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Atkins diet beats low-fat fare
MSNBC ^ | 11-18-02 | AP

Posted on 11/18/2002 5:32:27 PM PST by Paradox

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To: SamAdams76
By the way, on Atkins, I drink one, sometimes two Guiness stout a day and the occasional glass of wine. Guiness only has 5 carbs. And after the first two weeks, you don't have to keep it down to 20 carbs, I think it's under 50. After almost seven months, the smell of donuts makes me gag and I tasted my husband's microbrew the other day and it tasted nasty. I luv ma Guinness.
151 posted on 11/19/2002 5:39:08 AM PST by Mercat
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To: uncbob
Lets see
Those on a low fat diet cut out pies cakes potato chips nachos corn curls sticky buns danish french fries because of the fat content and eat a lot of greens etc. They also cut out the booze and beer if trying to lose weight. They eat protein in the form of lean meats and fish

Those on a low carb diet cut out pies cakes potato chips nachos corn curls sticky buns danish french fries because of the carb content and eat a lot of greens etc. They also cut out the booze and beer. They eat fish and meats but leave the fat on
152 posted on 11/19/2002 5:46:48 AM PST by uncbob
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To: SamAdams76
You can still have beer. You just need to be conscious of how many carbs are in a particular brand, and how many you are planning on consuming, and how that works into your daily allowance of carbs. For some reason, people seem to think that this diet means absolutely no carbs, but in fact, it is a reduced carbohydrate diet.

Lite Beer from Miller is fairly low carb, and I've seen ads lately for a low carb beer from Michelob (haven't tried it yet). Certainly these are not as tasty as, say, the beer that's the same as your screen name, but being on this diet doesn't mean that you can't have those beers, it's just not every day.

The other thing about this diet that people seem to misunderstand is that you don't have to go overboard on the fat. You can eat lean cuts of meat and poultry, and more fish, as well as other sources of protein. Just cut back on the carbs. It really works.

The book "Protein Power" has some very good information in it, especially on what happens to your cholesteral levels when you're on this type of a diet. I learned more than I ever wanted to know about cholesterol just from that one chapter.

153 posted on 11/19/2002 5:51:45 AM PST by Pablo64
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To: mamelukesabre
The chili I make has lots of black beans, kidney beans and pinto beans. There's lots of fat in there from the meat, and lots of protein from both the meat and the beans, but beans have carbs too.

If you use 93 percent lean meat, your chili recipe will meet Weight Watchers guidelines.

154 posted on 11/19/2002 6:03:06 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: Old Professer
No, Bryant Gumble still has to do the documentary.

If I had posted that on DU, I'd be real worried that someone would have belived me.

155 posted on 11/19/2002 6:05:16 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: fogarty
Moron. I road my mountain bike strenously 25km a day (STEEP HILLS) plus did between 30 and 60 MINUTES on my Nordic Track plus did 30 minutes of swimming laps EVERY DAY when I weighed 260 pounds. Lost maybe 1 or 2 pounds after a MONTH OF THAT!!!

Now I have osteoarthritis and can't exercise like that any more, went onto Atkins and lost 50 pounds in 5 months.

156 posted on 11/19/2002 6:42:02 AM PST by chilepepper
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To: uncbob
Not correct. I know many vegetarians and a number of them are fat. I suspect the WHOLE GRAIN vegetarians (again, less CARBS) stay thin.
157 posted on 11/19/2002 6:45:18 AM PST by chilepepper
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To: uncbob
"How about true vegetarians They shun eggs and any animal product like lard butter and meats They are almost all grain and vegetable plus nuts but DEFINITELY a low fat diet . So they eat breads, bananas fruits, fruit juice , veggies . To my understanding they are not fat overweight people "

Anybody going to comment on this ?

Since I'm a glutton for punishment, I'll speak what little I know about veggies. My niece is a vegetarian, pure. No milk/egg/cheese as some vegetarians allow themselves. I don't know if she does it for political purposes or not. I will say that she is quite healthy.

Now here's a couple of points about eating vegetables (which we all need to include in our diets). First, does anybody realize just how much broccoli one would need to consume to get just 1000 calories? So, suffice to say that vegetables aren't energy-dense. Now, granted, veggetarians do not consume just broccoli. They eat whole grains, fruits, and a variety of vegetables. I'm just using broccoli to illustrate a point.

Here's another consideration; a vegetarian diet makes it difficult to obtain adequate protein and calcium. It isn't impossible, but its more difficult and takes a more conscious effort. So, vegetarians, as a rule, are much more cognizant of what they eat when compared to the rest of us. Aside from athletes, nutritionists, and those who are dieting, who in the general population really pays that much attention to what they eat? Not too many of us. So, with this in mind, it stands to reason that a vegetarian will have a better grasp, in general, than most of us carniverous folks. They have to.

The third point I want to make is that many vegetarians are also athletically inclined. While few are bodybuilders, there are many that are runners, cyclists, and just general fitness-minded people. Like all fitness-minded folks, they tend to be in good physical shape. Just something to keep in mind.

My final point is that just because someone is thin does not mean they are healthy nor does it mean that their bodyfat percentage is low. I know a few people that are thin, but are also quite weak and frail. I'm not trying to stick this condition onto vegetarians; I'm simply pointing out that thin does not equal healthy. Now, a thin person is more likely to have low bodyfat and good cholestoral (sp?) numbers, but it certainly isn't a given. Many people are thin by nature.

These are just my comments from reading about vegans and from observing the few that I've known. In short, its a workable diet scheme, but you do have to work at maintaining certain nutrient levels, and it is more difficult to get adequate calorie intake without meat and animal-based foods. Plus, you don't get to enjoy prime rib and the like. :)

158 posted on 11/19/2002 7:01:55 AM PST by meyer
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To: SamAdams76
re:Consider life under the Atkins plan...you'll be ordering cheeseburgers without the buns and you'll have to practically cut out of your diet forever such staples as rice, pasta and breads.

There's locarb beer and I'm told it tastes pretty good. You'd have to try it...I detest beer anyway. Tastes like soap. As for bread, that's a hassle with a locarb life. What really helped was discovering "Irene's Gluten Bread" sold frozen in some health stores. Very good homemade-tasting bread, only 4 grams carbs per slice. If you crave a tater, take one and make it into a soup for everyone, and take a portion. Take a couple of fries off your kid's plates now and then. Desserts are, I'm afraid, out, except for truffles and creme brulee and chocolate tortes. You can have lots of delicious nuts--all the pistachios and macademias you like. First quality chocolate often has little sugar. I make cookies with almond flour and Valrhona chocolate that are very good.

It's worked. I'm staying in my size nine Guesses. I could go smaller, but I'm too old and then I'd look scrawny. Don't like scrawny old women. Women of a "certain age" need a bit of flesh to avoid that Nancy Pelosi look. I fought the battle of the Fifteen for years, and I don't DO "hungry." Locarb and regular exercise is not perfectly easy, but you don't go hungry.

159 posted on 11/19/2002 7:15:09 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: JameRetief
...Based on Udo's advice and his Oil Blend, I noticed a definite change for the better in my health after about 3 days. Over a few months, I lost about 50 lbs. It was simple, easy and almost effortless.

Well, I'm certainly not in the market to lose 50 pounds myself.

This is basically what I did:

Cut out as much as possible any processed oils.
Cut out all fried foods.
Consumed 3-5 Tbsp of Udo’s oil per day.
Cut out as much as possible any refined sugars.
Cut out sodas.
Reduced carbohydrates as much as possible.

Most of this is sound advice. Cutting out most refined-sugar products is essential. As well, processed oils are to be avoided. Pure oils are preferrable. Look also for polyunsaturated and monounsaturated oils. Avoid saturated oils. Avoid at all costs synthetic oils.

But the part I am a bit skeptical about is the consumption of 3-5 tablespoons of Udo's oil daily. What kind of oil is it? Flax seed? Olive oil? A blend? And how much "good" oil is already in your diet? He may be right, but two things come to mind: first, you should get a second opinion on how much EFA you need from somebody that doesn't sell it, and second, you can probably get the same stuff for less without his name on it. Just some observations.

Of course I ate less than I did before, but hunger wasn't an issue since I didn't want to eat as much. Unprocessed oils (like Udo's Oil Blend) are natural appetite suppressors. I was full sooner and remained satisfied longer. I never felt hungry while I was losing the weight.

Its good to see success, but again, you made a lot of diet changes so its hard to attribute your improvements to just the UDO oil. Perhaps all of the other changes were what helped you the most.

Do your health a favor and look into this. At least read the lecture. In addition to the weight management aspect, check out the other MAJOR health benefits the EFAs bring. Feel free to ask me about anything you might have a question about or if you want to know more about anything that I mentioned.

I will read up on it. I'm always a skeptic until things can be shown, so please don't take offense to my above comments. That comes from dealing with liberals my whole life and from having a handful of courses in the sciences. My take, and reading up further on this will help, is that while EFA's are necessary, the consumption of 2 or 3 servings of fish a week is sufficient to provide for good health. Of course a bit of supplemental oils won't hurt, but I don't know that a few tablespoons a day is necessary or productive.

160 posted on 11/19/2002 7:30:27 AM PST by meyer
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To: mamelukesabre
Don't know if you've gotten a lot of replies about beans, but you have to watch those legumes in the "losing" stage of locarb weight control. Don't drain the fat, put in a little more meat, maybe not quite so many beans. If you know you'll be eating some carbs, make sure there's also some fat and protein to keep from shooting your insulin up...and getting hungry! I also love chili. (No cornbread, I'm afraid).
161 posted on 11/19/2002 7:43:05 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: mamelukesabre
....and if that ain't fast enough for you, switch to sawdust, corn cobs, peanut shells, and pure distilled water!

I read today (The Times(UK)) that eating a kind of South African cactus was all the rage among dieters, it even suppresses the need for water.

162 posted on 11/19/2002 7:43:15 AM PST by Mid-MI Student
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To: Mercat
Guiness only has 5 carbs.

Where did you get that information from?
Guiness has about 120 calories (per pint), so maybe it has 5 different carbs totalling 30 grams.

163 posted on 11/19/2002 7:50:25 AM PST by Mid-MI Student
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To: Mid-MI Student
Don't forget, a gram of alcohol provides 7 Calories.
164 posted on 11/19/2002 8:16:55 AM PST by meyer
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To: Paradox
I've got the perfect diet. It's called moderation. As in, eat fats in moderation, eat sugars and high-density carbs in moderation. Eat smaller portions. There, the shortest diet book in history.
165 posted on 11/19/2002 8:22:18 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Alberta's Child
Be sure the exercise is before eating breakfast.
166 posted on 11/19/2002 8:23:33 AM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: meyer
A pint of guinness is 1.8 uk units, or 18 mills of alcohol, so 126 calories...

I guess it fits that it could only have five grams of carbs. surprising.

and it is also high in vitamin G.
167 posted on 11/19/2002 8:24:27 AM PST by Mid-MI Student
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To: chilepepper
Perhaps your case is unusual, but I can tell you for a fact that EXERCISE is the best way to become fitter and healthier - and the best way to lose weight, bar none. This is established over DECADES of research, not just on one or two studies. Notice I did not say FASTEST way to lose weight, because the fastest weight loss is not necessarily the best way to lose weight.

Here's a challenge for you: Go OFF the Atkins diet for 1 month. See how much weight you gain back.

However, if you start a dedicated exercise routine (one that you can maintain) for a year or longer, you will see 50 pounds can be lost over a year and you WILL NOT put on those 50 pounds again so quickly. Your cardiovascular system will be healthier, your immune system stronger, and your skeletal-muscular system improved many times over.

168 posted on 11/19/2002 8:58:17 AM PST by fogarty
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To: fogarty
Much depends on age, I believe, in your assertion. My own routine, four times/wk, involves a treadmill or strider to the tune of a mile and a half which burns (the machines claim) about 150 calories. Then some weights and stretching, just to tone and stave off the aches and pains of the pushing-fifty crowd.

In my twenties and thirties, this was plenty to keep my weight under perfect control. Didn't think anything about it, and had my occasional slice of chocolate layer cake.

Suddenly in my forties the weight happened, a pound or two a year. It was almost twenty pounds I had to lose. Tried several things, found that facing a life being always a little hungry was most discouraging. Add to that--I loved to cook and bake.

When I was thirty, I didn't know what all the fuss was about because it wasn't a problem.

169 posted on 11/19/2002 9:10:39 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: TEXASPROUD
Be sure the exercise is before eating breakfast.

Just curious... Why must the diet be before breakfast? Has it something to do with getting the metabolism activated for the day?

170 posted on 11/19/2002 9:20:38 AM PST by SaveTheChief
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To: Mamzelle
I agree, I guess forgot that some people may have conditions that preclude them for exercise (athritis, etc) But I still assert that exercise is the best way to lose weight and maintain a healthy body. Look at Jack Lalane, now over 80 years old.

We can't all be Jack Lalanes, but we can all exercise within our power. It all starts with getting off our butts and getting moving.

171 posted on 11/19/2002 9:26:06 AM PST by fogarty
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To: SaveTheChief
Just curious... Why must the (exercise) be before breakfast? Has it something to do with getting the metabolism activated for the day?

I think that the theory is that before your first meal, your blood glucose level is at its lowest so your body turns to glycogen stores in the muscles and liver, followed by the consumption of fat for energy. I am one of those people that "hits the wall" (hypoglycemic, I believe) rather quickly so I can't exercise very well without having eaten beforehand.

172 posted on 11/19/2002 9:29:54 AM PST by meyer
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To: meyer
I have to add, on the metabolism issue, there is a known lingering effect of after-exercise rise in metabolic rate, which if I'm not mistaken lasts for a few to several hours. I'm not sure that it matters when you exercise - the effect will occur regardless. I guess I should say that this is a good reason for not exercising within a couple of hours of going to sleep.
173 posted on 11/19/2002 9:32:35 AM PST by meyer
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To: meyer
ahh... Thank you very much for the explanation!
174 posted on 11/19/2002 9:37:56 AM PST by SaveTheChief
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To: mamelukesabre
You do get to subtract the fiber grams from the carbo grams to get a total carbo count, so if they have a lot of fiber and protein, they're not as bad as, say, bread or potatoes. I'm a vegetarian so it is very hard to follow this diet for me.
175 posted on 11/19/2002 9:38:14 AM PST by Inkie
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To: daler
Good luck to you on Atkins-it does work--go online and order the advantage chocolate bars-GREAT-also, locate a local atkins place-get the cheesecake-2.9 carbs and better than the other stuff.

Lizzie
176 posted on 11/19/2002 9:46:56 AM PST by bothsidesnow
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To: fogarty
I did this once when I went on a cruise and gained back about half of what I had lost.

Am still recovering from that, haven't matched my lowest yet (e.g. - weight about 240 now, all from Atkins. The problem with Atkins are the "plateaus". I was stuck for months on a plateau and couldn't seem to break it, have recently done so and have lost 6kg in the past 6 weeks...

177 posted on 11/19/2002 9:51:48 AM PST by chilepepper
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To: fogarty
I rode my mt.bike 125km a week for about five years and never dropped below 255#. I LIVED for mt.bike riding, still have a KLEIN Mantra, a Raleigh Technium and a Panasonic (!!) mt.bike which i miss like crazy. Since my hip is so bad now, I ride motorcycles instead... can't use my Nordic Track anymore either (once a week during those five years I'd do the Nordic Track for an HOUR straight -- a real trip and a real high which I also miss)
178 posted on 11/19/2002 9:56:10 AM PST by chilepepper
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To: SaveTheChief
If you do aerobic exercise before eating in the morning it enhances the effect of the exercise and you burn even more fat in the process.
179 posted on 11/19/2002 10:02:28 AM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: uncbob
Gotta be some vegetarians on this site
Can you give us some info

One of my old college roommates is a doctor. His first patient to die on him while in residency was an Indian emigrant in his thirties who had never eaten an ounce of meat in his life and who pretty much abstained from milk and eggs, too. The Indian died of massively clogged arteries.

The point is that a lot of this stuff is genetics. If you've been dealt a lucky hand you'll live a long time. If not, you're toast no matter what you eat. Most of the cholesterol is manufactured by the body rather than derived from foods containing cholesterol.

BTW, my friend is a firm believer in the Atkins diet. It works great for his patients. They lose weight faster, find it easier to stick to the diet, and their lipid profiles look great.

180 posted on 11/19/2002 10:51:35 AM PST by DallasMike
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To: chilepepper
I admit there are people and cases out there for which exercise is not a cure for weight issues, and I should have said that in my earlier posts. Like your case, evidently exercise is not practical with your hip condition. Perhaps you could do other exercise like water aerobics, or maybe weights for upper body workouts.
181 posted on 11/19/2002 10:57:55 AM PST by fogarty
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To: Route66
RE:Bloodwork does not lie and plenty of people have the lab tests to prove their success
 
I can attest to this. some 3 years ago I lost 80lbs in an amazingly short time (by basicly eliminating precessed sugar and white fluor) . no more blood suger problems, and more importantly no more high blood pressure. (it was so bad at one time that they almost didn't let me leave the office after a routine physical.)
Atkins is spot on.
182 posted on 11/19/2002 10:59:58 AM PST by tomakaze
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To: uncbob
RE:Vegatarians: To my understanding they are not fat overweight people
 
They also tend not to be very healthy or robust...
183 posted on 11/19/2002 11:01:30 AM PST by tomakaze
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To: Paradox
I was most skeptical about Atkins but I am a firm believer now, although I don't follow it exactly.

I took the food pyramid and lopped off the bottom. I eat dairy, meat, fish, lots of veggies, lots of fruit. No sweets, juices, colas, etc.

I lost about 15 lbs in the first month, then began exercising. I have only lost 20 total but I eat a lot and I only have about 10 more lbs to go anyway. Cholesterol is down, ratio is better, blood pressure down. And I eat plenty of bacon, cheese, burgers, eggs, etc.
184 posted on 11/19/2002 11:06:12 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: sinkspur
"If one gets the sugar (both obvious and hidden) out of the diet, one will lose weight."

Here's the thing I've never understood (been the same weight for 40 years with never "dieting").

Is it true or untrue if you take in fewer calories than you expend you will lose weight?

If you take in more calories than you expend you will gain weight?

I can understand the theory of blood sugar but at the end of the day if incoming = outgoing does it make any difference?

I'm not arguing mind you, I don't know the answer, but it just seems like an immutable law that if you burn more than you take in you'll burn stored calories (fat).

For instance if I eat 6,000 calories of meat but I only expend 3,000 calories I wouldn't gain weight?
185 posted on 11/19/2002 11:35:48 AM PST by Proud_texan
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To: Proud_texan
When you were younger, did it take more calories to put on pounds?

Clearly, how it is burned, under what conditions, have a lot to do with gaining weight. If youth is a factor, why not other things? It is a fact--you can eat more calories on this diet than other diets and lose weight more easily than on other diets.

A little butter on your broccoli will sure tame an appetite.

186 posted on 11/19/2002 12:01:05 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: meyer
...the part I am a bit skeptical about is the consumption of 3-5 tablespoons of Udo's oil daily. What kind of oil is it? Flax seed? Olive oil? A blend? And how much "good" oil is already in your diet? He may be right, but two things come to mind: first, you should get a second opinion on how much EFA you need from somebody that doesn't sell it, and second, you can probably get the same stuff for less without his name on it. Just some observations.

Dr. Erasmus has been the acknowledged expert in the field of oils and their affects on health for years (he has been studying oils for over two decades). He did not start marketing his own products until years after he was already a well respected expert in the field. He was dissatisfied with the way manufacturers were preparing EFAs for consumption and developed new methods and technologies for oil manufacturers.

There are definitely other suppliers of EFA oils, but Udo's Oil Blend is unique in it's ratios of oils and in the care taken during preparation. The oils that are blended are flax, sunflower, evening primrose, and a few other lesser oils. It is possible to buy other oils, but you would have to measure and mix the oils to maintain the ratio of 2 parts Omega 3 to 1 part Omega 6. Additionally, it can be hard to determine how the other oil suppliers prepare their oils. Because of the delicate nature of EFAs it is necessary to package them in a safe environment free of heat, light and oxygen. With Udo's oil, there is no doubt about the care being taken during preparation.

When I first came across the information by Udo I was extremely skeptical but as I was reading his book I realized that Erasmus knows his stuff. The more that I read both from his book and from other sources that confirmed what he had written the more I become convinced in trying an EFA oil supplementation in my diet. Before I read Udo's book, I was taking a softgel EFA supplement and ate fish frequently. I thought that I was getting an adequate amount of EFA in my diet. I was very wrong.

you made a lot of diet changes so its hard to attribute your improvements to just the UDO oil. Perhaps all of the other changes were what helped you the most.

Everything I did contributed to my betterment, no doubt about that, but the oils made the difference. I have dieted several times before using the same diet regimen, without the oil blend. I did get results, but they were slower and I didn't feel anywhere near as well as I did when my diet included the oils.

Additionally, my roommate (who was not dieting) also took the oil supplement. He too noticed a definite improvement in his health after just a few days, and just like myself he was skeptical of the product before using it.

Something else that I didn't mention earlier was my overall health and general well being. Prior to using EFAs in my diet I would get minor head colds/sore throat/general stuffiness every few weeks (a result of being around second hand smoke too often). After I started taking the oils I haven't so much as had a runny nose, and my energy levels went through the roof and have stayed there. My roommate has also noticed a similar effect in his health.

I will read up on it. I'm always a skeptic until things can be shown, so please don't take offense to my above comments.

Trust me, no offense taken. I was very skeptical of the benfits of taking the EFA supplements. The results from my small study of myself and my roommate have convinced me of the efficacy of EFAs in the quantities Udo recommends.

My take, and reading up further on this will help, is that while EFA's are necessary, the consumption of 2 or 3 servings of fish a week is sufficient to provide for good health. Of course a bit of supplemental oils won't hurt, but I don't know that a few tablespoons a day is necessary or productive.

The reason we need so much EFA in our diets is because of how much of it our body uses for building and maintaining itself. EFAs are needed and used in every cell, joint, organ, and tissue in our bodies. Any EFAs in your diet are better than none, but it is better to keep the body well supplied with them.

The indicator that Udo uses for gauging how much oil we need is our skin quality since our skin is the very last part of our body that gets supplied with EFAs. If you are getting enough EFAs in your diet, your skin will be soft, smooth, and velvety. Dry skin indicates a definite deficiency.

I never realized how dry my skin was until after I started taking Udo's oil blend. It took my skin about 4 or 5 days before I noticed the difference but it was remarkable when it did change. In addition, it also cleared up my chronic acne on my back. That was a major benefit for me.

If I slack off on taking my oil for a few days I notice the change. My energy levels will start declining and my skin tone will change. Like I've said, the differences are noticeable and well worth it.

187 posted on 11/19/2002 1:06:19 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
Interesting. I'll do some reading. Thanks.
188 posted on 11/19/2002 1:11:03 PM PST by meyer
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To: Pharmboy
When you cut down on carbs and eat protein and fat as per Atkins you get all the EFAs you need.

Even Atkins' diet is sorely lacking in EFAs. Our bodies need a significant amount of EFAs for a lot of different functions. To start with, our bodies use EFAs in ever single cell, joint, tissue, organ, etc. They are a major nutrients and about 90-95 percent of people do not get adequate amounts of EFAs in their diets.

189 posted on 11/19/2002 1:14:12 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: LurkerNoMore!
True - using "ADkins'" drives me crazy!
190 posted on 11/19/2002 1:21:06 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: JameRetief
You need to back up what you are saying with some data. Beliefs don't count. Data. Info. Facts.
191 posted on 11/19/2002 1:43:16 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
You need to back up what you are saying with some data. Beliefs don't count. Data. Info. Facts.

My original post cites the book Fats That Heal Fats That Kill. There are other sources besides that one, but it is well documented with references. Data. Info. Facts. They are there. Read them.

192 posted on 11/19/2002 1:51:06 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: JameRetief
Nope. Science please, not beliefs. Doesn't work.
193 posted on 11/19/2002 2:14:18 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
Are you dense? The book cites the scientific data to support what I am telling you. Jeez Louise. Buy a clue.
194 posted on 11/19/2002 2:26:46 PM PST by JameRetief
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To: uncbob
"That's what pigs are raised for not lard Lard maybe a by product but try raising pigs that are 90% lard and see how many you sell"

That is true today, but before the advent of hydrogenated vegetable oil, such was not the case. Look at a picture of today's pigs vs. pigs from 75 -100 years ago. Today's pigs are mostly lean meat---"yesterday's" pigs were a MUCH higher percentage of fat--BECAUSE IT WAS A VALUABLE PRODUCT--not a "byproduct" at all.

195 posted on 11/19/2002 3:20:58 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: JameRetief
It is stringing facts along and arriving at a truth. Problem is, in science you must design experiments with which to test your hypotheses. You cannot figure stuff out merely with logic--you must test.
196 posted on 11/19/2002 5:22:30 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Wonder Warthog
Today's pigs are mostly lean meat---"yesterday's" pigs were a MUCH higher percentage of fat--BECAUSE IT WAS A VALUABLE PRODUCT--not a "byproduct" at all.

Point is todays pigs didn't get lean by eating eggs and fats

Original psot was making the point pigs got fat by eating carbs

So how are they staying lean

Besides animals are differnt than humans
Never saw a human that could eat grass and hay
197 posted on 11/19/2002 8:34:09 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Proud_texan
Good question, Proud_texan. Another related one is "what percent of what foods do you actually absorb when you eat them?" Is it possible to consume 5000 calories/day, burn 3000/day but not gain weight because you are simply not absorbing the other 2000?
198 posted on 11/20/2002 7:26:14 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: SamAdams76
good point Sam (of course what is beer, when youre boycotting your namesake)

I dont see it as a sustainable diet. I was on a low fat low carb, low protien diet about 10 years ago - all fine and dandy - I lost 40# - but it wasnt sustainable - though the lasting effect to this day is I can eat any roughage, cabbage, apples - etc with no ill effects (if you know what I mean)- to the adkins I say - everything in moderation and excersize daily (at least walk)

199 posted on 11/20/2002 7:37:32 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Pharmboy
The book is based upon the existing research that has been done on EFAs. Udo brings together the many conclusions that science has made and presents it in a single source for easy reference and in terms that a layman can easily understand. That is the basis of his work with oils.

Something not in the book that you might be interested in is the Danish Athlete Study which was done to see the effects of Udo's Oil Blend on athletic performance, general well being and cardiovascular risk factors.

The highlights of the study can be found here.

200 posted on 11/20/2002 2:09:53 PM PST by JameRetief
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