 degrees. High fever is one of the symptoms of the Bubonic plague.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:53:13 PM PST
To: TexKat; All
NEW YORK (Reuters) - A couple visiting from New Mexico are believed to have contracted bubonic plague and if confirmed this would constitute the first case of the illness in New York City in more than 100 years, health officials said on Wednesday.
The two are "being evaluated for plague," Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden told a news conference. The male patient, 53, is a presumptive positive for the illness and is in critical condition, he said. The female patient, 47, is in stable condition, officials said.
There is no risk to New Yorkers as bubonic plague is not contagious, Frieden said. Officials are "confident" the couple's exposure to the plague occurred in New Mexico, he said.
"All the epidemiological evidence suggests that these infections were naturally acquired in New Mexico," Frieden said. The source of the infection is "believed to be rodents or rodent fleas near their home," he said.
Plague is spread among people when an infected person has plague pneumonia and coughs droplets containing the plague bacteria into air that is breathed by a non-infected person.
Bubonic plague, which swept through Europe during the Middle Ages, has largely been eradicated. But the illness does still occur, with about a dozen cases reported each year in the United States, mostly in the rural Southwest, experts say.
The unidentified couple went to the emergency room at Beth Israel Medical Center in Manhattan on Tuesday night after several days of flu-like symptoms, high fevers and swollen lymph nodes, the hospital said in a statement. They were immediately placed in isolation, the hospital said.
If detected early, the illness is treatable with antibiotics. Bubonic plague occurs in areas where infection of wild animals is common. Plague also is one of the most feared potential biological weapons.
posted on 11/06/2002 7:56:42 PM PST
This is the News Media SHOUTING FIRE IN A CROWDED ROOM"
and the spread of panic without facts is just as much a Plague.
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"...they really should do something about that...lol"
The EPA won't let them - it would interfere with that area's wetlands program.
posted on 11/06/2002 8:03:51 PM PST
posted on 11/06/2002 8:10:03 PM PST
See info on plague and plague prevention in New Mexico here
. (Note especially the reference to removal of wrecked cars and piles of refuse from yards as an important preventative!)
To: Lunatic Fringe
Laurie Dhue said that it can be treated with antibiotics...hmmmmm
posted on 11/06/2002 8:20:22 PM PST
Bubonic is transmitted by fleas
I guess it would be a good idea to get some Advantage for the dog.......
posted on 11/06/2002 8:22:37 PM PST
To: Tijeras_Slim; woofie; Doctor Stochastic; Sweet_Sunflower29
PING for a New Mexico disease in the Big Apple. Must be a couple of Santa Fe greenies who let their sleeping bag get a little too close to the rodents who inhabit their woodpile. PING to other NM Freepers who need a chuckle tonight about something that would barely make the news here in "the Land of the Flea and Home of the Plague".
Its all them rats
posted on 11/06/2002 8:46:30 PM PST
Good evening -- I'm really glad to see Heather pulled it out last night. You were right about her coming from behind.
officials say the man got it naturally and its nothing to worry about.
That's the same thing they said about the first case of anthrax, BTW.
I guess they were just visiting NYC.
Nah! It's caused by secondhand smoke, don't cha know. That's why we have to raise the taxes again.
posted on 11/06/2002 9:40:57 PM PST
To: CJ Wolf
Probably from an infected flea etc.
posted on 11/06/2002 9:43:26 PM PST
Immigration let sent all the sick Immigration to America
posted on 11/06/2002 9:46:52 PM PST
NEW YORK (AP) - A New Mexico man in isolation at a New York City hospital tested positive for bubonic plague, the dangerous bacterial disease that has not been seen in the city in at least a century, health officials said today. City Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden said the 53-year-old-man's wife is also likely to have contracted the disease. The man was in hospital in critical condition Wednesday, while his 47-year-old wife was in stable condition. The couple were visiting New York.
Frieden said the disease is not contagious and New Yorkers are not at risk. Bubonic plague is normally transmitted from fleas that feed on infected rodents and cannot be spread person-to-person.
New Mexico health officials and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention were investigating at the couple's home in Santa Fe, where rodents and fleas on the property tested positive for plague, Frieden said. He said one-half of all cases of plague in the United States come from New Mexico.
The man, whose name wasn't released, tested positive in a preliminary test for plague, Frieden said. Preliminary test results for the woman have not come back, he said. Final test results won't be available for two days.
Health officials were combing their pre-1900 records to find the last case of bubonic plague in the city.
The couple, who came to New York City on Nov. 1, showed up at Beth Israel Hospital's emergency room Tuesday night, experiencing fever and swollen lymph nodes, hospital spokesman Mike Quane said. They said they had been sick for two days, Frieden said.
The patients were placed in isolation. Health officials also were testing for more common respiratory illnesses. The couple began a 10-day course of antibiotic treatment Tuesday.
Plague is one of a handful of agents U.S. health officials fear could be used in a bioterrorist attack. It occurs in 10 to 20 people in the United States and 1,000 to 3,000 people worldwide each year, said the CDC. About one in seven U.S. cases is fatal.
In extremely rare cases, bubonic plague can transform into pneumonic plague, a more serious form that is contagious. But even then, the patients' isolation in the hospital would keep the public away from any danger, Frieden said.
Plague outbreaks have killed about 200 million people in the last 1,500 years. The most infamous, Europe's Black Death, started in 1347, killing 25 million people in Europe and 13 million in the Middle East and China within five years.
posted on 11/06/2002 9:56:34 PM PST
Two visting from New Mexico, where many of the several hundred cases reported in the last 100 years have come from.
PLAGUE IS ENDEMIC
.... Plague is caused by a bacteria named Yersinia pestis
carried by fleas. For eons it lived in the blood of resistant wild rodents in northern Asia. During the Middle Ages, it somehow began to infect the domestic rats that infested towns and cities. After the rats died, their fleas fed upon the villagers themselves. Unable to imagine what was happening to them, more than half of Europe's entire population died as black death swept the continent.
In 1900, infected rats reached California on a ship from Asia. Soon plague spread from the port of San Francisco to other nearby cities, and to deer mice Peromyscus, and other resistant rodents. While towns in Marin and Sonoma counties largely escaped the outbreaks that affected most temperate regions of California, Y. pestis became firmly entrenched in the Coastal and Sierra Nevada Ranges. Tularemia is also carried by rodents in California.
Today, plague is endemic in resistant wild rodent populations throughout the western United States. Predators or scavengers can get the disease when they eat their prey, and hunters when they handle or skin infected game animals. From time to time the bacteria spreads to more susceptible rodents, like ground squirrels Spermophilus beecheyi. Epizootic outbreaks decimate the squirrel colonies, leaving hoards of infected, hungry fleas around the now empty burrows. Sites like these are especially dangerous to hunters, campers and nearby residents.
38 Cases Reported Since 1970
POSTED: July 3, 2002
LOS ANGELES -- State health officials issued a warning Wednesday to people planning to be outdoors this holiday weekend to guard against bubonic plague, which is carried by rodents in foothills, mountains and along coastal areas. Since 1970, 38 cases of the plague in humans have been reported statewide. The most recent report was in 2000 when a Kern County man survived the sometimes deadly disease by taking antibiotics, said Ken August of the California Department of Health Services. Symptoms include fever, chills, nausea, weakness and swollen glands.
I wonder how one contracts Bubonic plaque ... unnaturally.
To: Varmint Al; Squantos; wardaddy; Sabertooth; piasa; harpseal; maica
For eons it lived in the blood of resistant wild rodents in northern Asia. During the Middle Ages, it somehow began to infect the domestic rats that infested towns and cities.
It is generally accepted that plague spread from its endemic central asian home to Europe via the Marco Polo caravan routes to the Black Sea, and then by trading ship to Europe.
In Central Asia the locals had learned over time to never handle dead ground squirrels and other wild rodents, the host population for yersina pestis. This prevented the hungry pestis infected fleas from hopping from their cold dead host to humans, (the same as is true today in New Mexico etc).
As over land trade routes to Asia began to flourish in the early middle ages, caravans brought rats to these areas where the ground hogs cross infected them. Unlike the ground squirrels, the rats did not have immunity to pestis, and when they died of the disease their infected fleas went off searching for a new source of warm fresh blood, which was another rat, or an unlucky human.
The rats then over generations traveled along the caravan routes until they reached the seaports of the Black Sea and Mediterranean. Once the infected rats reached the seaports, Europe's fate was sealed and plague spread in a matter of years from one end of Europe to the other.
Instead of caravan, think "illegal aliens". Instead of seaports, think airports. Instead of plague, think smallpox etc.
Unless his name is Bill Clinton, I hope he recovers quickly rather than suffering a horrible and painful death. :)
To: Wonder Warthog
> More than likely, these travelers were touring some rat and flea infested Fourth World pesthole "for fun", and contracted it there.
They visited the Democratic National Committee.
posted on 11/06/2002 11:33:54 PM PST
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