Skip to comments.Top cops aided plot to acquire AK-47s: seizure of 1,500 machine guns, Yak-B "aircraft cannon"
Posted on 11/19/2002 7:50:04 AM PST by rfaceEdited on 05/11/2004 5:34:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Federal agents raided the Lincoln County property of James Carmi in October 2000 and seized a stockpile of 800 machine guns.
The event, which remained undisclosed to the public for two years, has spurred a massive investigation into how Carmi - a convicted felon - could get a federal firearms permit from the U.S. Treasury's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and then acquire so many strictly controlled weapons.
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This guy lived in Elsberry up Hiway 79 where I misspent part of my youth. Sounds like he had a pretty good scam going, but where did the guns go? HUMMMMM???
To me, this is the biggest surprise in the article. Who knew that NASA needs machine guns? Are they mounting them on space probes for defense against alien ships...LOL...
A couple of years ago I was mighty suprised to see a big, burly, "NASA" employee brandishing a MP-5 at the boarding station for the bus tours. It was the first time I'd seen security personnel armed with automatic weapons since passing through the Brussels, Belgium train station some 25 years ago.
Good point! The implication here is the increase of gun-control over the average Joe. See the quote below:
Doug Dawson, a spokesman for ATF, said the agency does not have the authority to control the weapons a police department uses. "How are we to know if it's an Andy Griffith department or it's a large department? Nowhere in the law does it say it's up to the ATF to scrutinize these requests."
He added that Congress may need to revisit the 1986 law that banned the weapons and established a system for regulating their importation, possession and sales.
I will e-mail the reporter and ask.
Your guess is as good as mine. I didn't bother to ask him who his employer was. I was just suprised to see him there.
The only real crime these men committed was getting the license fraudulently and bribing cops. Even so, the press turns this into a terrifying "gun" crime, when this kind of government graft and fraud happens everywhere all the time.
Don't forget, all this hanky-panky happened during the klinton administration. At the same time, BATF put 90% of legitimate FFL holders out of business. They claimed they "didn't have enough manpower" to check them all out.
My guess is that this is timed to pressure Bush into going along with more restrictions on honest gun owners, and prevent the sunset of the "assault weapons" law.
When it was the BATF that apparently issued a machine gun dealers license to a convicted felon? Seems to me this case is great evidence for the futility of trying to keep guns out of the hands of criminals by infringing upon the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Such restrictions, as was known by Thomas Jefferson, only restrict the law abiding, the criminals don't care about breaking one more law.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms
disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater
confidence than an armed man." Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment (1764).
Like his 100,000 new "police officers"? Remember all those bozos, bozoettes, and other assorted clowns at the Elian seizure? I wonder how closely monitored those firearms are now? Part of a plot to create and blame "right wing militia groups" for the terrorist activites he was studiously avoiding to address? Regardless, I would rather firearms in the hands of right wingers than leftists and their terrorists compatriots anyday.
Sounds like they're going to go after private sales pretty soon.
I was free diving there as SCUBA was not allowed alledgedly as the noise and bubbles scares the poor little fishy's .
SEAL team tactics, gear and bravado (albeit wannabes) in a RHIB boat with M240G's mounted........ etc etc ! The Clown Fish was the only one laughing as I remember it.
Stay Safe !
What this guy would do is bribe a CLEO to sign a letter stating that his department wanted 20 or so Russian AK47s. Such a letter is required to transfer a post-sample MG or to import an MG from abroad. The dealer would include the letter with the Form 6 Import permit. All the imported guns were then registered. The only practical way for the dealer to sell the MGs illegally would be to claim that they were stolen. This would get ATF's attention.
He was probably going to cut them up to sell as spare parts kits for around $150.
Well we all know how seriously the 1999/2000 chief law enforcement officer of the United States took perjury.