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BREAKING: WELLSTONE AUTOPSEY SHOWS SENATOR DIED FROM PLANE'S IMPACT
AP ^ | 11/21/02

Posted on 11/21/2002 10:14:09 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar

By Associated Press


November 21, 2002, 10:19 AM EST

ST. PAUL, Minn. --

Sen. Paul Wellstone died from the impact when his plane crashed last month, not from the fire that engulfed it afterward, a medical examiner said.

Dr. Thomas Uncini, St. Louis County's chief medical examiner, listed the cause of death for Wellstone and the seven others on board the small plane as "traumatic injury due to, or as a consequence of, an aviation crash with fire," the Pioneer Press reported Thursday.

The determination took several weeks because the bodies were severely burned in the Oct. 25 crash, Uncini said. He filed the death certificates Monday.

Uncini concluded that all the victims died from the impact based on blood analyses that found no carbon monoxide in the pilots' blood, meaning they died before they could inhale any smoke. The tests were conducted by a Federal Aviation Administration laboratory in Oklahoma City.

Earlier examinations of the plane's two pilots found no medical conditions such as heart attack or stroke, Uncini said. He added that he checked all the victims for gunshot wounds and there were none.

The plane crashed into a wooded bog while making its final approach to Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport in northeastern Minnesota, where Wellstone, 58, was headed to attend the funeral of a legislator's father. Everyone aboard the plane, including Wellstone's wife, daughter and three campaign workers, was killed.

Investigators haven't determined why the plane turned away from the airport, but other pilots had reported icing that morning. The damage to Wellstone's plane was too extensive to quickly determine whether its de-icing equipment was working, the National Transportation Safety Board said.

A final NTSB report on the cause of the crash isn't expected for several months.

Wellstone was temporarily replaced in Congress by independent Dean Barkley, appointed by Gov. Jesse Ventura. Republican Norm Coleman won the Nov. 5 election, edging out Wellstone's last-minute replacement, Democrat Walter Mondale.

Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press


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It wasn't the crash that killed him. It was the sudden stop.

My first reaction was, "Doh! Do you really think so?"

But then I realized we were dealing with Democrats. Don't miss the statement:

[The medical examiner] checked all the victims for gunshot wounds and there were none.

It was then I remembered Ron Brown, Vince Foster, James McDougal, etc., etc.

1 posted on 11/21/2002 10:14:09 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Wow...Paul Wellstone dies from the impact in a plane crash...what a concept. Next, AP will be telling me that eating alot of fatty foods will make me fat.
2 posted on 11/21/2002 10:18:06 AM PST by For the Unborn
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To: For the Unborn
Fatty foods don't make you fat. Carbs make you fat. Fats give you fatty veins.
3 posted on 11/21/2002 10:19:23 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
>>...He added that he checked all the victims for gunshot wounds and there were none...<<

Lessons learned from the Klinton years.

4 posted on 11/21/2002 10:19:23 AM PST by FReepaholic
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To: For the Unborn
It's not breaking news, it's smashing news. Besides, this is yesterday's news.
5 posted on 11/21/2002 10:20:12 AM PST by Dataman
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
BREAKING: WELLSTONE AUTOPSEY SHOWS SENATOR DIED FROM PLANE'S IMPACT

It would appear that "breaking" applies both to the story, and to Mr. Wellstone.

6 posted on 11/21/2002 10:21:06 AM PST by r9etb
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
That decceleration trauma will get you every time...
7 posted on 11/21/2002 10:21:13 AM PST by mhking
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Do you think Daschle will blame Rush, because the pilot listened to his show??
8 posted on 11/21/2002 10:21:27 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
So did Bush do it or not?
9 posted on 11/21/2002 10:22:04 AM PST by 2banana
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
It couldn't be! Everyone knows that the Republicans killed Paul Welstone. The President had to have done it, after all, he was a jet pilot!

Remember, Babs Streisand told us!

10 posted on 11/21/2002 10:23:26 AM PST by Redleg Duke
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
he checked all the victims for gunshot wounds and there were none

And that goes for Ron Brown too.

That .45 inch hole in his head,
and the lead fragments in his brain weren't there.

11 posted on 11/21/2002 10:25:12 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
So much for Babs Streisand's lunatic accusation of a Republican "hit" on Wellstone. I just hope she feels as stupid as she looks!
12 posted on 11/21/2002 10:26:31 AM PST by Destructor
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Gee, ya THINK?
13 posted on 11/21/2002 10:27:43 AM PST by Sunshine55
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To: 11th Earl of Mar

[The medical examiner] checked all the victims for gunshot wounds and there were none.

Must have been the dreaded, "unloaded gun" that did it, the most dangerous kind yah know.

Chalk another one up to lack of gun control laws. </sarcasm>

14 posted on 11/21/2002 10:27:47 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: Destructor
Don't celebrate yet.
Has the plane been checked for sabotage yet?
15 posted on 11/21/2002 10:27:51 AM PST by polemikos
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To: polemikos
You don't mean...THEY CUT THE AIR BRAKES!?!
16 posted on 11/21/2002 10:30:41 AM PST by Destructor
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To: Destructor
Buwahhahaha!!!
17 posted on 11/21/2002 10:31:14 AM PST by Frank_Discussion
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To: Destructor
THEY CUT THE AIR BRAKES!?!

Maybe the pilot used the air brake right after takeoff. LOL
18 posted on 11/21/2002 10:32:53 AM PST by polemikos
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To: polemikos
That's next on the list.
19 posted on 11/21/2002 10:34:27 AM PST by babaloo999
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To: polemikos
You're right- these are Dimocrats we're talking about here!
20 posted on 11/21/2002 10:34:44 AM PST by Destructor
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To: polemikos
Maybe the pilot used the air brake right after takeoff. LOL
No, he got out to check the tires after takeoff.
21 posted on 11/21/2002 10:36:57 AM PST by talleyman
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To: mhking
they died before they could inhale any smoke

Demoncrats to the end, "I crashed, but I did not inhale!"

22 posted on 11/21/2002 10:41:06 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Destructor
"People. People who FReep people........"
23 posted on 11/21/2002 10:41:06 AM PST by tracer
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Well, the democrazies' conspiracy theory that Bush did it goes down in flames once again.
24 posted on 11/21/2002 10:42:47 AM PST by lilylangtree
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To: talleyman
he got out to check the tires after takeoff

Well, since conditions were icy, maybe he tried to scape his windshield.
Or if that proved impossible, a drive-through in the woods to shake some ice loose.
25 posted on 11/21/2002 10:43:17 AM PST by polemikos
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To: talleyman
The root cause of his death was gravity.

Do they think we're that stewpid...

26 posted on 11/21/2002 10:44:03 AM PST by Dallas
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I have it from un-impeachable secret sources that this heinous crime was committed by Right-wing, militia, fat, white-boy assassins. After injecting the occupants of the aircraft with a fast-acting sedative, they then sabotaged the plane and left via parachute. There you have it. Case closed.
27 posted on 11/21/2002 11:33:40 AM PST by dljordan
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
So it was the Grassy Knoll!
28 posted on 11/21/2002 11:41:12 AM PST by husky ed
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Paul who!!??
29 posted on 11/21/2002 11:57:34 AM PST by Gritty
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To: ASA Vet
"That .45 inch hole in his head, and the lead fragments in his brain weren't there."

The X-rays noted many very small, round fragments. See: Glassier Safety Slugs.

30 posted on 11/21/2002 12:56:48 PM PST by Deguello
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To: Deguello
All of my handguns are loaded with them, (at least for the first 6 rounds.)
The X-Rays of course have "disappeared."
31 posted on 11/21/2002 1:29:39 PM PST by ASA Vet
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To: tscislaw
That's because they used guns whose bullets leave no entrance or exit wounds. It's true! I read it over at DU!
32 posted on 11/21/2002 1:44:23 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: tscislaw
Okay, I didn't read it over at DU. But it is something that they are stupid enough to believe.
33 posted on 11/21/2002 1:46:16 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I suspect that had there been a shootout, the more liberal investigators would have searched for plane parts. DUH!
34 posted on 11/21/2002 2:13:40 PM PST by meyer
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Here's the latest conspiracy:

They secretly revived him so he could get back in the race, and he was going to surprise everyone at the end of his Convention Jamboree. But sadly, he had a heart attack watching the event spin out of control. He knew that even he had no chance to win after seeing that mess.

35 posted on 11/21/2002 2:20:06 PM PST by spycatcher
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I believe I will file this under "No Sh!t?"
36 posted on 11/21/2002 2:21:05 PM PST by Delbert
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Investigators haven't determined why the plane turned away from the airport, but other pilots had reported icing that morning.

The pilot could have been executing a missed approach procedure. If his flaps were down and he was carrying a load of ice, bringing up the flaps could have caused a sudden loss of lift and a subsequent stall. Being so close to the ground, he wouldn't have had the altitude to recover. However, from what I can find, the MAP (missed approach point) is identified by crossing the VOR (VHF Omni-Range) that is actually on the field. So, that's not likely.

Another possibility is that an uneven buildup of ice changed the shape of one wing, enough to cause only it to lose lift. That would cause the wing to drop and the plane appear to turn, but ony because the plane was entering a spin (which is caused by one wing generating sufficient lift, while the other is stalled). Again, he would have been too close to the ground to recover.

It also could have been little more than pilot error. Ultimately, the majority of general aviation accidents are attributable to this factor -- especially weather-related accidents.

37 posted on 11/21/2002 3:33:46 PM PST by justlurking
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To: Blood of Tyrants
That's because they used guns whose bullets leave no entrance or exit wounds. It's true! I read it over at DU!

Would that mean that they were using Joycelyn Elders' idea of "safer guns and safer bullets"?

38 posted on 11/21/2002 4:38:43 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Note to self:

Avoid rapid deceleration and high-speed impacts into planet-sized objects. And Republicans who are conspiring to kill me.

That last one's a joke, by the way.

39 posted on 11/21/2002 4:44:00 PM PST by Lassiter
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To: spycatcher
To all the jokers who participated in this thread: I've never laughed so hard after a tough day a work. This thread was absolutely a hoot. Thanks for the medicine.
40 posted on 11/21/2002 5:56:03 PM PST by Prolifeconservative
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I had nothing to do with it.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.


41 posted on 11/21/2002 5:59:08 PM PST by Fintan
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