Bush aide sensed 'Nazi' mood(Woodward: Rove said that 'W" at World Series was like a Nazi Rally)

nypost ^ | November 16, 2002 | By RICHARD JOHNSON with Paula Froelich and Chris Wilson

[section9]

There exists the remote possibility that Rove was stupid enough to have a brainfart and relate something like this on tape.

However, it is more likely that Woodward got this from an "unimpeachable" secondhand source.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[rintense]

HAHAHA! Oops. Far too early for typing skills. I'm series. That should have been the anti-christ.

[Bubba_Leroy]

There exists the remote possibility that Rove was stupid enough to have a brainfart and relate something like this on tape.

True, but I'll only believe it when I hear the tape (and after the tape has been independenty confirmed as untampered). Of course, if Rove had said something that stupid, don't you think Woodward would have written it as a quote from Rove rather than simply purporting to paraphrase what Rove thought?

However, it is more likely that Woodward got this from an "unimpeachable" secondhand source.

An unimpeachable and forever unnamed secondhand source, like the fictional "deep throat."

[Williams]

And the problem is? All of these stray thoughts add up to little if anything. Cheney and Rumsfeld obsessed with Iraq? Duh, it is our national foreign policy as approved by Congress and supported by the public. And Rove's thoughts on the World Series mean what? That he dared to draw an analogy? Does anyone think the Wor;d Series was a Nazi rally?

[spycatcher]

Some good comments on the real Nazi rally in Minnesota

"...Millions of Americans--and 55 percent of Minnesota households--tuned in on television to watch a solemn commemoration and found a rally devoted to a politics that was twisted, pagan, childish, inhumane, and even totalitarian beyond their worst nightmares. The crowd of 20,000 booed a succession of people who had come to pay their respects to a dead colleague: Senate minority leader Trent Lott, Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura, and former Minnesota senators Rod Grams and Rudy Boschwitz. Vice President Dick Cheney was disinvited from the affair. Former president Bill Clinton appeared on the Jumbo-Tron yuk-yukking and giving thumbs-up signs, looking happier than he had since . . . well, since Ron Brown's funeral. And most bizarrely, Wellstone's treasurer and friend Rick Kahn staged a confrontation with Republican representative Jim Ramstad and three senators (Domenici of New Mexico, Brownback of Kansas, and DeWine of Ohio) that was reminiscent of a Maoist reeducation camp. With the help of the mob, Kahn sought to bully and shame these Republicans into abandoning their party and supporting Walter Mondale, taunting: "We can redeem the sacrifice of his life, if you help us win this election for Paul Wellstone." And if they don't help. . . ?"

[Timesink]

If a single paraphrased-to-within-an-inch-of-its-life quote from Karl Rove about his reaction to a baseball rally is the biggest revelation in this book, we don't have much to worry about.

[St. Germain]

Many books were written about Mr. Clinton, and they included accusations and incidents of bribe, greed corruption, graff, adultery, murder, rape, security breeches and various other scandals.
The Dems write a book to disparage "W" and they accuse one of his aides of having an impure thought at a baseball game.
I'm not too concerned.

[Ohioan]

While I am on record as thinking Rove a dysron--one of normal or above average intelligence, whose fears and/or compulsions reduce his analytical abilities to a moronic level--even I do not think that Rove would be so stupid as to make such a comment to a well known Liberal. Indeed, the very fears and compulsions that make him fail to see how really stupid some of his ploys are, would absolutely prohibit it.

It is Clinton, of course, who adopted Hitler's political play book--the big lies, the effort to always seem as something you were not, the skilled use of scapegoats, etc..

Hitler's evil was not, of course, per se, in his genius for whipping up a crowd. He was truly the most skilled politician of modern times. His evil lay in the use of lies to impose an absolute Socialist tyranny; one, in which individual lives, property, every form of legal right and every aspect of cultural heritage, were alike the playthings of a monolithic State; where the innocent were butchered for conceived political advantage, etc.. Conservatives need not be afraid of supporting people who are effective with crowds, just because Hitler was effective with crowds. The important thing is what you do with the enthusiasm you can engender, not that you can engender it.

Never lose sight of that obvious distinction. There is nothing whatever wrong, per se, with a good rally. The Left would like nothing better than for Conservatives to eschew political skills, lest they be accused of being Hitler-like.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[Timesink]

BTW everyone, even if Woodward's book turns out to have nasty stuff in it, there's no way it could possibly make Bush look anywhere near as bad as the Clinton goons came off looking when Woodward wrote "The Agenda" back in 1994.

[philetus]

I won't ever buy anything published by Simon and Shuster again.

I won't support liars.

[duckbutt]

Years ago I cancelled my subscription to the Washington Post and I will not pay one penny to support this liberal screed -- I hope it hits the bargain bins in record time....

[TLBSHOW]

Hate to burst carls bubble and his spew but Muslims are worst than nazis says Pat Robertson and the liberal left wing in Nazi Germany was the nazis. Like The liberal democrats in America are nazis, Carl!

[agincourt1415]

Nazi Rally:Karl Rove thought, it's like being at a Nazi rally.

"Obviously he missed the Wellstone "memorial". (That "We will win" chant sent shivers up my spine. Very spooky)"

You'er RIGHT lizma!

We will Win

We will Win

We will Sieg

Sieg Heil

Sieg Heil

Sieg Heil

[duckbutt]

Jane, I have to agree about Sammons book. I'm reading it now and it's like a fiction thriller. Great stuff. In fact, I've been waking up groggy because I'm reading past midnight.

I literally cried when Sammons described the scene a few days after 9/11 when President Bush was in New York and met, sans cameras, with the victims' families for two hours. He described how the president wept, the families wept, and the "secret service, looking like Terminators with curley wires in their ears, stood back and couldn't help blubbering like babies......"

Support Sammons, show Woodward the door.....

[weegee]

How can we go after Hitler when Tojo is still loose???

[wotan]

I see the logic of the hidden implication.

Hitler was popular.
Bush is popular.

Therefore, Bush is a nazi.

[hole_n_one]

I love that pic!

[Mind-numbed Robot]

When Bush speaks, he does it in a way that everyone understands him. He doesn't use words that people don't understand. Watch his body language too. He's very intense and you can tell he's truly authentic. People can see into him and feel like he actually is there for the people rather than the power. (slick willy).

I would like to apply your excellent observation in a different fashion. Because of the truth in what you said I think you have also revealed why Democrats and their consultants and pollsters have hurt themselves. They are shallow, based on the right-now public attitudes, with no central moral values with which to relate their "message", which is usually anti-opponent rather than a true message. That worked brilliantly under Slick and gang but now that there is someone of substance to which they can be compared, their shallowness because pathetically obvious. As a result, they are seen for what they are and are not believed. To that I say, "More, more, more!"

[agincourt1415]

I'm going out to buy the Sammons Book!