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Army Dismisses Gay Arabic Linguists
AP ^ | 11/14/02 | MARGIE MASON

Posted on 11/15/2002 3:58:07 AM PST by Churchjack

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Nine Army linguists, including six trained to speak Arabic, have been dismissed from the military because they are gay.

The soldiers' dismissals come at a time when the military is facing a critical shortage of translators and interpreters for the war on terrorism.

Seven of the soldiers were discharged after telling superiors they are gay, and the two others got in trouble when they were caught together after curfew, said Steve Ralls, spokesman for the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a group that defends homosexuals in the military.

Six were specializing in Arabic, two were studying Korean and one was studying Mandarin Chinese. All were at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, the military's primary language training center.

The government has aggressively recruited Arabic speakers since the Sept. 11 attacks.

"We face a drastic shortage of linguists, and the direct impact of Arabic speakers is a particular problem," said Donald R. Hamilton, who documented the need for more linguists in a report to Congress as part of the National Commission on Terrorism.

One of the discharged linguists said the military's policy on gays is hurting its cause.

"It's not a gay-rights issue. I'm arguing military proficiency issues — they're throwing out good, quality people," said Alastair Gamble, a former Army specialist.

Harvey Perritt, spokesman for the Army Training and Doctrine Command at Fort Monroe in Tidewater, Va., confirmed the dismissals occurred between October 2001 and September 2002, but declined to comment further on the cases.

He said 516 linguists enrolled in the Arabic course this year at the Monterey institute and 365 graduated.

The military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy allows gays to serve provided they keep quiet about their sexual orientation.

Gamble and former Pfc. Robert Hicks were discovered in Gamble's room during a surprise inspection in April, Gamble said.

After their discharges, Gamble and Hicks applied for other federal jobs where they could use their language skills in the war on terrorism, but neither was hired, Gamble said.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: gaysinthemilitary
The love that dare not speak it's name...in three languages!

How do you say operational compromise in Arabic? We ain't gonna miss'em. Security before correctness. I prefer my country be defended by the mentally healthy and morally upright--they tend to be more dependable. Next!

1 posted on 11/15/2002 3:58:07 AM PST by Churchjack
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To: Churchjack
The part that was left out was that these people would have been kicked out for what they did even if they had been heterosexual.
2 posted on 11/15/2002 4:11:27 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: Churchjack
re:
"..We ain't gonna miss'em. Security before correctness. I prefer my country
be defended by the mentally healthy and morally upright--they tend to be
more dependable. Next!
..."

Now, that's funny.

 

3 posted on 11/15/2002 4:21:11 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: Churchjack
This is stupid. The two that were caught in flagrante delicto should be dismissed, but the others should just be told to shut up and get back to work.

We should be protecting America from terrorists who want to kill us, not gays who want to decorate the barracks. When Muslim terrorists bring down the Sears Tower because we didn't have enough linguists to read intelligence transcripts sitting right in front of us, maybe someone will rethink this.

4 posted on 11/15/2002 4:25:54 AM PST by tdadams
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To: Churchjack; Maelstrom
Maelstrom is correct. Anyone caught fornicating at DLI is gone immeadietly. I'd say that the seven who confessed just wanted to get out of that pressure-cooker of a school.

I spent a year there myself, studying Chinese-Mandarin. It is truly a brutal school, no matter what the language. The military pushes the people very hard. Six hours in class every day, followed by four hours of study, for most people.

Stanford University said that they would give me credit for the language and culture portion of a four-year Chinese Studies degree, for just one year of work at the DLI.

In my year in Monterey I saw a number of people flip-out from the pressure, and probably half of the people who failed asked to be let go. I'm surprised that the article mentioned such a small failure rate. In my time in the school there was about a 50% failure rate. Either a better class of people are going through the school, or standards have been lowered.
5 posted on 11/15/2002 4:34:35 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: Churchjack

Yup . . . now we got nine more Muzzle-em converts !!!

They want the 24 beautiful young boys that Islamic Pair-of-dice promises !!!


6 posted on 11/15/2002 4:36:54 AM PST by GeekDejure
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To: Churchjack
if they were female, they may have been cunning linguists.

Thankyouverymuch.
7 posted on 11/15/2002 4:39:18 AM PST by galt-jw
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To: tdadams
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"..but the others should just be told to shut up and get back to work...."

That's likely the result of the "don't ask; don't tell" policy of the clintbag administration.

"Caught in the act" should be far enough to dismiss; there has got to be a level
of civility, homosexual or heterosexual. But rules are not made to be broken.
If admitting one is gay is enough to cause dismissal, then it's time to change
that policy.

 

8 posted on 11/15/2002 4:45:08 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: tdadams
This is stupid. The two that were caught in flagrante delicto should be dismissed, but the others should just be told to shut up and get back to work.

I think that you are mistaken. The folks who fessed up were just trying to escape the pressure. Even twenty years ago it was happening, at the DLI. I would not be surprised if none of the seven are actually gay.

More than that, your premise is mistaken;
1)that orientation does not matter. It does. Ask any attractive woman in the military how distracting it is for other military folks to be constantly hitting on her;
2)the transcripts you refer to were not relevant anyway, they can be interpreted as direct threats only by Leaky Leahy.

9 posted on 11/15/2002 4:46:14 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: galt-jw
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"..if they were female, they may have been cunning linguists...."

I'll submit that for you as "Quote of the Day".

 

 

10 posted on 11/15/2002 4:46:48 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: jimtorr
I agree with you that they may have been just trying to get out of their assignment. That's a shame if that's the case.

I disagree that people should be dismissed simply for their orientation, especially when we need ever intelligent and talented linguist we can get right now. If someone gets out of line with another soldier, discipline them, gay or straight.

11 posted on 11/15/2002 4:52:57 AM PST by tdadams
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To: galt-jw
Yes, and if male, they might have specialized in " He Blew ".
12 posted on 11/15/2002 5:00:19 AM PST by genefromjersey
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To: Churchjack
OK, so we have some guys in the military getting paid the military wage. The CIA and other intellegence agencies are offering large salaries to Arabic linguists. Now how can you get out of this pesky term of enlistment in order to take the high paying job, without sacrificing your security clearance?

I think this is a much more likely senario as to why we have several making the claim of being Gay at the same time, rather than a sudden change of conscience.

Does anyone recall at the start of the Gulf War a female physician who had let the US Army pay for her education, but when her reserve unit was called to duty, she developed "serious contientious objections to military service" despite the fact that as a Doctor, she would be a non-combatant.

13 posted on 11/15/2002 5:44:28 AM PST by maximus@Nashville
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To: jimtorr
I took a yr of Russian during the summer of my freshman yr in college from a former DLI teacher. I thought summer would never end. OTOH I learned Russian. By the end of the summer I was easily reading the Russian language newspapers the college subscribed to.

As for letting these guys go it was a good decision. They could easily be compromised.
15 posted on 11/15/2002 7:47:22 AM PST by 556x45
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To: Churchjack
fagotry on the rampage bump.
16 posted on 11/16/2002 1:56:44 PM PST by Cacique
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To: Churchjack
Security before correctness.

Yep. Better that thousands die in a terrorist attack than one homosexual have a part in preventing the attack.
18 posted on 11/16/2002 3:20:12 PM PST by Dimensio
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