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Atkins diet beats low-fat fare
MSNBC ^ | 11-18-02 | AP

Posted on 11/18/2002 5:32:27 PM PST by Paradox

Nov. 18 — Multitudes swear by the high-fat, low-carbohydrate Atkins diet, and now a carefully controlled study backs them up: Low-carb may actually take off more weight than low-fat and may be surprisingly better for cholesterol, too.

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Westman studied 120 overweight volunteers, who were randomly assigned to the Atkins diet or the heart association’s Step 1 diet, a widely used low-fat approach. On the Atkins diet, people limited their carbs to less than 20 grams a day, and 60 percent of their calories came from fat. “It was high fat, off the scale,” he said.

After six months, the people on the Atkins diet had lost 31 pounds, compared with 20 pounds on the AHA diet, and more people stuck with the Atkins regimen.


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More preliminary science in support of the low-carb approach.

1 posted on 11/18/2002 5:32:27 PM PST by Paradox
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To: Paradox
For those of us stuck in a time warp (or previously just didn't give a damn), in a nutshell: what is the Adkins diet?
2 posted on 11/18/2002 5:33:45 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
its a low carb diet that works ,lost 50 lbs over a year ago and have kept it off
3 posted on 11/18/2002 5:35:26 PM PST by linn37
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To: RightOnline; Senator Pardek
It is Pardek's pet peeve.
4 posted on 11/18/2002 5:35:45 PM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: RightOnline
I know someone that swears by it. She eats all the fats she wants (like mayo) but cuts out sugars incl. fruit which is high in sugar. She's lost 30 pounds.
5 posted on 11/18/2002 5:36:37 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Paradox
My brother has been on this diet for 35 years. He appears to be in perfect health- age 61 looks like 45 year old at the most.
6 posted on 11/18/2002 5:37:30 PM PST by Mark
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To: Paradox
Oh no, is it time for another Atkins thread?
7 posted on 11/18/2002 5:38:26 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: RightOnline
s/b "Atkins", not "Adkins"......sorry.....bad fingers.......bad......bad.....
8 posted on 11/18/2002 5:39:45 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Paradox
Actually the Atkins Diet sucks just as badly as a low-fat diet.

Consider life under the Atkins plan...you'll be ordering cheeseburgers without the buns and you'll have to practically cut out of your diet forever such staples as rice, pasta and breads.

And here's the kicker...no beer! NO BEER!

So knock the 10 years off my life already and hand me that bottle opener...

9 posted on 11/18/2002 5:40:33 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: RightOnline
I guess you should find out from the horse's mouth.

I swear by this diet and others like it, but the detractors like to make a lot of noise.

10 posted on 11/18/2002 5:41:23 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: RightOnline
High protein, high fat, very low carbohydrate diet. Take the food pyramid promoted by the government, and invert it.

Carbohydrates are digested as sugar, sugar converts to fat, and also spikes the metabolism upward. This causes hunger, which dieters try to satisfy with "low fat" carbohydrates, which starts the cycle all over again.

Why is America so fat, with all the "low fat" food around? It's all carbohydrate, that's why. What do farmers feed pigs? Grain, and CARBOHYDRATES!

Eat like our ancestors ate: meat, some cheese, greens, and low-glycemic vegetables.

If one gets the sugar (both obvious and hidden) out of the diet, one will lose weight.

Period.

11 posted on 11/18/2002 5:42:00 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: SamAdams76
Hey Sam they have that Low Carb Beer Now. I can't remember but it was like 5 carbs a Brew.
12 posted on 11/18/2002 5:43:32 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: Dark Wing
ping
13 posted on 11/18/2002 5:44:33 PM PST by Thud
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To: Paradox
Love that Atkins' Diet. Why do so many people spell it with a D?

I lost 70 pounds two years ago. I have gained back 0 pounds and enjoy PRIME RIB as often as I want. My cholesterol dropped 60 points.

I miss pasta, but the meatballs and sausage are a good substitute.
14 posted on 11/18/2002 5:44:41 PM PST by Poser
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To: RightOnline
Dr. Atkins' main premise is that insulin plays a big part in getting fat and having low energy. When you eat lots of carbs, insulin is produced to convert the carbs into energy. The body over-reacts and a surge of insulin sweeps through your blood, converting lots of the carbs into fat.

By avoiding carbs, you force your body to use fat for energy. Fat has two advantages: it takes longer to metabolize, and does not need insulin for the conversion. (As well, lots of fat serves as an appetitie suppressant.)

Etc. etc. Anyways the main thrust is that using high fat, high protein is better for you in general and specifically when dieting. You can safely lose between 0.5 and 1 lb per day on Atkins.

15 posted on 11/18/2002 5:44:45 PM PST by ikka
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To: SamAdams76
Bottle opener??

you must be in the stonage. It's been years since I've had to use a church key on a bottle of beer. Did you miss the "twist off" revolution?
16 posted on 11/18/2002 5:48:03 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: cmsgop
What's the brand name?
17 posted on 11/18/2002 5:48:54 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: RightOnline
You have to be in quite the time warp to not know Atkins. Although his diet just seems to be peaking in popularity, it's been around since the early 70s and is the most successful diet plan in history (if you can believe the hype, which I do).

I started hearing about it 3+ years ago from someone who had lost about 40 lbs on it and loved it. I tried it without reading the book and wasn't too successful. But when I finally read the book and did it right, I lost 35 lbs in about 3-4 months and got down to my ideal weight. I still eat a low-carb diet and love it.

18 posted on 11/18/2002 5:49:52 PM PST by Mr. Mulliner
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To: cmsgop
2.9 GRAMS O' CARBS!!


19 posted on 11/18/2002 5:50:01 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: SamAdams76
you'll have to practically cut out of your diet forever such staples as rice, pasta and breads.

And here's the kicker...no beer! NO BEER!

That's actually not true, Sam. I'm on a semi-Adkins diet as I've reached my desired weight. I have pasta once every two weeks or so, sushi every two weeks, and drink two glasses of wine EVERY NIGHT!

Americans eat too many carbohydrates and consume way too much sugar. Surely you recognize that.

The Adkins diet works. It has a 30 year history, and there are too many success stories to discredit it.

I, for one, am glad to see Dr. Adkins getting some recognition after being laughed at for 30 years.

Those who laughed at him are some of the fattest people on earth right now.

You could always try Dean Ornish's diet, and eat grass the rest of your life.

21 posted on 11/18/2002 5:52:20 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
If you want to lose even faster, cut out the fat and just eat protein.

....and if that ain't fast enough for you, switch to sawdust, corn cobs, peanut shells, and pure distilled water!



Seriously, people can take these diets a little too far. You gotta use a little common sense.
22 posted on 11/18/2002 5:53:23 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: cmsgop
I think you are talking about Michelob Ultra. Yuck. My main beer these days is Pilsner Urquell. I'm not sure how many carbs are in it but I'm sure it's not a factor considering I rarely drink more than three bottles in a day.

I can see the merit in reducing carbohydrates however. But I think people have a tendency to go overboard. Moderation is the key.

23 posted on 11/18/2002 5:55:43 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: mamelukesabre
If you ask me, there's tons of common sense behind Atkins. Good research too. Glad to see that those who scoffed at him are finally coming around.
24 posted on 11/18/2002 5:56:05 PM PST by Mr. Mulliner
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To: Paradox
"Still, the number of overweight people studied this way is small, and the research does not examine possible long-term ills or advantages, including how long people keep the pounds off."

I'm especially interested to see how this affects cancer. I would also like to know what happens once people get off the Atkin's diet and ate normally again. I would also like to know how it affects endurance. Will marathoners now switch to atkin's before their run instead of pasta?
I continue to maintain that you can eat anything you want-prime rib AND potatoes and still lose a safe 1-2 pounds a week. Just don't eat so much
25 posted on 11/18/2002 5:56:22 PM PST by arielb
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To: mamelukesabre
Did you miss the "twist off" revolution?

No, but I think the brewers of the beer I drink did. None of the beers I drink twist off. Pilsner Urquell, Sam Adams, Samuel Smith...

26 posted on 11/18/2002 5:57:02 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Spunky
Bump for later read
27 posted on 11/18/2002 5:58:13 PM PST by Spunky
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To: mamelukesabre
Seriously, people can take these diets a little too far. You gotta use a little common sense.

Exactly. But cutting calories never worked for me. Never. I don't have the discipline for it.

I eat two hard-boiled eggs for breakfast, a chicken breast for lunch, some cheese in the afternoon for a snack, and a meat and a Caesar salad (with wine) for dinner.

Guess what? I actually eat fewer calories than I did when I was stuffing my face with bread and nachos.

Protein satisfies hunger much more than carbs do.

And your body is not worn out all the time by consuming and digesting all those carbs!

28 posted on 11/18/2002 5:59:10 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Poser
Your post is very encouraging...

I'm a newbie (started Atkins two weeks ago). I weighed 257 on Election Day, and am now at 240.

Tough? Yeah. I would love to have some potatoes, apples, and, GOD KNOWS, I could eat an entire chocolate layer cake IN MY WEAK MOMENTS.

But, those weak moments are brief, and as I write this I'm not hungry in the least, and my intake today consisted of two boiled eggs at breakfast, a baked chicken thigh and leg at lunch, and seasoned pork ribs and cheesy broccoli at dinner.

I'm acutely aware that KEEPING the weight off is the real challenge, so, like the Republicans, I'm not about to start gloating.

But I'm encouraged for the first time in my life.

29 posted on 11/18/2002 6:00:44 PM PST by daler
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To: Mr. Mulliner
What would this diet say about eating chili?

The chili I make has lots of black beans, kidney beans and pinto beans. There's lots of fat in there from the meat, and lots of protein from both the meat and the beans, but beans have carbs too. If this diet won't let you eat chili with beans, then it ain't worth BEANS to me!
30 posted on 11/18/2002 6:02:15 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
If you want to lose even faster, cut out the fat and just eat protein.

But the problem then becomes hunger. The beauty of the Atkins approach is that you are nowhere NEAR as hungry as you used to be; that is, when you ate bread and potatoes and pizza and desserts (and don't forget those breakfast cereals).

31 posted on 11/18/2002 6:02:39 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Paradox
Many of these diets tend to make things more complicated than they should be.

Losing weight is simple -- just burn off more calories than you consume. What makes this difficult is that people try to reduce the "consumption" side of the equation instead of increasing the "burning" side.

Having said that, I can also see the value of an Atkins-type diet. I have found that carbohydrates tend to slow the body's metabolism, thereby making it harder to burn calories during periods of low activity.

Sure-fire way to lose a ton of weight -- get a full night's sleep every night, get up early, and exercise in the morning, even moderately. It will raise your body's metabolism for the entire day.

32 posted on 11/18/2002 6:03:45 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: mamelukesabre
Common sense and time. It takes time to lose the weight. I lost 110 pounds. It took a year and a half. It wasn't hard at all once I set about doing it. I ate low fat-low carb-low calorie diet. I have since moderated somewhat and have many days where I 'cheat'.

The other thing that is mandatory is exercise. I walk 8 miles a day, 5 days a week. It works, folks.

33 posted on 11/18/2002 6:04:42 PM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: sinkspur
That's actually not true, Sam. I'm on a semi-Adkins diet as I've reached my desired weight. I have pasta once every two weeks or so, sushi every two weeks, and drink two glasses of wine EVERY NIGHT!

Okay, but you are in the maintenance phase. I've read the book and it clearly states NO pasta and no beer or wine during the weight-losing phase of it. And Atkins even goes on to say in the book that he does not think people should drink any alcoholic beverage of any kind. Clearly he is of a Prohibitionist bent.

I totally agree that people eat way too many carbs (which convert to sugars). That is why I totally shun the processed junk in the supermarkets like chips, cookies, cakes and so forth and stick to "whole" foods as much as I can. My diet is on the Meditteranean model - lots of meat, fish, nuts, pasta, rice, olive oil, vegetables and beans. With beer and/or wine daily. I hardly ever eat fruit because I find it too sweet and besides, it doesn't keep well when I get it home.

34 posted on 11/18/2002 6:06:13 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Pharmboy
IF ya wanna look like beef jerky and shoe leather, the quickest way to get there is ta eat nuttin but beef jerky an shoe leather. ;-)
35 posted on 11/18/2002 6:06:27 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Trust but Verify
That's it -- the exercise is the key. Burning 4,000 calories in a 2.5-hour hockey game a couple of days a week doesn't hurt. LOL.
36 posted on 11/18/2002 6:09:49 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Paradox
Thanks for the post. Atkins is correct.

And, to all Freepers who are interested (or as a now retired old boss who grew up in The Bronx used to say "innarested") in this and similar subjects click here for many great links and basic information on the paleolithic (caveman) diet.

37 posted on 11/18/2002 6:10:58 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
Absolutely, when you crash off the carbs you are hungry as a BEAR and can't help looking for something to eat.

On the other hand, if I have three eggs and six slices of bacon for breakfast (as I do very often), I can almost go all the way to dinner without eating again. Just not hungry.
38 posted on 11/18/2002 6:14:20 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: sinkspur
I concur. I started Atkins in August and have lost 18 pounds. My wife won't listen to reasoning on this 'cause she sees me buying the protein bars and stuff (love to eat, had to cut down on them too,) and that it's a waste of money and (ooohh sooo dangerous...) I try to tell her that I haven't felt more even-keeled energy-wise in so long. Me, the food-vaccuum, and I don't pig out like I used to. I actually can push away.

Lots of water, which is good. And I love the meat and cheeses.

Now if I can get into an excercise routine just even 3-times a week, it'd come off faster.

Her problem is that she thinks my first hemorroids(sp?) (at 41), or the teenage girl dying of heart arythmia (on FR last week...), etc. all somehow are "because of that stupid Atkins diet...".

Some just will believe whatever they hear on Oprah or whatever and ignore what's reasonable.
39 posted on 11/18/2002 6:14:21 PM PST by time4good
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To: Pharmboy
But the problem then becomes hunger. The beauty of the Atkins approach is that you are nowhere NEAR as hungry as you used to be; that is, when you ate bread and potatoes and pizza and desserts (and don't forget those breakfast cereals).

I'm hardly ever hungry on this plan, but I never skip meals. Initially, I went on it to control my hypoglycemia and food allergies. I was shocked to find out how much it's stabilized my blood sugar. Now, I have no more hypoglemic episodes and my allergic reactions are gone. Other added benefits: no more insomnia (I sleep like a rock), my skin looks a thousand times better, no more indigestion, I can *concentrate*, and I never get sleepy during the day. There's more, but I don't want to be long-winded. :)

40 posted on 11/18/2002 6:14:58 PM PST by grimalkin
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To: sinkspur
The way my ancestors ate meat was to catch lots of fish! Dr. Atkins probably would take it to be merely a variation on his diet, but I supplement it with 10 pounds of nuts per week.

Oh, yes, a fresh squirrel is an acceptable deviation every now and then.

41 posted on 11/18/2002 6:16:23 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SamAdams76
But Sam, you can have practically unlimited CHEESE. And you're allowed to eat the chicken skin, or the fat on a steak.

I have wine or whiskey every night too.

Not deprived here.
42 posted on 11/18/2002 6:18:30 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: SamAdams76
>And here's the kicker...no beer! NO BEER!

Wrongo, Bucko! A can of Miller Light has around 4 grams of carbohydrate. Ok, you can't get drunk, but you don't have to give beer up totally.
43 posted on 11/18/2002 6:18:51 PM PST by Darnright
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To: SamAdams76
Not true. Michelob just came out with low-carb beer. A little more expensive than my good old silver bullet, but about the same as any import.
44 posted on 11/18/2002 6:18:57 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: time4good
Hemorroids happen to some people on the Atkis Diet....
45 posted on 11/18/2002 6:19:08 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: SamAdams76
"....So knock the 10 years off my life already and hand me that bottle opener..."

Hey Sam, I switched to Scotch. No carbs, and more to the point.

46 posted on 11/18/2002 6:19:12 PM PST by Victor
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To: El Sordo
Thanks , Thats what I was talking about to Sam......
47 posted on 11/18/2002 6:19:50 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: Victor
Hey Sam, I switched to Scotch. No carbs, and more to the point.

Hey, Alcohol has calories also. It is energy. I'm not quite sure of the metabolism mechanism with it, but an overabundance of alcohol will help make you fat.

That said, I'm not at liberty to tell you what my brother-in-law and I did to a fine Ardbeg 10 year old single malt last weekend, but it wasn't pretty. :^)

48 posted on 11/18/2002 6:23:38 PM PST by meyer
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To: time4good
I try to tell her that I haven't felt more even-keeled energy-wise in so long. Me, the food-vaccuum, and I don't pig out like I used to. I actually can push away.

We're going to find out, eventually, that carbohydrates are what are killing us, food-wise.

Now, Atkins stresses that a low-fat diet (meaning no fatty red meats, no fried meats, no cheese) will take off weight even faster, and he has an aversion to alcohol.

White wine has 3 grams of carbs in a 4 oz glass, which means two glasses yield only 6 grams of carbs.

Drinking wine hasn't affected my weight, in the least.

Stay with your program, and walk a little, and you'll continue to lose weight.

Remember: Nothing tastes as good as thin looks and feels.

49 posted on 11/18/2002 6:24:35 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Paradox
Yup. No feed-bag cattle "food pyramid" for me. Steak, fish, eggs, etc. At perfect body weight and feel great - for 3 years.

Once you get to "maintenance", you can introduce some carbs back into your diet. I'll eat the burger with the bun and even fries.

Every couple of months, we even order a pizza.

50 posted on 11/18/2002 6:24:45 PM PST by Rate_Determining_Step
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