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San Pedro Cancels "Tora, Tora, Tora" because it might offend Japanese-Americans (Barf Alert)
The Daily Breeze ^ | Tuesday, November 12, 2002 | Donna Littlejohn

Posted on 11/12/2002 2:12:37 PM PST by FreedomCalls

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To: Timesink
Old cars and swing dancing - this was a re-enactment - not a celebration. Ms. Hahn is probably one of those "Blue Noses" who is offended at Civil War battle re-enactments.

She should be sent back to her homeland.

51 posted on 11/12/2002 6:17:01 PM PST by muawiyah
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They will probably hold a gay baby whale grade school play next week and call it "mahhh-velous."
52 posted on 11/12/2002 6:18:13 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe
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To: Timesink
Actually it was in the LATE 1960's.
53 posted on 11/12/2002 6:37:35 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Timesink
No, just prescient satire.
54 posted on 11/12/2002 6:49:43 PM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: muawiyah
I studied Japanese history with a professor whose grandfather was an officer with Perry and whose family maintained close relations in the higher circles in Japan, he even taught at Wasada (in Japanese) as an exchange professor. Interesting history, US-Japanese relations in the early Mejii period.
55 posted on 11/12/2002 6:59:07 PM PST by CatoRenasci
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San Pedro Cancels "Tora, Tora, Tora" because it might offend Japanese-Americans

I surely must have you confused with someone else...but for some bizarre reason I thought
I remembered something about you and the reopening of this Warner Grand Theater
(and showing "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World").

So, I apologize for pinging as this was probably just stray voltage with my neurons.

But...all the same I thought you might like to read the story...
56 posted on 11/12/2002 7:03:33 PM PST by VOA
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To: FreedomCalls
What jerks! Tora! Tora! Tora! actually gives the Japanese a very fair shake. It portrays the leaders of the sneak attack with great dignity, and ends with the prophetic quote from Admiral Yamamoto--a rather tragic figure. The plan was his, but like Churchill's plan for Gallipoli was only half carried out.

There was supposed to be a second bombing followed by the landing of Japanese marines to occupy Hawaii. If it had been carried out, then nearest deep water port the U.S. would have had to the Japanese Empire would have been San Francisco.

We might have had VE day, but there would have been no VJ day.

57 posted on 11/12/2002 7:34:22 PM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: FreedomCalls
I posted this on another thread on this topic earlier today.

I just wrote Miss Hahn as follows:

Dear Miss Hahn:

Your caving to anecdotal evidence that a few Japanese would be "offended" by a screening of Tora Tora Tora is PC correctness run amok.

Firstly - the producer of the film was Japanese. The film, when originally screened, was widely accused of being too sympathetic to the Japanese.

But far more importantly, you are trampling on the rights of the fighting men and women that have fought, many times at the cost of their lives, to keep America free. Political Correctness, bleeding-heart sensitivity, what ever you call it, it is wrong. Who launched the suprise attack? Why are your sympathies with them?

In a few years we may be screening movies about the September 11th 2001 attacks on the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon. Would you call a screening of the movie to suvivors and loved ones insensitive because a few citizens of Saudi Arabian extraction complained.

Withdraw your obstruction of the rights of America's Veterans, or withdraw from public life.

Sincerely: name, address, email

End of letter.....sick and tired of these unthinking, psuedo-sensitive, lets-all-get-along types. Damn... I'm mad!! Hope you will write her too. Address in message #5 - this thread.

58 posted on 11/12/2002 8:01:09 PM PST by HardStarboard
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...WARNER Theater-San Pedro reopens with showing of pristine Master Copy of...

.."IT's a MAD, MAD, MAD, MAD World"

...can be further viewed in my Bookmarked List of Articles simply by accessing the ALOHA RONNIE on this Post.

.."TORA, TORA, TORA".. gets torpedoed even though the WARNER Theater itself is ...IN.. a scene of the latest...

.."PEARL HARBOR".. Movie...?

...Doesn't figure.

Great "Get" ..VOA
59 posted on 11/12/2002 8:10:53 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: FreedomCalls

60 posted on 11/12/2002 8:24:46 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy
BB37 Oklahoma bump...
The Japanese couldn't sink her...(just capsized)
and she wouldn't let herself be broken up to make razorblades!

(for the youngsters: tow-rope broke and she went to the bottom of the Pacific while
enroute to San Francisco)
61 posted on 11/12/2002 8:28:45 PM PST by VOA
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.."IT's a MAD, MAD, MAD, MAD World"

Sometimes my mind actually works...
and it was nice to go back to your thread, just to see those palms forming a "W"!
62 posted on 11/12/2002 8:30:05 PM PST by VOA
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I also believe the 60-seat majority is coming! The liberal wackos lost this year big-time, and IMHO they're on track to lose again in ' the meantime look for more PC garbage, but this "retaliation" will backfire on 'em...
63 posted on 11/12/2002 8:43:35 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Charles Martel
"The 1970 film — a joint American and Japanese production — is considered one of the most accurate depictions of events leading up to the 1941 Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor. "

I have an anecdote about the film.
In 1969, an old friend was on a navy ship steaming back from Vietnam, approaching Pearl Harbor just after dawn.

Over their heads, just above the masts of the ship flew a formation of Japanese torpedo bombers. They were headed into the full-scale recreation of the Pearl Harbor attack for Tora, Tora, Tora. He said it was a chilling experience for its reality and authenticity.
64 posted on 11/12/2002 8:44:15 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: FreedomCalls
Well, lets not jump to conclusions, that lobster has obviously already been boiled...we do not know if she threw it the pot!;))))
65 posted on 11/12/2002 8:50:10 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: FreedomCalls
Maybe they should show this movie instead:

66 posted on 11/12/2002 8:51:02 PM PST by Brett66
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To: Brett66
Why don't they show some bukaki films. Now there's a film genre to make Japan proud. NOT!
67 posted on 11/12/2002 8:54:07 PM PST by evolved_rage
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re post #61:

Thank you for your service VOA and may God bless you.
68 posted on 11/12/2002 8:54:52 PM PST by Cindy
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To: edwin hubble
Tora, Tora, Tora ranks with me as one of the best war movies ever made. As I understand it, a very balanced account. "YOU WANT CONFIRMATION (gestures out the window to show the capsized Oklahoma) THERE'S YOUR CONFIRMATION!!!
69 posted on 11/12/2002 8:56:17 PM PST by KiaKaha
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To: FreedomCalls
Why don't they just ban the entire planet's history? After all, it might offend someone. What a bunch of morons....
70 posted on 11/12/2002 8:58:13 PM PST by The Toad
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To: FreedomCalls
One of the first "message" movies I allowed my kids to watch was Tora! Tora! Tora! We discussed it at length, and fortunately my father could give the girls his recollections of WWII.

This decision to ban the movie is by far one of the nuttiest I've heard of in a long time. The movie is historically accurate, but may offend some people? Tough. Get over it and let the record stand for what it is. Imperial Japan was a murderous menace.

71 posted on 11/12/2002 9:04:24 PM PST by Aracelis
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To: Cindy
Thank you for your service VOA and may God bless you.

You are too kind...I'm a life-long, spoiled, grateful civilian.

I missed out on military service due to two factors...spontaneouly-collapsing
lung in high school (permanently fixed by surgery) and not drafted because I was too young
for Vietnam.

And my recollections of BB37 Oklahoma are from growing up in OK, and seeing
collected relics from the ship (ship's bell, silver service) that reside
in the state historical society.

For those of my age and older...there was at least a bit of "perverse pride"
about BB37 not actually sinking, plus "refusing" to be cut up for salvage.
Just a good old story from the past...
72 posted on 11/12/2002 10:08:21 PM PST by VOA
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A grateful civilian is good...getting rarer these days.
73 posted on 11/13/2002 12:22:25 AM PST by Cindy
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To: SwinneySwitch
Fine, they should show MIDWAY, were we kicked a$$!!!

I had to chuckle when I read this. My kids and I watch Tora! Tora! Tora! every year on Dec. 7th. The kids always want to watch Midway right afterward so they can see the Americans win! (BTW, if you watch them back to back, you'll discover that some of the same action scenes/footage were used in both movies - we have fun picking them out)

That said, I think this movie cancellation is ridiculous. The film is excellent and does a masterful job of presenting both sides of the attack.

74 posted on 11/13/2002 1:27:46 AM PST by Otta B Sleepin
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To: Otta B Sleepin
Great movie, "Tora! Tora! Tora!". I recently ordered it on DVD along with "Patton" and "Midway". Can't believe anyone can look at it and think it's somehow anti-Japanese. Then again, as someone else pointed out, the people who think showing it would be insensitive have probably never seen it. Simply incredible, though, when you can't show a movie based on history for fear of offending somebody! What next, Ms. Hahn? Do we outlaw history books for fear that the contents may offend someone, somewhere?
75 posted on 11/13/2002 1:46:44 AM PST by Green Knight
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To: Otta B Sleepin
(BTW, if you watch them back to back, you'll discover that some of the same action scenes/footage were used in both movies - we have fun picking them out)

If I'm not mistaken, Midway has one scene that shows a Japanese destroyer firing its somewhat U.S.-looking 5" 38 gun mount (complete with the effeciency "E" on the side of it, no less).

I think it was part of the sequence in which Kevin Dobson's squadron was attacking them.

76 posted on 11/13/2002 2:56:46 AM PST by Bob
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To: FreedomCalls
It's not disgusting. Janice Hahn is right. The fact you are unable to understand the impact of 12-7-41 on San Pedro is due to your lack of information. Are you from San Pedro, Terminal Island, or LA?

Instead of pulling a technological sneak attack on Janice Hahn, why don't you post the names of the individuals who want to inflame racism and identify those who were sponsoring this event?
77 posted on 11/13/2002 7:28:18 AM PST by bonesmccoy
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78 posted on 11/13/2002 7:28:59 AM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: chuknospam
You got something against americans being in uniform? what's your point?
79 posted on 11/13/2002 7:29:30 AM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: AmericanInTokyo
80 posted on 11/13/2002 7:30:13 AM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: hattend
your intelligence is about as strong as your verbage. Sounds like you need "One who flew over the cuckoos nest"
81 posted on 11/13/2002 7:32:06 AM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: paulklenk
get off the people who stopped the showing... tell me who sponsored it!
82 posted on 11/13/2002 7:32:46 AM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: hattend
You're a clueless moron-American (your words).

If you really understood the historical facts, you'd instantly understand why the local politicians don't want this kind of negativity in their own town. If you lived in San Pedro, you wouldn't want to raise this subject either.
83 posted on 11/13/2002 7:33:51 AM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
Unconstitutional violation of right of habeas corpus in SAN PEDRO

84 posted on 11/13/2002 7:39:01 AM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: bonesmccoy
'Go For Broke': Saving the 'Lost Battalion'

Posted: October 8, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Richard Botkin
© 2002

What a privilege and blessing it was to be a child and grow up in Hawaii in the late 1950s and early 1960s. Advertised and promoted as the "Paradise of the Pacific," the fond memories of those times for me remain undiminished and confirm the billing.

For almost a century, Hawaii had been America's most successful melting pot. My own family's experience was testament to that. My mother's maternal grandparents came from the Azores to Maui in the 1890s to work the cane fields. My mother's father, born in Izmir, Turkey – of Spanish and Sephardic Jewish descent – came to the islands as a teenager just in time to be drafted for World War I service with the U.S. Army.

As it is today, so it was back then. Hawaii has, since the mid-1800s, had a large Asian population. The Chinese came first, followed by the Japanese, Koreans and Filipinos. More recently, there are large minorities of newcomers from Southeast Asia.

So pervasive, so complete was this integration from my childhood perspective that, on more than one occasion, I recall my own dear mother stating that "every fourth child born was Chinese." As a 5-year-old in Hawaii – ignorant of fractions, demographics or the birds and bees – it was my natural expectation that, since I was the third child in my family, if my mother were to get pregnant again my new brother or sister would, in fact, be Chinese.

Long before it became un-kosher for little boys to play army with real toy guns, my childhood friends and I would while away the hours playing war throughout our neighborhoods. The popular kids, those with the neatest toy guns, got to be the Americans. The second string got to be the Germans or the Japanese. Oddly, it was most of my Japanese buddies who always showed up with the coolest stuff. Out of their fathers' closets or from old, musty footlockers came the real trappings of little-boy wealth. Army mess kits and canteen cups stamped "U.S.," entrenching tools, cartridge belts, first-aid kits and even old, ill-fitting helmets. Real treasure.

By age 6 or 7, it was becoming apparent that my Japanese pals definitely had the edge in war loot. Then I began to hear and slowly learn about a special army unit that so many of their dads had served with. Some outfit called the 100th Infantry Battalion and the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. Widely known in Hawaii, everyone simply referred to it as the "Four Four Two." I recall being a bit envious and disappointed that my own dad had not been a member.


Many reasonably informed and educated folks know the general circumstances surrounding the internment of Japanese-Americans living in the continental United States during World War II. (Japanese-Americans in Hawaii constituted roughly 160,000 of the islands' 400,000 residents. Fortunately for all, their internment was a logistical impossibility and thus they were spared.) While difficult to imagine with a 21st-century perspective, the deep-seated racial prejudices of the times, coupled with the real fear of invasion by Adm. Yamamoto's naval forces was sufficient threat to motivate President Roosevelt, a Democrat, to order the internment of American Japanese living on the West Coast.

Quite possibly the most egregious abuse of justice committed by the U.S. government in the last century, the internment issue will forever be a dark stain on our nation's history. Numerous books have been written by the men, women and children forced to experience the shame and deprivation of life inside the camps as citizens without the benefits of citizenship.

As modern Americans are the undisputed world leaders in celebrating victimhood, they have been even more aggressively pusillanimous, until 9-11, in recognizing valor, bravery and sacrifice. While many are aware of the broader issues of the American-Japanese internment experience, and that odd, erudite man or woman might also be able to name a camp or two, an extremely low percentage, even among contemporary Japanese-Americans, are aware of the exploits of the most decorated unit in the history of the United States Army.

Humble beginnings

What would eventually evolve into the 442nd Regimental Combat Team had its genesis in the Hawaiian Territorial Guard. With distrust of Japanese running extremely high after the Pearl Harbor attack, the Nisei (second-generation Japanese-Americans) soldiers then serving were actually involuntarily discharged from the Guard.

Unwilling to accept this flagrant slight to their patriotism, and filled with the same desire to avenge Pearl Harbor as most other Americans, these eager young warriors were formed into a separate all-Nisei unit that ultimately became the 100th Infantry Battalion.

The 100th Battalion was the first all-Nisei unit, although most of its officers were Caucasian. Initially staffed almost entirely of Hawaiian Japanese, the 100th would evolve into the 442nd RCT and would be fleshed out by young Nisei men from across the United States. The 442nd RCT would ultimately have three infantry battalions(the 100th, the 2nd, and the 3rd), a battalion of artillery (the 522nd Field Artillery Battalion), along with the usual supporting elements required for a regiment – medical, combat engineers, etc.

"Go For Broke"

The 442nd fought in seven major campaigns in the European Theater of Operations. It engaged in some of the heaviest fighting of the war and took horrendous casualties. The men of the 442nd were often pitted against Hitler's finest troops and never lost a battle. Their motto, "Go For Broke," was from a pidgin English expression in Hawaii which basically meant "shoot the works."

Their record in combat showed that the 442nd lived by its motto. Suffering casualties enough for two or three army divisions, their skill and tenacity in combat placed them in great demand. Gen. Mark Clark said of the Nisei, "They are some of the best ---damn fighters in the U.S. Army. If you have more, send them over."

While the RCT fought in places like Anzio and Monte Cassino, the battle for which the 442nd is arguably most famous and revered is their Pyrrhic victory in rescuing the First Battalion, 141st Regiment of the 36th Division, a unit comprised mostly of Texans. In a six-day period spanning Oct. 25-30, 1944, the now veteran soldiers of the 442nd would advance nine miles against a firmly entrenched enemy at a cost of 90 men per mile to reach and relieve what became known as the "Lost Battalion." By battle's end, the 442nd suffered 800 casualties to save their Texas brothers who numbered only 211 men. After the war, a grateful Gov. Connolly would pass legislation declaring all members of the 442nd "Honorary Texans."

By war's end, the 442nd had been awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations for their extraordinary combat exploits. The men of the 442nd earned more than 9,000 Purple Hearts, more than 5,000 Bronze Stars, and almost 600 Silver Star medals. A total of 680 young men paid the ultimate price in serving a country which did not yet fully value that sacrifice.

The "Go For Broke" culture of the RCT produced valor in super abundance. Ironically, through war's end only one member of the 442nd had been awarded the Medal of Honor, our nation's highest award for combat bravery. As with a high percentage of Medals of Honor, PFC Sadao Munemori died earning his.

Prejudice, no doubt, had a role in minimizing the granting of appropriate valor awards to the Nisei. That said, 52 young members of the RCT were awarded the Distinguished Service Cross, our nation's second highest valor medal. Of this group, 23 earned the medal posthumously. No other unit in the United States Army would match this record of achievement, sacrifice and bravery.

Separating the 442nd further from distant rivals was the effort made in the 1990s to review many of the old valor awards for possible upgrade. In June of 2000, President Clinton awarded 21 new Medals of Honor to former members of the 442nd (an additional MOH was awarded to a Nisei soldier who served in the Pacific theater.). Of those awardees, nine had been killed in Europe, and of the remaining 12, only seven were still alive to receive the recognition so well deserved. It should be noted that all but one of those receiving the MOH had earlier been DSC recipients.

The story of this unusual unit and these intrepid and once young men, a unique subset of the Greatest Generation, remains largely unknown and untold. Two cultural issues inhibit the complete proliferation of information about the 442nd to the regular civilian. First is the easily explained reluctance common among most veterans of combat to discuss the horrors of wartime experiences. When all is held back, none of the greatness, the stories of special times or friendships and sacrifices shared get passed along either.

Add to this, in this group of the reddest-blooded Americans, the still admirable and prevalent aspects of Japanese culture which stresses humility and reticence and you are limiting history, at best, to only the very closest confidants or brother warriors. Were it not for the continued presence of Hawaii's senior U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye, himself one of the seven living former DSC recipients upgraded to the Medal of Honor, there would be virtually no awareness of the 442nd outside of the Japanese-American community today.

In researching the facts for this story I am grateful for the efforts of the late Chester Tanaka and his book "Go For Broke." Mr. Tanaka, a Nisei and combat veteran of the 442nd published his superb pictorial history in 1982. Thoroughly researched and filled with generous support from his brother soldiers, Tanaka still noted that universal tendency towards selflessness as many of the veterans, while giving critical input to his story, refused to accept attribution for their quotes.

This month marks the 58th anniversary of the savage battle to save the Lost Battalion, enough time for nearly three generations of Texans to be born and enjoy the blessings of liberty bought and paid for with Nisei blood. My sense is that few in Texas will stop to recall. Sadder though, is that nearly as few in the modern Japanese-American community will even be aware of sacrifices made by fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers – or by the 680 Nisei soldiers who never had a chance at family life.

The story of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, one of the greatest in U.S. military history, remains mired mostly in facts and figures. We know what they did and the prices they paid to do it. What we really do not know is who these young men were and why they did the incredible things they did. It is a story not just for 211 lucky Texans and the 5,000 or so Nisei soldiers, but one for all America to thoroughly celebrate.

As these silent heroes approach their twilight years, we need to impose upon them one more time, to have them overcome their cultural reluctance to draw attention to themselves and tell their stories fully. With a bitter and long war before us, the legacy of this unique group of men is the perfect medicine to steel America for whatever challenges are ahead.

85 posted on 11/13/2002 7:40:58 AM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: Billthedrill
Hold on here - they're dissing Toshiro Mifune! Those b@stards!!

You're right! It's time to get Yojimbo on their a$$!


86 posted on 11/13/2002 7:44:51 AM PST by Jonah Hex
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To: FreedomCalls
Let me educate you.

Here's Barbara's own verses set to some historically accurate photography during various Democratic Presidencies












Carter signs Energy Policy









God bless America.

Reagan 1992 RNC Speech: "Don't Inhale!"

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87 posted on 11/13/2002 7:45:21 AM PST by bonesmccoy
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88 posted on 11/13/2002 7:46:41 AM PST by paulklenk
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To: bonesmccoy
I'm sorry that a historical movie offends you.

BTW: Have you seen the movie? You make me laugh...out loud.

89 posted on 11/13/2002 9:24:07 AM PST by hattend
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To: bonesmccoy
90 posted on 11/13/2002 10:53:44 AM PST by ppaul
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To: bonesmccoy
Please explain how Tora, Tora, Tora is "racist".
91 posted on 11/13/2002 11:28:46 AM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: reagandemocrat
The movie is not racist. The racists are the idiots who were pushing to put this event on in San Pedro. Why in hell put this event on in that of all places?

Are we just trying to inflame people?

You guys are kinda short sighted sometimes.

Freepers are great at reacting. But reaction is easy when it is passionate.

The mark of real leadership is when one attempts to comprehend facts first. San Pedro had tens of thousands of citizens tossed out of homes. Women and children were living in fields because of the illegal activity of the FDR regime.

92 posted on 11/13/2002 1:34:43 PM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: hattend
Apology not necessary. The movie does not offend me. You have offended many with your inability to dig to the real facts. DIG out who started this thing and post it. Then, you'll have my real respect.
93 posted on 11/13/2002 1:36:24 PM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: Piltdown_Woman
They aren't banning anything.
Please reread the article.
94 posted on 11/13/2002 1:38:02 PM PST by bonesmccoy
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To: FreedomCalls
the peacrmongers are going to kill us
95 posted on 11/13/2002 1:42:00 PM PST by bert
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To: bonesmccoy
San Pedro is part of the City of Los Angeles; thousands of JA's from LA were interned. Does that mean the film can't be shown in Los Angeles? To equate JA's with the Empire of Japan's horrible attack on Pearl is to fall into the same intellectual trap that created E.O. 1066 in the first place. Sheesh. The "Go For Broke" boys would have a field day with you.

96 posted on 11/13/2002 2:10:58 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: bonesmccoy
1) I wasn't apologizing. I was trying to be empathic to your apparent lack of sense.

2) I don't know you from Adam so gaining your respect isn't necessary.

You're pretty quick at throwing barbs at those who think this political correctness is bad for the country. Those people who are "offended" and who don't want to watch the movie or meet those participants/survivors of Pearl Harbor/WWII are perfectly within their rights to not participate.

Too bad they weren't planning on playing "Midway" as a double feature.

97 posted on 11/13/2002 2:18:09 PM PST by hattend
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To: paulklenk
Two film crews -- one Japanese and one American -- were employed to make this movie. This was done to show two distinct points of view for the story. There's no way this particular movie should offend anyone.

Like the Clintons, these people find truth itself offensive... doesn't really matter who is portrayed well or badly.

98 posted on 11/13/2002 2:24:02 PM PST by Sloth
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To: Otta B Sleepin
Fine, they should show MIDWAY, were we kicked a$$!!!

How about showing "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo", which was before the Battle of Midway and shattered the Japanese belief that their homeland was invincible from attack.

My grandfather's best friend was at Pearl Harbor aboard the USS Nevada and won a Navy Cross. He died a couple years ago. I could hear him now if he could see this story.

99 posted on 11/13/2002 5:51:57 PM PST by stratman1969
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To: Charles Martel
I recall the Confederate Air Force (now the Commemorative Air Force) being pressured into skipping its "Hiroshima" aerial program, featuring the only flying B-29, due to similar concerns.

That was in 1976, I believe. I lived in Harlingen Texas at the time and went to their airshows every year. I think Paul Tibbets, who flew the Enola Gay, was at the controls of the plane that day too.

100 posted on 11/13/2002 5:54:17 PM PST by stratman1969
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