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What did Dubya do in the war, daddy?
Toronto Star ^ | Nov 17, 2002 | LINDA MCQUAIG

Posted on 11/17/2002 10:41:55 AM PST by jody_b

It's often said that people just won't go into politics any more because of the intense media scrutiny one faces for even the smallest indiscretion in one's past. In fact, the media are temperamental beasts; fierce one day, gentle as lambs the next.

Certainly the media showed its soft side last week. As George W. Bush piously observed Veterans Day, media pundits somehow restrained themselves from pointing to the irony that the U.S. Commander-in-Chief, who's sometimes referred to as a "former fighter pilot," has an embarrassing military past. His records show that for months at a time during the Vietnam War, Bush could be classified as, at best, "absent without leave" (AWOL) or, at worst, as an army deserter.

This would be equivalent to the media withholding comment as former U.S. President Bill Clinton publicly espoused the virtues of marital fidelity.

Indeed, one hardly needs to wait for Veterans' Day to note the irony in Bush's military fervour. The man can scarcely contain his enthusiasm for war ? or at least for others going to war. As he inches closer each day to sending tens of thousands of American soldiers into Iraq (to be followed likely by hundreds of Canadian soldiers), any day would be appropriate for the media to satisfy its allegedly insatiable appetite for dirt on the rich and powerful by reporting the president's own military past.

The legwork has already been done by the Boston Globe, which dug up Bush's military records and interviewed his former military commanders.

While the paper published its dramatic findings during the presidential campaign of 2000, the rest of the media all but ignored the story and continue to do so, even as Bush has turned himself into arguably the most hawkish president in U.S. history.

It's not that the media are not hard on military laggards. While there were only 49 media stories about Bush's military past during his presidential campaign, there were a whopping 13,641 media reports on Clinton's Vietnam-era draft dodging during his first presidential race, according to former Clinton aide Paul Begala.

Begala made the observation on a media panel at a labour conference shortly after Bush's election. Other panelists, including journalists from major TV networks and Time magazine, agreed that Bush had had a much gentler ride, but attributed it to the media's alleged exhaustion after all the Clinton-era scandals.

Of course, it's possible Bush was so morally repelled by the U.S. slaughter in Vietnam that he just couldn't bring himself to participate. But probably not. Here's what we know.

Upon graduating from Yale, Bush applied for a position in the Texas National Guard, a coveted spot that required only part-time military duties at home, far from the battlefields of Vietnam. Bush was catapulted to the front of 500 other applicants after a friend of his father, then a wealthy Houston congressman, phoned the Speaker of the Texas House, according to the Boston Globe.

After completing training as a pilot, George W. Bush requested and immediately received a transfer to an Alabama National Guard unit in May, 1972. But Bush never showed up for duty there, according to the Alabama unit's commander and the commander's assistant, who were interviewed by the Boston Globe.

Military records show that Bush's two commanding officers back in Texas reported George W. did not show up for duty there either for a year, and that they believed he had been transferred to Alabama. Meanwhile, when Bush failed to take his required annual medical exam in August, 1972, his pilot status was removed.

It should be noted that reporting for military duty is not something that's optional, particularly during a war. Those caught shirking National Guard duties were usually punished by being drafted into the real army ? the one that landed you in Vietman, where some 350 American soldiers were killed each week. But, despite more than a year absent from duty, nothing happened to the well-connected George W. Bush.

Favouritism is a sore point among those who actually went to war, including U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell. As Powell wrote in his autobiography: "I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed ... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units ... Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal ..."

You've got to marvel at Powell's anger management skills.


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Why doesn't the media just drop this old lie. I thought Presiedent Bush or his staff presented facts that absolutely refuted this false charge.
1 posted on 11/17/2002 10:41:55 AM PST by jody_b
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To: jody_b
W put in all his required time in the Texas Air Guard.
He's not Eisenhower, but he's ten times better than the alternative from the last election.
2 posted on 11/17/2002 10:48:30 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: jody_b
Figures they prefer a draft dodging killer of rangers and babies.

The toon did that pretty well.

3 posted on 11/17/2002 10:49:15 AM PST by dts32041
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I agree with that, but is there an official reply from President Bush's staff that once and for puts this lie to bed?

Do you have a link to an official reply from President Bush's staff on this matter?
4 posted on 11/17/2002 10:52:39 AM PST by jody_b
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To: jody_b
Just for the record, Linda McQuaig is a rabid anti-Bush zealot.

Here's a photo of the leftwinger.

5 posted on 11/17/2002 10:55:27 AM PST by Reagan Man
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To: jody_b
While there were only 49 media stories about Bush's military past during his presidential campaign....

This is because the story is a total fabrication and libel is serious. Clintons draft dodging ways were true yet the people did not care.

6 posted on 11/17/2002 10:56:44 AM PST by alisasny
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To: jody_b
It would be so great to see Linda, this obvious snobby Bush hater who wrote this garbage, don a flight suit and fly a JET PLANE herself, as President Bush did in the reserves.

Geeeeez.

And no mention here of billy clinton's cry baby letters after receiving draft notices to his draft board....saying how he loathed the military?

This author does not recognize courage vs cowardice. She only wants to make the point that Bush is a war monger at heart.

She is pathetic.

7 posted on 11/17/2002 10:57:16 AM PST by Republic
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To: Reagan Man
Are you sure that's her? Looks like a Halloween mask to me used to frighten the kids.
8 posted on 11/17/2002 10:58:24 AM PST by jody_b
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To: jody_b
Follow the links to the recent articles written by this left-wing screwball.

Silly woman.

9 posted on 11/17/2002 10:58:46 AM PST by THX 1138
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To: alisasny
I agree with that, but is there an official reply from President Bush's staff that once and for puts this lie to bed?

Do you have a link to an official reply from President Bush's staff on this matter?
10 posted on 11/17/2002 10:59:16 AM PST by jody_b
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To: THX 1138
Good point but I've read to much of her garbage already.

Do you have a link to an official reply from President Bush's staff on this matter?
11 posted on 11/17/2002 11:01:10 AM PST by jody_b
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To: jody_b
What did Dubya do in the war, daddy?

He was Commander-in-Chief, put the best men in command, and gave the troops what they needed to achieve victory. And he won. Next stupid question, please.

12 posted on 11/17/2002 11:04:05 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: jody_b
This should have come with a 'gag or 'hurl' alert!
13 posted on 11/17/2002 11:04:29 AM PST by ewing
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To: Reagan Man
Notice how many feminazi skanks come to the defense of Bubba. It's amazing how two little words, "pro-choice", can put blinders on people.
14 posted on 11/17/2002 11:05:04 AM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: jody_b
I'm currently reading Bush's "A Charge to Keep". Nowhere does it mention him going AWOL. In fact, I was impressed with his apparent flight experience, and his acknowledgement that he never had to face the stresses of combat flying. I would like to know the facts about this. I tend to believe Bush's version. The fact that there were so few stories about this, in a liberally biased press, makes me pretty confident the story has no real truth to it, or is being distorted by omitting facts that would cast it in the proper light.
15 posted on 11/17/2002 11:05:10 AM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: Reagan Man
Here's a photo of the leftwinger.

SKANK!

16 posted on 11/17/2002 11:05:10 AM PST by lawdude
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To: jody_b
Whoa! What a news flash! Is there anyone out there who is not aware that Bush did not go to Vietnam? I think not. (the sarcasm is meant for McQuaig, not you)
17 posted on 11/17/2002 11:05:11 AM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: THX 1138
All rise for the required hate the liberal:

Linda McQuaig and the Cult of Evasion

Re: Michael's Interview with Linda McQuaig (Re: Her book -- Cult of Impotence) -- Mar. 22, 1998 -- CBC's This Morning

Dear Mr. Enright,

Your interview with Linda McQuaig convinced me that her new book, "Cult of Impotence," is not worth reading.

Consider just one example -- her suggestion that government should become less impotent with respect to unemployment.

Ms. McQuaig regards John Maynard Keynes as a genius for proposing that government spend its way to full employment. But where does the government get its money? It extorts it from taxpayers.

According to Keynes' "logic," a bankrobber reduces unemployment because he diverts our savings towards consumption. If you followed the bankrobber around while he spends his loot you would no doubt see an increase in economic activity and employment.

If you evade the fact that the money spent by the bankrobber is no longer available for the banks to finance those who actually create goods and services, plus the fact that certain individuals have been robbed of their personal savings -- you might conclude that robbing banks is "good for society." In other words, if you press your nose really hard to the tree in order to blank out the forest, you might believe that governments actually create jobs.

Ms. McQuaig had the effrontery to suggest that corporations are responsible for high unemployment because high unemployment allegedly benefits corporations. A corporation doesn't have the power to create widespread unemployment -- only the government has that power. She completely evaded the obvious role our not-so-impotent government has played in keeping unemployment high. It did so by artificially raising the cost of employment -- via the minimum wage, massive red tape, unemployment insurance, punitive taxation, etc.

In essence, Ms. McQuaig wants a government that is less impotent in job creation -- which in reality involves forcing people and corporations to become more impotent. Her book, entitled "The Cult of Impotence," appears to be just another example of what I call: "The cult of evasion."

Sincerely,

Glenn Woiceshyn

18 posted on 11/17/2002 11:05:29 AM PST by Ragin1
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To: jody_b
President Bush served his time in the Texas Air National Guard and has an Honerable Discharge. He nearly universally is loved and respected by our men and women in uniform.

Clinton dodged the draft, lied about it, "loathed" the military, and was nearly universally loathed in return by our men and women in uniform.

'Nuff said.

19 posted on 11/17/2002 11:08:10 AM PST by Hugin
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To: Welsh Rabbit
I didn't choose "news flash", I selected "news". If it came to you as a news flash, then the software must have a glitch in it. Sorry about that.
20 posted on 11/17/2002 11:08:40 AM PST by jody_b
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To: Reagan Man
Anyone that refers to begala has to be a major league loser
21 posted on 11/17/2002 11:10:09 AM PST by paul51
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To: jody_b
Outside of the other article on this subject you posted have you posted any other articles? Is this your assignment to hunt and post these President Bush military record articles? If so, go back to time frame of the 2000 campaign and you'll several thoughout the time period discussing this topic posted on FR.
22 posted on 11/17/2002 11:10:32 AM PST by deport
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To: Hugin
I agree with you, but do you have a link to an official reply from President Bush's staff on this matter?
23 posted on 11/17/2002 11:10:33 AM PST by jody_b
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To: jody_b
Certainly every little boy and girl in the United States address the PRESIDENT as "W", and inquires about his "War Record." /sarcasm. I loathe liberals.
24 posted on 11/17/2002 11:12:00 AM PST by Libertina
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To: paul51
Anyone that refers to begala has to be a major league loser

Well, you just referred to him, but I'll let it slide, this time. ;)

25 posted on 11/17/2002 11:12:24 AM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: jody_b
Canada = Jealous and Cowardly
26 posted on 11/17/2002 11:14:27 AM PST by moodyskeptic
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To: deport
Very good analysis, deport. You are exactly right.

Notice how we keep getting the question about whether the President's staff has ever issued a statement. It is meant to imply that they have no rebuttal, and therefore this article is true.

If I remember correctly, this whole canard is due to missing records from the National Guard, which given that they happened almost 30 years ago is not unusual. My father's WWII records are also missing, but I still believe he served (and have the medals to prove it).

New tactic by the left: show up asking for information to refute a scandalous charge. Bah!

27 posted on 11/17/2002 11:16:03 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: deport
I've read everything on this forum's archives dealing with this topic. I could not find a link to an official statement by President Bush's staff on this topic.

I thought the topic was dead, however the author of the article obviously has a vendetta against President Bush. It resufaced now and will resurface again. I feel confident that President Bush's staff has dealt with this, so I am asking for your help in locating their offical position. For example, a simple "NO" to the question would suffice, and one must have been given at some time. so where is it?
28 posted on 11/17/2002 11:17:57 AM PST by jody_b
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To: Miss Marple
A few articles from the FR archive (good reading):

The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, but Not AWOL, Either

Finally, The Truth About Bush's Military Service Record

29 posted on 11/17/2002 11:19:40 AM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: jody_b
Consider the source of this smear. The liberal media, of which the toronto star is one of the most biased are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find anything negative about President GWB. The results of the Nov 5th election scared the liberal media completely out of it's wits. These
neo-socialits/communists are whistling and spitting thier venom in the dark towards the 2004 elections.
30 posted on 11/17/2002 11:21:28 AM PST by desertcry
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To: jody_b
Why don't you do what deport suggested, and go look in the campaign material from the 2000 election. There were dozens of articles, explanations by the Texas Air National Guard, etc.

If you are interested, go look. Meanwhile, the reason this hasn't died is that this columnist is one of those far-left loonies who grasps on anything to smear the President.

You are skating on thin ice here, in my opinion. I have seen the disingenuous act from the democrat disruptors before. It is easy to spot, as deport has demonstrated. Now go research the information yourself. Google is quite helpful if you are truly interested in finding out the truth.

31 posted on 11/17/2002 11:22:09 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
Please don't create a monster here. I asked a simple question and you immediately accuse me of some other unstated purpose. Is it that hard to deal with a simple question about the source of an official position on this topic.

Apparently I touched a raw nerve with this question. OK, but if it is a recurring concern to you, then you should have an immediate answer to my simple question, "What is the link to the official position?"
32 posted on 11/17/2002 11:22:56 AM PST by jody_b
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To: jody_b
Better still, what did clinton do during the war?
33 posted on 11/17/2002 11:23:16 AM PST by Cannon6
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I dont wish terrorism on anyone. However, I am begining to think if it is going to happen that a taste--just a taste--in Germany, France and Canada would not be a bad place to start.

Then perhaps they could understand our perception of the world.
34 posted on 11/17/2002 11:24:17 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: jody_b
What was that question again?
35 posted on 11/17/2002 11:24:57 AM PST by nygoose
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To: Reagan Man
Re: "Just for the record, Linda McQuaig is a rabid anti-Bush zealot."

Rabid in deed. She's a freakin' dog.

Trajan88; TAMU Class of '88

36 posted on 11/17/2002 11:26:06 AM PST by Trajan88
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To: jody_b
LOL! No raw nerve here, simple common sense. Above are two links that explain the situation. Go read them. Then quit asking the question, since it has been answered numerous times.
37 posted on 11/17/2002 11:26:39 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
As I stated in another reply on this thread, I've read everything in this forum's archives on this topic. I found a lot of angry comments, but I didn't find a citation or link to an official position on the topic. Surely President Bush's staff must have prepared an official response at some time, so where is it?
38 posted on 11/17/2002 11:27:18 AM PST by jody_b
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To: Reagan Man
This would be equivalent to the media withholding comment as former U.S. President Bill Clinton publicly espoused the virtues of marital fidelity.

News Flash to McQuaig: The media ignored Clinton's rape and womanizing; they were complicit in the crimes, on a national scale, beginning with 60 Minutes in 1992...

39 posted on 11/17/2002 11:27:49 AM PST by IncPen
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To: Republic
Linda's ideal man-in-uniform:
40 posted on 11/17/2002 11:29:57 AM PST by Undertow
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To: jody_b
Those caught shirking National Guard duties were usually punished by being drafted into the real army ?

This b*tch has got some nerve.

This one is for all you Liberal Lurkers. A Texas National Guardsman

41 posted on 11/17/2002 11:30:29 AM PST by I got the rope
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To: jody_b
"Why doesn't the media just drop this old lie. I thought Presiedent Bush or his staff presented facts that absolutely refuted this false charge."

Why if you thought this, why keep bringing it up?


42 posted on 11/17/2002 11:32:21 AM PST by Cannon6
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To: jody_b
I didn't choose "news flash", I selected "news". If it came to you as a news flash, then the software must have a glitch in it. Sorry about that.

I wouldn't know, I always select "latest articles". The use of the term "news flash" was meant to be sarcasm towards this McQuaig character's attempt to pass off what is common knowledge as some sort of hard-hitting expose` on Bush.
43 posted on 11/17/2002 11:32:26 AM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: Miss Marple
See my reply #38. Neither of the two cited articles gives an official statement by President Bush or his staff on this matter. Perhaps you should go reread the two cited articles, because you have either forgotten or never knew what they said.

The easiest way out of this discussion is to say that I asked a simple question and haven't yet received an answer.
44 posted on 11/17/2002 11:32:37 AM PST by jody_b
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To: Reagan Man
Just for the record, Linda McQuaig is a rabid anti-Bush zealot.

Nah, ya think??

45 posted on 11/17/2002 11:34:02 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: jody_b
Dubya flew the F-102. If memory serves, all F-102s in the guard came under ADC. (Air Defence Command) Well let me tell you a bit about the ADC mission. ADC was responsible for intercepting and destroying any A/C which posed a threat to these United States. At many bases, two A/C were kept hot. That means there was a pilot in the cockpit, a power cart connected, and ready to launch.

If the A/C scrambled they were vectored to the bogy by GCI. (Ground Controlled Intercept) If the Bogy was indeed a threat, they launched on it. The profile was such that if the ordenance missed, the F-102 didn't.

The F-102 (aka the lead sled) didn't have just a whole lot of range. If the fire went out on the way home, your only choice was to punch out. No Martin Baker seat in those A/C. You were shot out by a 75mm cartridge. Crushed vertebra were not uncommon.

No, you won't hear me calling Dubya a draft doger.
46 posted on 11/17/2002 11:34:53 AM PST by cannonball
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To: jody_b
Here is my question to you: why are you expecting us to do YOUR research? Simple logic should tell you that President Bush would never have run for the presidency if he had been guilty of going AWOL. Simple logic should tell you that Ann Richards and Al Gore moved heaven and earth to find dirt on him, and the worst they could find was a DUI for which he paid a fine.

So, why are you so interested in an official statement? I see no "official" statement as necessary.

47 posted on 11/17/2002 11:35:50 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Cannon6
Because a personal "thought" is not as good as citing an official statement by either Presiednt Bush or his staff on this topic.

I view FR as a viable source of links to facts on President Bush. Thos who have replied to this thread are clearly familiar with this topic and they have their "thoughts" on the matter. Surely someone on this forum has a link to an official reply by President Bush.
48 posted on 11/17/2002 11:37:24 AM PST by jody_b
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To: Reagan Man
She's a liar...

and fugly too.

49 posted on 11/17/2002 11:38:12 AM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: jody_b
What is the link to the official position?"

The "official position" is that there is no official position. Why would Bush's people ever respond to such a ludicrous accusation?

There is nothing to this AWOL charge! If there were, Bush would have been beat over the head with it in 2000.

Besides, don't you think Bush has distinguished himself as the commander-in-chief? I do. What Bush did or didn't do when he flew jets for the Texas Air Guard is something that doesn't matter a whit to the vast majority of Americans.

You? You think a "journalist" with a face that would make a train take a dirt road is somebody serious.

50 posted on 11/17/2002 11:38:33 AM PST by sinkspur
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