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Atkins diet beats low-fat fare
MSNBC ^ | 11-18-02 | AP

Posted on 11/18/2002 5:32:27 PM PST by Paradox

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To: SamAdams76
And Atkins even goes on to say in the book that he does not think people should drink any alcoholic beverage of any kind.

Actually he says no alcoholic beverage with sugar in it. He specifically mentions he likes a glass of scotch and soda in the evening.

101 posted on 11/18/2002 7:55:34 PM PST by Hugin
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To: Tribune7
Is that, "The whole nine-yards?"
102 posted on 11/18/2002 7:55:54 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: uncbob
you ever heard of a rendering plant?
103 posted on 11/18/2002 7:58:05 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Hugin
"And Atkins even goes on to say in the book that he does not think people should drink any alcoholic beverage of any kind."

I believe that is only during the induction period.

104 posted on 11/18/2002 7:58:58 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield
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To: WVNan
. She looked at me and said, "Dr. Atkins died from a massive heart attack." She said the diet is a killer.

Hmmm...except Dr Atkins didn't die, and his heart attack was due an infection, not diet.

I'm so glad your husband is home now, though. God Bless.

105 posted on 11/18/2002 7:59:38 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Paradox
How about true vegetarians
They shun eggs and any animal product like lard butter and meats

They are almost all grain and vegetable plus nuts but DEFINITELY a low fat diet . So they eat breads, bananas fruits, fruit juice , veggies .

To my understanding they are not fat overweight people
106 posted on 11/18/2002 7:59:40 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation; sinkspur; Poser; ikka; Mr. Mulliner; daler; Trust but Verify; ...
About a year ago I went on a diet to lose weight. I ate similar to the Atkins diet. However, the Atkins diet is missing a very important factor. Essential fatty acids. Most people are not aware of how oils can affect weight, especially the benefits of the EFAs. EFAs are very important to our health and we should make sure we are getting enough regardless of whether or not we are trying to manage our weight, but they are very effective when trying to lose weight.

The EFAs, especially the Omega 3 EFA, helps the body to burn off excess fat. One of the important functions of EFAs is increased energy production by the body. Instead of being used as fuel, they are converted into hormone-like prostaglandins. Because they are never used as fuel the calorie content of EFAs are effectively zero. In addition to not counting as calories, these fats increase our metabolic rate helping to burn more calories and helping us lose weight and keep slim. EFAs also help our kidneys dump excess water in tissues, which constitutes significant extra weight in some people.

I take an EFA oil supplement called "Udo's Choice Perfected Oil Blend". It made a world of difference in my weight loss, and I continue to use it for the health benefits. The man behind the product, Udo Erasmus, is considered the foremost authority on the subject of oils and our health. I highly recommend that people read his book Fats That Heal Fats That Kill. It is a well documented resource that brings together all of the important research and knowledge about fats and our health. In fact I think this book should be required reading in high school. The information presented is that important. You should be able to find it at any local health food store, or online at such places as Amazon.com.

If nothing else, you can read a summary of the information contained in the book: "Fats That Heal Fats That Kill" - The Complete Lecture! I cannot stress it enough that this man knows what he is talking about. I followed his advice on weight management and his advice on how oils play a part in health.

Based on Udo's advice and his Oil Blend, I noticed a definite change for the better in my health after about 3 days. Over a few months, I lost about 50 lbs. It was simple, easy and almost effortless.

This is basically what I did:

Of course I ate less than I did before, but hunger wasn't an issue since I didn't want to eat as much. Unprocessed oils (like Udo's Oil Blend) are natural appetite suppressors. I was full sooner and remained satisfied longer. I never felt hungry while I was losing the weight.

Do your health a favor and look into this. At least read the lecture. In addition to the weight management aspect, check out the other MAJOR health benefits the EFAs bring. Feel free to ask me about anything you might have a question about or if you want to know more about anything that I mentioned.

107 posted on 11/18/2002 8:00:27 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: mamelukesabre
you ever heard of a rendering plant?

That is the waste products .
Pigs are raised for their protein
Steers are raised on corn and grains
You gonna tell me steers are raised for their fat
In addition deer have a very low fat% in their meat and all they eat are grains grass etc. What fat do they consume
108 posted on 11/18/2002 8:03:15 PM PST by uncbob
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To: JameRetief
I guess it might be a good thing to provide links, eh?

The supplement: Udo's Choice Perfected Oil Blend

The book: Fats That Heal Fats That Kill.

 The lecture: "Fats That Heal Fats That Kill" - The Complete Lecture!

109 posted on 11/18/2002 8:03:30 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: SamAdams76
MICHELOB ULTRA LOW CARB BEER!!!
110 posted on 11/18/2002 8:04:29 PM PST by des
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To: cmsgop; SamAdams76
DON'T TRY IT!

Let me describe it: it tastes like a Coors Light diluted with soda water @ about a 1:4 beer:water ratio.

In other words, it's not the worse thing I've ever tasted, but it's pretty bad, especially if you're one of those "if you can see through the beer, it's not a real beer" types.

111 posted on 11/18/2002 8:04:59 PM PST by realpatriot71
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To: uncbob
I should add so are bufalo
They are touted as being a healthy meat since there is a very low fat content
They are raised on grass grains etc not eggs and butter
112 posted on 11/18/2002 8:05:26 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Paradox; All
Bottom line: restricting calories below maintenence will cause you to lose "weight". Wether one wants to do this by eating all fat, all protein, all carbs, or combinations thereof doesn't matter.
113 posted on 11/18/2002 8:08:23 PM PST by realpatriot71
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To: Paradox
Bump for a later read. Thanks.
114 posted on 11/18/2002 8:10:23 PM PST by MattinNJ
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To: realpatriot71
Let me describe it: it tastes like a Coors Light diluted with soda water @ about a 1:4 beer:water ratio.

Which is why I'll never drink it. I know I'll come across as a snob to some, but I just can't drink the mass-produced American beer like Budweiser, Coors, Miller or Michelob. It's swill to me. To me, beer should be filling. I consider it more of a food then a drink.

115 posted on 11/18/2002 8:11:01 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: uncbob
Once you've cut out all the tastiest parts, it all goes to the rendering plant.....there the more fat the better.

But now I do see your point, sort of. The tastiest parts are what the farmer strives for, so in that sense, the animal is not "raised" for lard or beef fat.
116 posted on 11/18/2002 8:12:19 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: SamAdams76
Then how can you possibly drink sam adams beer? It's basically budwieser with a higher alcohol content.

now samuel smith....that's a beer you can sink your teeth into. MMMMM, oatmeal stout....yummy.
117 posted on 11/18/2002 8:14:05 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: daler
Your post is very encouraging...

I'm a newbie (started Atkins two weeks ago). I weighed 257 on Election Day, and am now at 240.

If you've dropped 17 lbs. in 2 weeks...you don't need anybody's post for encouragement. Good work! Keep it up!

118 posted on 11/18/2002 8:18:45 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: uncbob
What is a Herbivore.
119 posted on 11/18/2002 8:21:01 PM PST by Stentor
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To: uncbob
I might add don't look at animals for examples they are not the same as people . Horses can live eating grass and hay
Try existing on that diet
120 posted on 11/18/2002 8:21:05 PM PST by uncbob
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To: SamAdams76
I do enjoy "tasty" beers (with dinner or such), but, when I'm not "messin' around," I normally prefer beers that I can pound rather rapidly. It's a habit I picked up in high school and have yet to grow out of :-)
121 posted on 11/18/2002 8:25:19 PM PST by realpatriot71
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To: uncbob
How about true vegetarians They shun eggs and any animal product like lard butter and meats They are almost all grain and vegetable plus nuts but DEFINITELY a low fat diet . So they eat breads, bananas fruits, fruit juice , veggies . To my understanding they are not fat overweight people

Anybody going to comment on this ?
122 posted on 11/18/2002 8:27:51 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
Gotta be some vegetarians on this site
Can you give us some info
123 posted on 11/18/2002 8:29:31 PM PST by uncbob
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To: mamelukesabre
My mainstay beer is Pilsner Urquell. Though Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout is one of my all-time favorites. Sam Adams beer has fallen out of favor with me over the past few years. I stopped drinking it entirely over the past summer. I wouldn't put it down there with Budweiser however, it's not THAT bad.
124 posted on 11/18/2002 8:33:15 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: WVNan
Glad to hear hubby is now home and prayers were answered.:)

I have known about the sugar, carb connection to poor health for years. I have cut them down but have kids who love them.
Trying to keep the family healthy is hard, but worth it. My son needs to lose weight and I may try a modified version of Atkins.

BTW, my kids think I'm nutty, but I've seen what Froot Loops can do to a kid. LOL
125 posted on 11/18/2002 8:34:05 PM PST by valleygal
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
"Dr. Atkins died from a massive heart attack."

Utter BS

Dr. Atkins is alive and 71 years old.

I wonder how many people confuse Dr. Atkins with Nathan Pritikin? Polar opposite approaches to diet yet both fabulously famous in turns.

While today's accepted government-approved diet mirrors Pritikin's advice, it is wise to note that Pritikin suffered from end-stage leukemia and took his own life before attaining his "Three-score and ten," while indeed Atkins still lives.

Moreover, Pritikin was not a medical doctor nor was he a college graduate (for whatever that is worth).

Only in America are people obsessed with what they will eat rather than whether they will eat.

In 1987 Consumers Report did a study on breakfast cereals using lab rats; only the rats fed lab food and Cheerios prospered, the rest either died prematurely or failed to reproduce normally; oats and water did the trick for rodents, in California condors are fed half-rotten meat and do quite nicely unless they get too close to rain gauges.

My experience with a low-carb diet left me hungry and I lost weight.

126 posted on 11/18/2002 8:51:01 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Alberta's Child
I think the advantage of Atkins is that it kind of "preps" your body for weight loss by increasing your metabolism, reducing cravings, etc. But in the long run the result is the same -- burning more calories than you consume.

Still not quite true. In my case I had several weeks where I would lose 6-8 pounds in 7 days (OTOH, I had several weeks where I would not lose an once - da&n plateaus!). If a pound of fat contains 3,500 calories, and I consumed ~1600 cal/day, then in those weeks I "burned" about 5,100 cal/day. That's not possible. What I was really doing was excreting unmetabolized ketone fragments without oxidizing them first (Atkins can be hard on your kidneys. Drink ALOT of water on it to keep them flushed). Your body is not a simple calorimeter. The calorie myth (in must equal out as energy equivilents) is one of the most pervasive nonsequitors out there about dieting.

127 posted on 11/18/2002 8:53:18 PM PST by lafroste
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To: uncbob
Vegetarians generally eat foods that are considerably lower in calories. Their foods are generally bulkier (lots of fiber which passes through their system, and helps to clean their digestive track) and more conducive to increasing metabolism. Fruits and vegetables also tend to be higher in water content which also helps in weight management.

There are a lot of benefits to adjusting your diet to include predominately vegetarian foods. It does help in weight management. It also helps with digestion, intestinal flora, vitamin/mineral balance, etc., etc.

I try to eat a good variety of foods, both meats and vegetables.

128 posted on 11/18/2002 8:58:00 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: WVNan
"Dr. Atkins died from a massive heart attack."

Atkins died from a cardiac viral inflammation, not a myocarial infarction. Find another doctor.

129 posted on 11/18/2002 8:58:22 PM PST by lafroste
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To: fogarty
Diets are for those who are too undisciplined and who lack the willpower to EXERCISE. That includes the Atkins diet.

Spoken like a true ignoramous.

130 posted on 11/18/2002 8:59:55 PM PST by lafroste
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To: lafroste
Atkins died from a cardiac viral inflammation, not a myocarial infarction. Find another doctor.

Last I heard, Atkins survived the viral attack and he is still alive and living in New York.

131 posted on 11/18/2002 9:06:32 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: uncbob
Depends upon how much grains they eat...

But you can definately be a FAT vegiterian, if you're not careful...

Anyone ever wonder why ALL the largest creatures that ever lived on earth are all 100% vegiterians? Brachiosarous, elphants, hippos, cape buffalo, giraffes, horses, bison, etc...

T-Rex was a big guy, but the plant-eating dinosaurs that were his contemporaries were MUCH larger...

Also notice that the closer a land-animal is to being 100% carnivore, that they are actually quite thin & sleek? Cats are about about the closest to a 100% meat eater, yet I've never seen a wild cat of any species that was anything but lean & mean...

132 posted on 11/18/2002 9:34:05 PM PST by Ronzo
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To: cmsgop
Hemorroids happen to some people on the Atkins Diet....

Hemorroids happen to some people NOT on the Atkins Diet....

133 posted on 11/18/2002 10:23:47 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Alberta's Child
...But in the long run the result is the same -- burning more calories than you consume.

There is one thing you are overlooking. That is that most fat comes as a by-product of the Krebs cycle which requires INSULIN. The amount of insulin your body secretes is determined by the amount of carbohydrates you injest! Basically, carbohydrates are converted by insulin in the Krebs cycle to glycogen to power the cells... but excess glycogen that is NOT used is then converted to FAT... human fat. When dietary fat is used instead of dietary carbs to power the body in Ketosis, insulin is not produced in quantity. Without the carbohydrates, the body does not produce anywhere near the amount of insulin and the excess dietary FAT is excreted instead of converted to human fat.

This means that if you injest 3000 calories of carbohydrates, you better be prepared to burn 3000 calories or the excess will be turned to fat. However, if you injest 3000 calories of dietary fat, it is not necessarily required to burn 3000 calories to avoid converting it to human fat... because the Krebs cycle is missing or minimal.

134 posted on 11/18/2002 10:38:31 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: JameRetief
Do your health a favor and look into this. At least read the lecture. In addition to the weight management aspect, check out the other MAJOR health benefits the EFAs bring. Feel free to ask me about anything you might have a question about or if you want to know more about anything that I mentioned.

If you've read the Atkins book, you know that he does not leave these out. He absolutely recommends supplements of this type and many others. I bought his EFA supplement and the multivitamin.

135 posted on 11/18/2002 10:38:59 PM PST by Dianna
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To: uncbob
I have only persoanlly known one person who does not eat meat. I wouldn't call her a vegetarian because that suggests a purity which someone who drinks coffee and eats candy doesn't jibe with. She is not thin and when she was in her more extreme dieting phase she got thinner but didn't look healthy to me.

Mostly it was her hair and skin which looked bad.

136 posted on 11/18/2002 10:43:31 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Dianna
If you've read the Atkins book, you know that he does not leave these out. He absolutely recommends supplements of this type and many others. I bought his EFA supplement and the multivitamin.

The amount of EFAs that Dr. Atkins recommends is woefully inadequate for our bodies needs, and the products he sells uses oils that have been processed, completely negating any benefits that you could have gotten from them.

His EFA products, just like most oil supplements on the market, are in capsule/softgel form and are measured in milligrams. Our bodies need approximately 30-45 GRAMS per day of unrefined/unprocessed EFAs.

The oils in capsule/softgel form (especially if they contain fish oils, as Atkins' products do) are usually deodorized and/or processed. This means the product has already become rancid/damaged before leaving the manufacturer and as such is no longer useful for a health supplement. By altering the oils further, as the refining processes do, the oils become detrimental to your health. Luckily, softgel/capsule oil supplements are in such small quantities, it's harmful effects are minimal.

The beneficial EFA oil supplements are those that are pressed under protection from heat, light, and oxygen; packaged in tightly sealed brown glass bottles; placed in a light-excluding box; and stored in refridgeration. If you truly want the benefits of EFAs, you absolutely must consume them in sufficient quantities necessary for our bodies. The necessary amount per day is approximately 15 Grams for every 50 lbs of bodyweight. Therefore, a 150 lb person would need to take 3 Tbsp of EFAs per day (at a ratio of 2:1 of Omega 3 to Omega 6).

137 posted on 11/19/2002 3:05:02 AM PST by JameRetief
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To: SamAdams76
And here's the kicker...no beer! NO BEER!

That's not true. Once you get past phase 1, you gradually bring back the carbs that you miss the most. GRADUALLY, like 5 grams a day for a week. After a while you can bring back your beer. I know, because I did it.

I got to the point that I could have 12 beers a night if I wanted to. (I kept my beer drinking to just the weekends when going out with my friends). I would have a steak before going out with my friends. I would still lose on average about 3 pounds per weekend.

In total, I lost 60 pounds in 3 months, and 105 pounds in less than a year, and kept it off for 12 years.

That is what is nice about the Atkins diet, you can taylor it to your own food wants. But you have to be aware that alcohol, sugars and starches will slow down the process.

But, it does work!

138 posted on 11/19/2002 3:20:00 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: enfield
Miller Lite -no carbs=More Beer!

You got it! 1.2 grams of carbs per bottle/can.

139 posted on 11/19/2002 3:23:39 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: arielb
I'm especially interested to see how this affects cancer. I would also like to know what happens once people get off the Atkin's diet and ate normally again. I would also like to know how it affects endurance. Will marathoners now switch to atkin's before their run instead of pasta?

you will gain weight back after going off any diet if you return to a junk food diet, full of starches and sugars.

Might surprise you but, I worked with body builders that used the Atkins diet, the only time they ate pasta/starch was JUST before a contest. To puff up the muscles. Afterwards, they went right back to the Atkins diet.

140 posted on 11/19/2002 3:28:20 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: WVNan
Interesting that this thread pops up on the day I bring my husband home from the hospital after he had a heart attack. I asked the heart doctor at Ohio State Univ. Hosp. about the Atkins diet. She looked at me and said, "Dr. Atkins died from a massive heart attack." She said the diet is a killer.

Wow! Someone better tell Dr. Atkins. Last I knew he was still alive! By the way, Dr. Atkins is a cardiologist. You should read his books/s. He pust most if not all his cardiac patients on the low carb diet.

141 posted on 11/19/2002 3:56:16 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: Paradox
My wife is on the Atkins diet. She lost 30 lbs (175-145) in 6 months, is keeping it off and has bread, pizza & pasta etc. very infrequently. She looks great, feels great, has done a tremendous amount of research on it.
142 posted on 11/19/2002 4:16:32 AM PST by PGalt
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To: lafroste
I once went through a light training program where I didn't change my diet very much at all but ended up losing a ton of weight and then gaining some of it back as muscle mass -- nothing special in terms of serious workouts, but just some constant activity during the summer months. Clearly this was simply a case of burning more calories than I consumed.
143 posted on 11/19/2002 5:23:06 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: JameRetief
When you cut down on carbs and eat protein and fat as per Atkins you get all the EFAs you need.
144 posted on 11/19/2002 5:24:16 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Ciexyz
She eats all the fats she wants (like mayo) but cuts out sugars incl. fruit which is high in sugar.

So how does one drink orange juice? The body needs vitamin C in the form of fresh squeezed juice.

145 posted on 11/19/2002 5:28:17 AM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: Ronzo
Also notice that the closer a land-animal is to being 100% carnivore, that they are actually quite thin & sleek? Cats are about about the closest to a 100% meat eater, yet I've never seen a wild cat of any species that was anything but lean & mean...
br>Race horses look awful thin and lean to me . In fact most horses do

Deer are exceptionally lean and their meat is prized as being low in fact and healthy to eat
Over millions of years of evolution animals probably evolve to every different kind of dietary creatures so no hard fast rule applies
147 posted on 11/19/2002 5:32:39 AM PST by uncbob
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To: realpatriot71
Let me describe it: it tastes like a Coors Light diluted with soda water @ about a 1:4 beer:water ratio.

Accurate description.

148 posted on 11/19/2002 5:35:45 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Paradox
My law partners and I (and one partner's wife) are all on this diet. Combined, the four of us have lost 145 pounds since last April. (I've lost 23 but I was the smallest to begin with.)
149 posted on 11/19/2002 5:36:47 AM PST by Mercat
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To: Dianna
I have a friend who is a veggie
He runs marathons 51 years old and is world class in his times for his age group
Looks great and is healthy
150 posted on 11/19/2002 5:37:00 AM PST by uncbob
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