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Atkins diet beats low-fat fare
MSNBC ^ | 11-18-02 | AP

Posted on 11/18/2002 5:32:27 PM PST by Paradox

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To: daler
Congrats, it's going to be very easy to stick to, and the weight will just fall off, for the first couple of months especially. Just don't do like I did, which was to flip out after a successful year and a half and start eating sugar again (long story, won't bore you with it). Because it's MUCH harder to get into ketosis again after you repent of your backsliding, as I did. Fortunately though, I'm nearly back where I was before I reacquainted myself with the local Krispy Kreme...
51 posted on 11/18/2002 6:25:55 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: daler
I'm a newbie (started Atkins two weeks ago). I weighed 257 on Election Day, and am now at 240.

Hang in there, dude. It gets easier after a while.

One of the most important aspects of the Atkins' diet is exercise. Joint a gym! Work out with weights 3 times a week. It made a big difference in my metabolism.

I did the Atkins' rigorous diet 3 years ago, then I started incorporating carbos at a moderate rate. I'm still skinny as a toothpick ;-)

Actually, the extra protein from Atkins's diet and the moderate gym workout have given me a nice, healthy body. Once you realize you can change that old look for good, you will be glad to ditch sugar from your diet

There are several things that I quit eating on a regular basis, such as sugar and white flour products.

I eat with moderation fruits and whole grain breads, and I drink wine a few times a week.

I eat a lot of vegetables and meat, and of course, my eggs for breakfast.

All my bloodwork comes out fine all the time, I have a lot of energy and I'm seldom hungry.

52 posted on 11/18/2002 6:26:46 PM PST by LO_IQ
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To: Mr. Mulliner
Yeah, I heard of it..........just never cared about the details. Didn't need diets.
53 posted on 11/18/2002 6:29:32 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: meyer
Another Atkins testemonial here:

On March 11th 2002, I weighed in at 250 lbs.

Today, (11-18-02) I weigh 181 lbs.

The diet is easy, I eat plenty and never go hungry or feel deprived.

I have more energy, need only 6 hrs. sleep per night instead of the 8-9 I needed before, my Blood Pressure, Heart Rate and Bad Cholestorol levels are all way down as well.
54 posted on 11/18/2002 6:29:34 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield
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To: Paradox
I started Atkins after reading a thread here a few months ago about it. I've gone from 197 to 165 lbs. It was easy. The only thing I had a problem with was (and is) a lack of good stuff to drink.
55 posted on 11/18/2002 6:29:44 PM PST by Salo
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To: cmsgop
Hemorroids happen to some people on the Atkis Diet....

They also happen to people NOT on the Atkins diet.

I got them from doing heavy squats with weights in my 30s. Had to have surgery. It takes two weeks before you can drive after hemorrhoid surgery, even the laser version.

56 posted on 11/18/2002 6:29:49 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: grimalkin
Add me and my entire family to the list of low carbohydrate dieters. I agree with you entire list of benefits from eating this way - and then some.
The bashers of this diet will descend upon this thread shortly. I've seen it happen time and time again. It's just not worth trying to tell people who are so sure they are right.
It saved my life and restored my health. That's all I know. I will never eat any other way. I suggest anyone who is interested to seriously look into it....not just to lose weight, but for the health benefits.
57 posted on 11/18/2002 6:32:24 PM PST by Route66
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To: cmsgop
'Roids would come from not enough water, which is a no-no in a high protein diet.
58 posted on 11/18/2002 6:33:42 PM PST by habs4ever
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To: meyer
"...Hey, Alcohol has calories also. It is energy. I'm not quite sure of the metabolism mechanism with it, but an overabundance of alcohol will help make you fat....

I shoulda known a technician would show up. You're right. Alcohol still means calories; in fact Atkins' diet books talk about alcohol being a "slow down factor" in weight loss, actually having more impact on metabolism mechanisms than calories would have.

That said, a scotch or two has less carbohydrates than an equivalent amount of beer.

59 posted on 11/18/2002 6:37:07 PM PST by Victor
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To: arielb
I would also like to know how it affects endurance.

I'm a die-hard Atkins fan who lost 70 lbs in eight months on it. Before I started it I tried exercising to lose weight, swimming. I swam five times a week at lunch hour instead of lunch. Before Atkins, and after three months of the swimming regimen, I gained a half a pound, and had gone from struggling to swim 200 yards, to struggling to swim 300 yards. Once I seriously started Atkins, I went from struggling to swim 300 yards to struggling to swim 2,000 yards (that's more than a mile) in six weeks.

Cholesterol cratered, BP cratered, waistline cratered - my doctor thought his office scale was broken at first. Fantastic results!

To the poster that said "moderation is the key" - Wrong! No moderation for carbs, "cutting down" doesn't cut it, at least for me. Carbs required eradication before the benefits kicked in.

60 posted on 11/18/2002 6:40:00 PM PST by lafroste
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To: hellinahandcart
If you tried substituting some grapes or berries to get the sugar you want, and then noticing if you still have a craving for a donut?
61 posted on 11/18/2002 6:42:46 PM PST by habs4ever
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To: Route66
Having lost 40 pounds this past summer, while drinking lite beer and merlot, I think every fatty should try Atkins.
It is wise to monitor your cholesterol. Mine went up 3 points. Some will spike severely. High cholesterol is the only reason I can see NOT to do Atkins. Im a believer.
62 posted on 11/18/2002 6:43:30 PM PST by latrans
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To: LO_IQ
Hang in there, dude. It gets easier after a while.

One of the most important aspects of the Atkins' diet is exercise. Joint a gym! Work out with weights 3 times a week. It made a big difference in my metabolism.

Good advice whether dieting or not. I get about 2 workouts a week in, along with 4 or 5 brisk walks. A lot of this depends on how much yard work and such I am doing, as well as my work hours. 12 hour days do not make for good workout/sleep habits, but they still allow a good walk.

I did the Atkins' rigorous diet 3 years ago, then I started incorporating carbos at a moderate rate. I'm still skinny as a toothpick ;-)

Actually, the extra protein from Atkins's diet and the moderate gym workout have given me a nice, healthy body. Once you realize you can change that old look for good, you will be glad to ditch sugar from your diet

Simple sugars are probably the worst thing for your health. While fat has been demonized by the globalists, the simple sugars present a very fast route to increasing bodyfat as well. They pack a ton of calories in a little package, require little digestive effort, flood your bloodstream with glucose, and have a great influence on you sugar/insulin balance. Not healthy in any great quantity. Eat candy in great moderation.

There are several things that I quit eating on a regular basis, such as sugar and white flour products.

Absolutely a good move. I always try to remember that two candy bars or a candy bar and a coke a day equals nearly a pound a week.

I eat with moderation fruits and whole grain breads, and I drink wine a few times a week.

Don't worry that much about the fruits. You'd have to eat 3 apples to equal the caloric value of the typical candy bar. Plus, they provide some good vitamins and fiber. I recall the old book saying 2-4 servings a day of fruits. As for the bread, I've grown to really like a good heavy full-grain bread such as Brownberry's Wheat or Cobblestone Mills' 9 grain. Both are breakfast staples for me.

I eat a lot of vegetables and meat, and of course, my eggs for breakfast.

I have been fortunate in that I've never needed to really diet - yes, I'm just beginning the process of reversing the effects of quitting smoking last January, but I'm only talking about 20 pounds. As a result, I don't have any first hand knowledge of the Atkins' diet, but everybody I know that tried it swears that it works. The hardest part might be making the transition from weight loss to maintenance.

All my bloodwork comes out fine all the time, I have a lot of energy and I'm seldom hungry.

That's good to hear. I always think of cholesterol when I think of Atkins, yet it doesn't seem to be as much of a problem as one would think. Perhaps the exercise plays a bigger role.

63 posted on 11/18/2002 6:43:45 PM PST by meyer
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To: RightOnline
For those of us stuck in a time warp (or previously just didn't give a damn), in a nutshell: what is the Adkins diet?

That's Atkins diet. It's named for the guitarist Chet Atkins. When he was starting out on the honky-tonk circuit, he noticed he'd lose weight while travelling through central Kentucky-- which is known for its greasy french fries. He came to realize that those french fries were an extraordinarily effective diet food.

He developed a diet of french fries five times per day -- breakfast, lunch, supper, dinner and before bed snack.

The trick was that all you eat were the fries, and all you could drink was Schwepps club soda. For some reason, he insisted that the brand be Schwepps -- an unfortunate fact that caused him to lose credibility during the Congressional hearings.

To add variety, Chet doctored his "fries" up. He'd put ketchup on 'em in the morning, Cheese Whiz at supper, and chocolate syrup when he had a yen for something sweet.

It was a great success.

The corporate powers that be, however, -- with the notable exception of the potato industry -- soon spread stories about the unhealthiness of eating five servings of french fries a day. The Congressional hearings were pretty much the final nail in the coffin. Chet had to go back to his music.

I'm glad you asked.

64 posted on 11/18/2002 6:43:49 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Alberta's Child
Losing weight is simple -- just burn off more calories than you consume.

You presume that every one operates in essentially the same way. That is simply not true. I can tell you from experience that I was one fatso that ate like a bird for years without losing any weight. The primary thrust of Atkins tis that some people do have much different metabolic function. I beleive that most chronically obese people would benefit from Atkins, but that the diet is wrong for those who just want to lose a few pounds or get back to their early twenties weight. In my case I am 60 pounds lighter now (in my mid forties) than I was at 19.

65 posted on 11/18/2002 6:45:18 PM PST by lafroste
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To: mamelukesabre
If you want to lose even faster, cut out the fat and just eat protein.

You will loose alright MUSCLE. You have to eat fat to be on Atkins

66 posted on 11/18/2002 6:46:07 PM PST by Katie_Colic
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To: habs4ever
'Roids would come from not enough water, which is a no-no in a high protein diet.

Well That Explains it, I never Drink Enough Water. It was Awful I tell You......(hehe)
67 posted on 11/18/2002 6:48:42 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: sinkspur
I don't do Squats anymore unless Im Camping......:*)
68 posted on 11/18/2002 6:49:35 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: habs4ever
Some fruit is allowed on maintenance Strawberries and grapes particularly. It wasn't the diet. My problem was psychological. Let's just say I got very self-destructive over the summer.

It wasn't a question of ONE doughnut, it was a three-month white-flour-and-sugar feeding frenzy, with predictable results.

I have recovered. Turned out all I really needed to do was dump my fiance ;D.

Weight's back down, and life is looking up!
69 posted on 11/18/2002 6:50:28 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: lafroste
Oh, you're right. I just meant that consuming 3,000 "fat" calories is no better for you than consuming 3,000 "carb" calories, unless you can burn off 3,001 calories or more.

I think the advantage of Atkins is that it kind of "preps" your body for weight loss by increasing your metabolism, reducing cravings, etc. But in the long run the result is the same -- burning more calories than you consume.

70 posted on 11/18/2002 6:51:57 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: cmsgop
I don't do Squats anymore unless Im Camping......:*)

Its probably a good idea for you to maintain some squatting exercise capability. You would not want to get stuck at the bottom doing a camping squat and require a "spotter".

71 posted on 11/18/2002 6:52:52 PM PST by meyer
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To: meyer
Each body is unique, so we have to "play by ears" to find out how many carbs we can incorporate into our diets before starting gaining weight again.

Most people will benefit from two of Atkins' principles:

1. Dump sugar (meaning read the labels to find out that sugar is ubiquitous in our processed food)

2. Exercise in moderation. (I have never spent more than 4 hours a week at the gym)

72 posted on 11/18/2002 6:54:43 PM PST by LO_IQ
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To: latrans
Sometimes cholesterol will spike and almost always it's a short term thing. Three points, by the way, is statistically insignificant. What's really important is your good to bad cholestrol ratio and I have yet to meet someone who followed the diet properly that did not wind up with a great ratio.

Another thing is that your triglicerides will really come down on this diet and many studies show that elevated triglicerides may be even more important in determining heart disease risk than total cholesterol.
73 posted on 11/18/2002 6:57:29 PM PST by Route66
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To: Paradox
Pounds aren't everything. Although it is important to lose weight if obese, an over-reliance on fatty meats will take a long-term toll on these individual, as their risk of colon and (in men) prostate cancer increases significantly, according to studies. It is foolhardy to make meats such an intensive part of one's diet.

I agree carbs are bad, mainly because they are processed, and the human body is not designed to process them. But I know many Atkins afficianados who suck down the meats while avoiding vegetables, as well as barbs...recipe for long-term health disaster.

74 posted on 11/18/2002 7:00:08 PM PST by montag813
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To: meyer
Its probably a good idea for you to maintain some squatting exercise capability. You would not want to get stuck at the bottom doing a camping squat and require a "spotter".

True , but thats why I got Married..........:*)
75 posted on 11/18/2002 7:01:27 PM PST by cmsgop
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To: Alberta's Child
Oh, you're right. I just meant that consuming 3,000 "fat" calories is no better for you than consuming 3,000 "carb" calories, unless you can burn off 3,001 calories or more.

I agree in general. The calorie in/calorie out equation is the most reliable in predicting weight gain/loss. But there are some additional factors in play. First, it is much easier to digest, for example, simple sugars as compared to complex carbs. They end up in the bloodstream relatively unchanged. Fats flow a bit slower through the tube as well when compared to sugars. Plus, fat does tend to maintain a feeling of fullness longer than carb-based foods and especially sugars do.

There is also little energy expended when the body converts excess glucose to fat. It is comparatively more energy-intense when fat is converted to be used as energy. These are probably not huge differences, but they are important.

I think the advantage of Atkins is that it kind of "preps" your body for weight loss by increasing your metabolism, reducing cravings, etc. But in the long run the result is the same -- burning more calories than you consume.

I don't know that much about ketosis, but it seems that you may be metabolically "higher" when in the state of ketosis as compared to being in a normal carb-rich state.

76 posted on 11/18/2002 7:01:49 PM PST by meyer
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To: LO_IQ
Each body is unique, so we have to "play by ears" to find out how many carbs we can incorporate into our diets before starting gaining weight again.

Most people will benefit from two of Atkins' principles:

1. Dump sugar (meaning read the labels to find out that sugar is ubiquitous in our processed food)

2. Exercise in moderation. (I have never spent more than 4 hours a week at the gym)

Yes, those two principles alone are sage advice. Sugars are truly deserving of the title of "junk food". Yeah, they taste great. And they have their uses (picture a marathon runner nearing the proverbial "wall".). But one should go beyond moderation with sugar and shoot for "very seldom" in their diet.

I took up exercise 13 years ago, ironically, to gain weight. I was underweight and not as strong as I wanted to be so I took up lifting weights and eating everything in sight. I still do both, though in a much more moderated manner. :^) Exercise is paramount regardless of ones' diet. IMHO, of course.

77 posted on 11/18/2002 7:07:30 PM PST by meyer
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To: Paradox
Thirty two years ago, I stepped on the baggage scale in Da Nang and weighed 185 in fatigues and combat boots. By March of '71 I was at 228.

Fast forward to Oct, 2001. At 315 I was diagnosed with a pituitary tumor. After starting treatment for the benign tumor, I started the Atkins diet in Jan, 2002. I now weigh 222 and haven't felt this good in 25 years.

Its a great trip and I'm looking forward to 180.
78 posted on 11/18/2002 7:09:17 PM PST by T Wayne
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To: montag813
The Atkins diet includes lots of veggies.

The Myth that it's all bacon and fat and such is exactly that, a myth.
79 posted on 11/18/2002 7:09:25 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield
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To: cmsgop
True , but thats why I got Married..........:*)

Just make sure that you choose your location carefully - other campers may be more than willing to give you a boost.

80 posted on 11/18/2002 7:12:51 PM PST by meyer
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To: Paradox
I did an Atkins like diet a few years back, Protein Power. I lost 55 lbs. It's not what you add to your diet, it's what you cut out. I cut out carbs and did not add any more fat than I was already eating. It worked for me. I also added a potassium and calcium supplement other vitamins to compensate for the way I was eating. I also started exersizing moderately.
81 posted on 11/18/2002 7:15:46 PM PST by socal_parrot
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To: Victor
That said, a scotch or two has less carbohydrates than an equivalent amount of beer.

Hey, I like 'em both, though not at a single setting (usually). Nevertheless, I was pointing out that alcohol itself, while not considered a protein, fat, or carbohydrate by the food folks is a source of calories. Pure grain alcohol, with none of the "big 3" still packs in a good amount of calories. In my little nutrition text, it lists 80 proof gin as having 97 calories, and zero fat, protein, and carbohydrates. The only point I was making was that alcohol is calorie-intense.

Still, a scotch or two isn't a big deal (nor is a beer or two). Plus, when you factor in the benefits that a single malt has on the soul, you have to favor a couple of scotches here and there. :^)

82 posted on 11/18/2002 7:22:45 PM PST by meyer
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
The Atkins diet includes lots of veggies.

The Myth that it's all bacon and fat and such is exactly that, a myth.

True. I eat more vegetables now than I ever have before. I eat 4-5 cups of all sorts of greens every day.

83 posted on 11/18/2002 7:23:40 PM PST by grimalkin
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To: meyer
Somersize is a by product of Atkins and you can have carbs just not at the same meal. No sugar, no process. It is a balance low carb diet.

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I did Atkins years ago and it is excellant, but can get boring, this is based on the Atkins and and food combinding. It almost Utopia!

84 posted on 11/18/2002 7:26:47 PM PST by restornu
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To: grimalkin
I've become addicted to Cobb Salads
85 posted on 11/18/2002 7:27:04 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield
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To: Paradox
Check out the Schwarzbein diet, it's a little more
reasonable and just as effective, if not more so,
than atkins. No I didn't make it up.
My wife is using it.
86 posted on 11/18/2002 7:27:56 PM PST by ottersnot
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To: sinkspur
What do farmers feed pigs? Grain, and CARBOHYDRATES!

And pigs have plenty of protein as their body compostion
They are raised for their protein not their fat content
87 posted on 11/18/2002 7:35:16 PM PST by uncbob
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To: RightOnline
It's a diabolical plot by the cattlemen's association.
88 posted on 11/18/2002 7:38:05 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: SamAdams76
How appropriate you would complain about the loss of beer consumption. But Anheuser Busch has a new, low carb beer for those Adkinsers to enjoy. Well, enjoy is not a word usually associated with AB pilsner, but maybe it reminds one of what beer might taste like.
89 posted on 11/18/2002 7:38:48 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: cmsgop
Hey Sam they have that Low Carb Beer Now. I can't remember but it was like 5 carbs a Brew.

Budwater!!

90 posted on 11/18/2002 7:40:46 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: SamAdams76
My husband lost 35 pounds on this diet since beginning of August - and has not complained of being hungry- the main reason he quit most diets for years- looks Great! I for one amd following it mildly with my usual exercise as well and I am slowly whittling down- I drink Michelob Ultra now - only 2.6 Carbs versus 12-16 in most beers- gotta have beer and it is pretty good when it is cold and in a frosty mug- no carbs in white wine- my cholesterol has always been high so we are waiting to see if it comes down after only slowly budging after years. With all the obese people running around- there will be more low carb products on the market and the taste will improve as the demand grows- maybe carbless beer will appear!!!!!
91 posted on 11/18/2002 7:41:41 PM PST by newzhawk
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To: LO_IQ
One of the most important aspects of the Atkins' diet is exercise. Joint a gym! Work out with weights 3 times a week. It made a big difference in my metabolism.

That's the most important aspect of ANY DIET
92 posted on 11/18/2002 7:41:44 PM PST by uncbob
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To: ottersnot
Interesting that this thread pops up on the day I bring my husband home from the hospital after he had a heart attack. I asked the heart doctor at Ohio State Univ. Hosp. about the Atkins diet. She looked at me and said, "Dr. Atkins died from a massive heart attack." She said the diet is a killer. I don't doubt the word of those who say they have lost weight using it. My son and his wife have been using it and they have lost some weight. But I guess I had better stick with the moderation in everything for my hubby. I'm going to cut my carbs because I eat too many of them. I will also be exercising twice a week with my hubby as he does his heart rehab work.
93 posted on 11/18/2002 7:44:33 PM PST by WVNan
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To: SamAdams76
Consider life under the Atkins plan...you'll be ordering cheeseburgers without the buns and you'll have to practically cut out of your diet forever such staples as rice, pasta and breads. And here's the kicker...no beer! NO BEER!

There are special bread machine mixes you can buy that only have only about 3 grams of carbs per slice. Also Miller Lite has only about 3 grams of carbs per bottle. It's not perfect, but it beats starving yourself which is the only other way to lose weight, and just trains your body to store fat.

94 posted on 11/18/2002 7:44:56 PM PST by Hugin
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To: uncbob
You ever heard of lard?
95 posted on 11/18/2002 7:45:33 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Paradox
Diets are for those who are too undisciplined and who lack the willpower to EXERCISE. That includes the Atkins diet.
96 posted on 11/18/2002 7:47:57 PM PST by fogarty
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To: mamelukesabre
You ever heard of lard?

Ever heard of ham, pork, etc

That's what pigs are raised for not lard
Lard maybe a by product but try raising pigs that are 90% lard and see how many you sell
97 posted on 11/18/2002 7:49:13 PM PST by uncbob
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To: fogarty
Diets are for those who are too undisciplined and who lack the willpower to EXERCISE. That includes the Atkins diet.

I'll buy that
98 posted on 11/18/2002 7:50:46 PM PST by uncbob
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To: WVNan
"Dr. Atkins died from a massive heart attack."

Utter BS

Dr. Atkins is alive and 71 years old.
99 posted on 11/18/2002 7:51:50 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield
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To: WVNan
"Dr. Atkins died from a massive
heart attack."
>>>>>>>>>

The nurse was wrong. Dr Atkins is very much alive. He did have a heart problem which his own Doctor confirmed publically was caused by a bug he picked up overseas which affected his heart. Do some homework on the diet and why it works. Bloodwork does not lie and plenty of people have the lab tests to prove their success. I won't try to convince you, but there is a lot of information on the internet and you can make up your own mind.
100 posted on 11/18/2002 7:54:50 PM PST by Route66
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