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The Golden Age of Islam is a Myth
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| November 15, 2002
| Robert Locke
Posted on 11/14/2002 11:05:10 PM PST by Coeur de Lion
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To: Coeur de Lion
What is achieved by debating whether or not islam, had a "golden era?" If it did, it was a very long time ago.
Judging based on the present times, islam is a source of very much evil. For a thoughtful current follower to ignore all of the warring and terror, specifically for the cause of islam, is sheer folly.
If islam is to be redeemed, it will require its leader and followers, to do much more, than give lip service to "peace" proclammations, always given with denouncements of all its many enemies.
To: knighthawk; Sabertooth; dennisw; piasa; FITZ
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To: Travis McGee
What is achieved by debating whether or not islam, had a "golden era?"PLENTY!!
If they had no golden age then what use does any non-Muslim really have for these hyperactive pests? Besides the oil reserves they squat on top of.
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posted on
11/15/2002 12:02:07 AM PST
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dennisw
To: truth_seeker
What is achieved by debating whether or not islam, had a "golden era?" Another nail in the coffin of multiculturalism. A better understanding of history. Credit where credit's due.
In a word: truth.
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posted on
11/15/2002 12:27:26 AM PST
by
scooby
To: dennisw
Didn't they invent the magic carpet or was that the Beatles?
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posted on
11/15/2002 12:32:30 AM PST
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dansangel
To: dansangel
Didn't they invent the magic carpet or was that the Beatles?
All I know is Brian Jones and Keith used to like to go to Marrakech to get stoned without fear of police busting in. Other beatniks (William Burroughs + others) liked the little boys there.
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posted on
11/15/2002 12:37:53 AM PST
by
dennisw
To: dennisw; monkeyshine; ipaq2000; Lent; veronica; Sabramerican; beowolf; Nachum; BenF; angelo; ...
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posted on
11/15/2002 12:41:02 AM PST
by
dennisw
To: Coeur de Lion
One of the reasons I posted this was because it presents in a nutshell why the so-called Golden Age of Islam had very little to do with Islam itself. In fact I've always believed this Golden Age was much overrated and driven more from multiculturist aims than anything else. Why is any of this important? The mindset of the Moslem is not the same as those in the West. Most Moslems believe in the inherent superiority of their religion and as a result their culture to the extent that all others are inferior. It doesn't matter if they're living in a mud hovel in Afghanistan, they believe that they're superior to all other non-Muslims. This particular mindset has been observed but most with a Western orientation don't understand it, because it seems so foreign to us in its absolutism.
Additionally the West has a universal set of values which overall we're expected to adhere to. Yes, maybe we can kill Indians, or perhaps Jews should be mass executed as has happened in the past but we all know in our hearts the wrongness of doing these things and must rationalize why we do them i.e. they're salvages or the hereditary enemies of the Aryan People. With Islam the only universal principles which apply are to other Muslims. In the words of Lady Isabel Burton wife of Sir Richard Burton, "Out of the very stones they will fabricate such a tower of falsehoods that you can only stand and gabe in wonder and admiration at their fruitful invention."
They will use reason to argue their case. But they really believe it's only necessary for those who give credence to reason. Not to themselves because they know the rightness of their cause The case as to whether there was a Golden Age attributed to Islam only matters to a Muslim because it is a confirmation of the superiority of Islam, and it's also useful in dealing with non-Muslims.
The awareness of this mindset makes it actually easy to understand why so little response is ever forthcoming from their communities when some terrorist acts occur.
To: Coeur de Lion
Early AM bump for the article, and Mr. Heart's commentary.
To: truth_seeker
Most of the reason that Islam is attacking Israel is because Israel came into a desert and deserted wasteland and made it prosper. Where there were once sand dunes Tel-Aviv sprouted, where there was rocks and dirt now are productive farms. Where Arabs could barely survive, The Jews flourished. It proved that Islam is not superior, but in fact far inferior to even the despised Jews.
On the other hand, America, the "Christian" nation prospers with great wealth, freedom and productivity. It shows that all the most hated of the Koran, those who Mohammad claimed had the Bible all wrong are faring far better than the Moslems. That is why they attacked the Twin Towers, as our commerce is a great insult to them.
There are two ways to be tall and wealthy among your neighbors, Stand up, work hard and grow, or chop their heads off and steal their goods. Islam has since the first day, always chosen the latter course.
The Moslems even have to steal the passenger planes that they used as weapons, as they cannot build their own. With out the hard work of many greedy westerners in supplying weapons and technology the Jihad would collapse of its own weight.
To: Coeur de Lion
It is said that the numeric ZERO was invented by Muzzle-em Arabs . . . wherefore, I contend it is now time to reduce them to absolute ZERO (in humble respect of their suppose invention, of course) !!! ;-))
To: dennisw
Also it will show the vampire that this faith is...for is not the Devil the power only to destroy and pervert and not to create a new?
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11/15/2002 4:02:35 AM PST
by
Stavka2
To: Coeur de Lion
Good article.
One thing to bear in mind about the "Golden Age" is that it occurred very shortly after the establishment of Islam, after Mohammed's military conquests and those of his immediate successors, but before many of the tenets of the religion had entirely jelled. During the initial period, for example, figurative art was allowed; but succeeding generations of Muslims would then destroy this art as being contrary to Islam.
Islam is a particularly anti-intellectual religion, and because its favored form of government is theocracy, it has the power to enforce its views. As it succeeded in dominating the cultures in which it had installed itself, it strangled them. And except for military activities (some of which look more like plain old banditry), these cultures withered and became totally unproductive.
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posted on
11/15/2002 4:02:47 AM PST
by
livius
To: Coeur de Lion
What is there to understand? One must accept that: 1.Islam is out to conquer the world 2. Life under Islam is much worse then death fighting it. Now what else does one need to know. You aren't fighting for an abstract goal here...you are fighting for the very existence of your family and for the future generations that would be ground under the heel of slavery of this "faith". There is nothing else to do but to fight, kill and butcher until one side or the other is extinct. Lets get started.
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posted on
11/15/2002 5:54:06 AM PST
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Stavka2
To: livius
Islam can't encourage people to question or want to prove anything, what it promotes is exactly opposite of thinking, it promotes submission to the clerics and never questioning anything or you face the threat of death.
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posted on
11/15/2002 5:55:03 AM PST
by
FITZ
To: Coeur de Lion
Well we do use Arabic numbers, but like the author said, that has about as much to do with Islam as the microchip has to do with Christianity.
IMHO, Islam is like the Catholic Church in the middle-ages.
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posted on
11/15/2002 6:04:25 AM PST
by
jjm2111
To: dennisw
And
here's a bit more about the book by Serge Trifkovic. And
here also.
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posted on
11/15/2002 7:07:17 AM PST
by
anatolfz
To: Coeur de Lion; truth_seeker
The Golden Age of Islam is a Myth
Got that right. Of all the centuries of Islamic rule throughout the Middle East, Africa, and elsewhere, there was a period of scarcely a hundred years near the beginning when the Arabs actually controlled it. They did virtually everything else through mercenaries. The same goes for the supposed products of Islamic "civilization": they were the accomplishments of subject peoples. The period under the Turks was a bit different, though.
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posted on
11/15/2002 7:16:35 AM PST
by
aruanan
To: Coeur de Lion
Good indictment. Bump.
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