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Battle of the Alamo - Thirteen Days to Glory
University of Texas ^ | Unknown | Stephen L. Hardin

Posted on 11/24/2002 7:30:41 AM PST by SAMWolf

The siege and the final assault on the Alamo in 1836 constitute the most celebrated military engagement in Texas history. The battle was conspicuous for the large number of illustrious personalities among its combatants. These included Tennessee congressman David Crockett, entrepreneur-adventurer James Bowie, and Mexican president Antonio López de Santa Anna. Although not nationally famous at the time, William Barret Travis achieved lasting distinction as commander at the Alamo. For many Americans and most Texans, the battle has become a symbol of patriotic sacrifice. Traditional popular depictions, including novels, stage plays, and motion pictures, emphasize legendary aspects that often obscure the historical event.

To understand the real battle, one must appreciate its strategic context in the Texas Revolution. In December 1835 a Federalist army of Texan (or Texian, as they were called) immigrants, American volunteers, and their Tejano allies had captured the town from a Centralist force during the siege of Bexar. With that victory, a majority of the Texan volunteers of the "Army of the People" left service and returned to their families. Nevertheless, many officials of the provisional government feared the Centralists would mount a spring offensive. Two main roads led into Texas from the Mexican interior. The first was the Atascosito Road, which stretched from Matamoros on the Rio Grande northward through San Patricio, Goliad, Victoria, and finally into the heart of Austin's colony. The second was the Old San Antonio Road, a camino real that crossed the Rio Grande at Paso de Francia (the San Antonio Crossing) and wound northeastward through San Antonio de Béxar, Bastrop, Nacogdoches, San Augustine, and across the Sabine River into Louisiana. Two forts blocked these approaches into Texas: Presidio La Bahía (Nuestra Señora de Loreto Presidio) at Goliad and the Alamo at San Antonio. Each installation functioned as a frontier picket guard, ready to alert the Texas settlements of an enemy advance. James Clinton Neill received command of the Bexar garrison. Some ninety miles to the southeast, James Walker Fannin, Jr., subsequently took command at Goliad. Most Texan settlers had returned to the comforts of home and hearth. Consequently, newly arrived American volunteers-some of whom counted their time in Texas by the week-constituted a majority of the troops at Goliad and Bexar. Both Neill and Fannin determined to stall the Centralists on the frontier. Still, they labored under no delusions. Without speedy reinforcements, neither the Alamo nor Presidio La Bahía could long withstand a siege.

At Bexar were some twenty-one artillery pieces of various caliber. Because of his artillery experience and his regular army commission, Neill was a logical choice to command. Throughout January he did his best to fortify the mission fort on the outskirts of town. Maj. Green B. Jameson, chief engineer at the Alamo, installed most of the cannons on the walls. Jameson boasted to Gen. Sam Houston that if the Centralists stormed the Alamo, the defenders could "whip 10 to 1 with our artillery." Such predictions proved excessively optimistic. Far from the bulk of Texas settlements, the Bexar garrison suffered from a lack of even basic provender. On January 14 Neill wrote Houston that his people were in a "torpid, defenseless condition." That day he dispatched a grim message to the provisional government: "Unless we are reinforced and victualled, we must become an easy prey to the enemy, in case of an attack."

By January 17, Houston had begun to question the wisdom of maintaining Neill' s garrison at Bexar. On that date he informed Governor Henry Smith that Col. James Bowie and a company of volunteers had left for San Antonio. Many have cited this letter as proof that Houston ordered the Alamo abandoned. Yet, Houston's words reveal the truth of the matter:

"I have ordered the fortifications in the town of Bexar to be demolished, and, if you should think well of it, I will remove all the cannon and other munitions of war to Gonzales and Copano, blow up the Alamo and abandon the place, as it will be impossible to keep up the Station with volunteers, the sooner I can be authorized the better it will be for the country."

Houston may have wanted to raze the Alamo, but he was clearly requesting Smith's consent. Ultimately, Smith did not "think well of it" and refused to authorize Houston' s proposal.

On January 19, Bowie rode into the Alamo compound, and what he saw impressed him. As a result of much hard work, the mission had begun to look like a fort. Neill, who well knew the consequences of leaving the camino real unguarded, convinced Bowie that the Alamo was the only post between the enemy and Anglo settlements. Neill's arguments and his leadership electrified Bowie. "I cannot eulogize the conduct & character of Col. Neill too highly," he wrote Smith; "no other man in the army could have kept men at this post, under the neglect they have experienced." On February 2 Bowie wrote Smith that he and Neill had resolved to "die in these ditches" before they would surrender the post. The letter confirmed Smith's understanding of controlling factors. He had concluded that Bexar must not go undefended. Rejecting Houston's advice, Smith prepared to funnel additional troops and provisions to San Antonio. In brief, Houston had asked for permission to abandon the post. Smith considered his request. The answer was no.

Colonel Neill had complained that "for want of horses," he could not even "send out a small spy company." If the Alamo were to function as an early-warning station, Neill had to have outriders. Now fully committed to bolstering the Bexar garrison, Smith directed Lt. Col. William B. Travis to take his "Legion of Cavalry" and report to Neill. Only thirty horsemen responded to the summons. Travis pleaded with Governor Smith to reconsider: "I am unwilling to risk my reputation (which is ever dear to a soldier) by going off into the enemy' s country with such little means, and with them so badly equipped." Travis threatened to resign his commission, but Smith ignored these histrionics. At length, Travis obeyed orders and dutifully made his way toward Bexar with his thirty troopers. Reinforcements began to trickle into Bexar. On February 3, Travis and his cavalry contingent reached the Alamo. The twenty-six-year-old cavalry officer had traveled to his new duty station under duress. Yet, like Bowie, he soon became committed to Neill and the fort, which he began to describe as the "key to Texas." About February 8, David Crockett arrived with a group of American volunteers.

On February 14 Neill departed on furlough. He learned that illness had struck his family and that they desperately needed him back in Bastrop. While on leave, Neill labored to raise funds for his Bexar garrison. He promised that he would resume command when circumstances permitted, certainly within twenty days, and left Travis in charge as acting post commander. Neill had not intended to slight the older and more experienced Bowie, but Travis, like Neill, held a regular army commission. For all of his notoriety, Bowie was still just a volunteer colonel. The Alamo's volunteers, accustomed to electing their officers, resented having this regular officer foisted upon them. Neill had been in command since January; his maturity, judgment, and proven ability had won the respect of both regulars and volunteers. Travis, however, was unknown. The volunteers insisted on an election, and their acting commander complied with their wishes. The garrison cast its votes along party lines: the regulars voted for Travis, the volunteers for Bowie. In a letter to Smith, Travis claimed that the election and Bowie's subsequent conduct had placed him in an "awkward situation." The night following the balloting, Bowie dismayed Bexar residents with his besotted carousal. He tore through the town, confiscating private property and releasing convicted felons from jail. Appalled by this disorderly exhibition, Travis assured the governor that he refused to assume responsibility "for the drunken irregularities of any man"-not even the redoubtable Jim Bowie. Fortunately, this affront to Travis's sense of propriety did not produce a lasting breach between the two commanders. They struck a compromise: Bowie would command the volunteers, Travis the regulars. Both would co-sign all orders and correspondence until Neill's return. There was no more time for personality differences. They had learned that Santa Anna's Centralist army had reached the Rio Grande. Though Travis did not believe that Santa Anna could reach Bexar until March 15, his arrival on February 23 convinced him otherwise. As Texans gathered in the Alamo, Travis dispatched a hastily scribbled missive to Gonzales: "The enemy in large force is in sight. We want men and provisions. Send them to us. We have 150 men and are determined to defend the garrison to the last." Travis and Bowie understood that the Alamo could not hold without additional forces. Their fate now rested with the General Council in San Felipe, Fannin at Goliad, and other Texan volunteers who might rush to assist the beleaguered Bexar garrison.

Santa Anna sent a courier to demand that the Alamo surrender. Travis replied with a cannonball. There could be no mistaking such a concise response. Centralist artillerymen set about knocking down the walls. Once the heavy pounding reduced the walls, the garrison would have to surrender in the face of overwhelming odds. Bottled up inside the fort, the Texans had only one hope-that reinforcements would break the siege.

On February 24 Travis assumed full command when Bowie fell victim to a mysterious malady variously described as "hasty consumption" or "typhoid pneumonia." As commander, Travis wrote his letter addressed to the "people of Texas & all Americans in the world," in which he recounted that the fort had "sustained a continual Bombardment and cannonade for 24 hours." He pledged that he would "never surrender or retreat" and swore "Victory or Death." The predominant message, however, was an entreaty for help: "I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid, with all dispatch." On March 1, thirty-two troops attached to Lt. George C. Kimbell's Gonzales ranging company made their way through the enemy cordon and into the Alamo. Travis was grateful for any reinforcements, but knew he needed more. On March 3 he reported to the convention at Washington-on-the-Brazos that he had lost faith in Colonel Fannin. "I look to the colonies alone for aid; unless it arrives soon, I shall have to fight the enemy on his own terms." He grew increasingly bitter that his fellow Texans seemed deaf to his appeals. In a letter to a friend, Travis revealed his frustration: "If my countrymen do not rally to my relief, I am determined to perish in the defense of this place, and my bones shall reproach my country for her neglect."

On March 5, day twelve of the siege, Santa Anna announced an assault for the following day. This sudden declaration stunned his officers. The enemy's walls were crumbling. No Texan relief column had appeared. When the provisions ran out, surrender would remain the rebels' only option. There was simply no valid military justification for the costly attack on a stronghold bristling with cannons. But ignoring these reasonable objections, Santa Anna stubbornly insisted on storming the Alamo. Around 5:00 A.M. on Sunday, March 6, he hurled his columns at the battered walls from four directions. Texan gunners stood by their artillery. As about 1,800 assault troops advanced into range, canister ripped through their ranks. Staggered by the concentrated cannon and rifle fire, the Mexican soldiers halted, reformed, and drove forward. Soon they were past the defensive perimeter. Travis, among the first to die, fell on the north bastion. Abandoning the walls, defenders withdrew to the dim rooms of the Long Barracks. There some of the bloodiest hand-to-hand fighting occurred. Bowie, too ravaged by illness to rise from his bed, found no pity. The chapel fell last. By dawn the Centralists had carried the works. The assault had lasted no more than ninety minutes. As many as seven defenders survived the battle, but Santa Anna ordered their summary execution. Many historians count Crockett as a member of that hapless contingent, an assertion that still provokes debate in some circles. By eight o'clock every Alamo fighting man lay dead. Currently, 189 defenders appear on the official list, but ongoing research may increase the final tally to as many as 257.

Though Santa Anna had his victory, the common soldiers paid the price as his officers had anticipated. Accounts vary, but best estimates place the number of Mexicans killed and wounded at about 600. Mexican officers led several noncombatant women, children, and slaves from the smoldering compound. Santa Anna treated enemy women and children with admirable gallantry. He pledged safe passage through his lines and provided each with a blanket and two dollars. The most famous of these survivors were Susanna W. Dickinson, widow of Capt. Almaron Dickinson, and their infant daughter, Angelina Dickinson. After the battle, Mrs. Dickinson traveled to Gonzales. There, she reported the fall of the post to General Houston. The sad intelligence precipitated a wild exodus of Texan settlers called the Runaway Scrape.

What of real military value did the defenders' heroic stand accomplish? Some movies and other works of fiction pretend that Houston used the time to raise an army. During most of the siege, however, he was at the Convention of 1836 at Washington-on-the-Brazos and not with the army. The delay did, on the other hand, allow promulgation of independence, formation of a revolutionary government, and the drafting of a constitution. If Santa Anna had struck the Texan settlements immediately, he might have disrupted the proceedings and driven all insurgents across the Sabine River. The men of the Alamo were valiant soldiers, but no evidence supports the notion-advanced in the more perfervid versions-that they "joined together in an immortal pact to give their lives that the spark of freedom might blaze into a roaring flame." Governor Smith and the General Council ordered Neill, Bowie, and Travis to hold the fort until support arrived. Despite all the "victory or death" hyperbole, they were not suicidal. Throughout the thirteen-day siege, Travis never stopped calling on the government for the promised support. The defenders of the Alamo willingly placed themselves in harm's way to protect their country. Death was a risk they accepted, but it was never their aim. Torn by internal discord, the provisional government could not deliver on its promise to provide relief, and Travis and his command paid the cost of that dereliction. As Travis predicted, his bones did reproach the factious politicos and the parade ground patriots for their neglect. Even stripped of chauvinistic exaggeration, however, the battle of the Alamo remains an inspiring moment in Texas history. The sacrifice of Travis and his command animated the rest of Texas and kindled a righteous wrath that swept the Mexicans off the field at San Jacinto. Since 1836, Americans on battlefields over the globe have responded to the exhortation, "Remember the Alamo!"


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1 posted on 11/24/2002 7:30:41 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: souris; SpookBrat; Victoria Delsoul; MistyCA; AntiJen; SassyMom; bluesagewoman; GatorGirl; radu; ...
One of the most gallant stands of courage and undying self-sacrifice which have come down through the pages of history is the defense of the Alamo, which is one of the priceless heritages of Texans. It was the battle-cry of "Remember the Alamo" that later spurred on the forces of Sam Houston at San Jacinto. Anyone who has ever heard of the brave fight of Colonel Travis and his men is sure to "Remember the Alamo."

Besieged by Santa Anna, who had reached Bexar on February 23, 1836, Colonel William Barret Travis, with his force of 182, refused to surrender but elected to fight and die, which was almost certain, for what they thought was right. The position of these men was known but no aid reached them. The request to Colonel James W. Fannin for assistance had gone unheeded. No relief was in store. As the Battle of the Alamo was in progress, a part of the Texas Army had assembled in Gonzales under the command of Mosely Baker in the latter part of February. From this army, a gallant band of 32 courageous men under the command of George C. Kimble left to join the garrison at the Alamo. Making their way through the enemy lines, these 32 men joined the doomed defenders and perished with them.

On March 2, 1836, during the siege of the Alamo, Texas independence was declared. Four days later, the document was signed with the blood shed at the Alamo. It was under such conditions that Travis and his men fought off the much larger force under Santa Anna. It was with the love of liberty in his voice and the courage of the faithful and brave that Travis gave his men the none too cheerful choice of the manner in which they wished to die.

Realizing that no help could be expected from the outside and that Santa Anna would soon take the Alamo, Travis addressed his men, told them that they were fated to die for the cause of liberty and the freedom of Texas. Their only choice was in which way they would make the sacrifice. He outlined three procedures to them: first, rush the enemy, killing a few but being slaughtered themselves in the hand-to-hand fight by the overpowering Mexican force; second, to surrender, which would eventually result in their massacre by the Mexicans, or, third, to remain in the Alamo and defend it until the last man, thus giving the Texas army more time to form and likewise taking a greater toll among the Mexicans.

The third choice was the one taken by the men. Their fate was death and they faced it bravely, asking no quarter and giving none. The siege of the Alamo ended on the dawn of March 6, when its gallant defenders were put to the sword. But it was not an idle sacrifice that men like Travis and Davy Crockett and James Bowie made at the Alamo. It was a sacrifice on the altar of liberty.

2 posted on 11/24/2002 7:31:19 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
Good Morning SAM

Thanks so much for this page in history.
3 posted on 11/24/2002 7:38:48 AM PST by Soaring Feather
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To: SAMWolf
Seems to me I remember in the cartoon books Texas History Movies that Travis drew a "line in the sand" and asked those who did not wish to fight to cross it and they could leave "with Honor". One man did and left the group at the Alamo. Is there any truth to this?
4 posted on 11/24/2002 7:46:16 AM PST by Jalapeno
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To: SAMWolf
Excellent post. My complements on the choice of the battle. (The Thermopylae of America.) It's important that Americans know this story and the sacrifices of these brave, ordinary men and citizen soldiers, for I fear soon we may have a similiar stand against the same enemy.(The Reconquistas.)
5 posted on 11/24/2002 7:47:22 AM PST by Sparta
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To: SAMWolf
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/789862/posts
The Battle of Thermopylae.

Check it out.
6 posted on 11/24/2002 7:51:11 AM PST by Sparta
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To: Jalapeno
ROSE, LOUIS (1785-1851). Louis (Moses) Rose, a soldier of fortune who escaped from the Alamo and contributed to its legends, was born on May 11, 1785, in Laferée, Ardennes, France. He joined Napoleon's 101st Regiment in 1806 and eventually became a lieutenant. In 1814 he was named to the French Legion of Honor for his role as aide-de-camp to Gen. Jacques de Monfort. He served in campaigns in Naples, Portugal, and Spain as well as in the invasion of Russia. Though no one knows when or where he entered North America, he settled in Nacogdoches, Texas, about 1827. There he was employed as a log cutter and hauler at a sawmill owned by John Durst and Frost Thornqv and served as a messenger between Nacogdoches and Natchitoches, Louisiana. He joined the Fredonian Rebellionqv in 1826 and took part in the battle of Nacogdochesqv in 1832. Rose was a friend of James Bowieqv and accompanied or followed him to the Alamo in the fall of 1835. He fought in the siege of Bexarqv that year.

Rose served the cause of Texas independence a fourth time during the siege of the Alamo. He fought for ten days, up to three days before the fall of the fort, and then escaped. He is the source of the story about William B. Travis'sqv drawing a line in the dirt with his sword. Rose got the nickname Moses because of his age at the time, fifty-one. When asked, "Moses, why didn't you stay there in the Alamo with the others?" he invariably replied, "By God, I wasn't ready to die." He was not the only survivor of the battle of the Alamo.qv Bowie and Travis sent out numerous couriers, including Capt. Juan N. Seguín,qv to plead for reinforcements, and other men left during an armistice that Gen. Antonio López de Santa Annaqv declared. In 1907 Enrique Esparzaqv reported, "Rose left after this armistice had expired . . . [and] after Travis drew the line with his sword. He was the only man who did not cross the line. Up to then, he had fought as bravely as any man there . . . . Rose went out during the night. They opened a window for him and let him go. The others who left before went out the doors and in the daytime." William P. Zuber,qv whose parents took Rose in after he left the Alamo, wrote of the escape. Rose went through enemy lines west through San Antonio, then south down the San Antonio River about three miles, then east through open prairie to the Guadalupe River, avoiding roads. He arrived at the Zuber ranch in Grimes County and stayed there for a while before going on to Nacogdoches, where he operated a butcher shop and acted as a witness for numerous heirs of Alamo defenders trying to get land for their service. In 1842 he moved to Logansport, Louisiana, where he lived with Aaron Ferguson's family until his death. Rose, who never married, died in 1851. His brother Isaac had several sons; in 1927 one of Isaac's descendants, Arthur Rose, presented Moses Rose's gun to the Alamo museum.

7 posted on 11/24/2002 8:02:51 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
Was it the Discovery Channel that just rewrote Custers battle at the Little Big Horn with modern forensic evidence ? They were going to do the same thing to the Alamo so watch out for another attack on an American Icon.
8 posted on 11/24/2002 8:10:06 AM PST by tubebender
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To: tubebender
Yes. I saw the promo's for that show.
9 posted on 11/24/2002 8:20:16 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: Sparta
Sometime in the 1980's when I was living in Tucson, the Governor of Arizona, Bruce Babbitt went to San Antonio and proclaimed the Alamo, "a symbol of racism against Mexicans."
10 posted on 11/24/2002 8:31:51 AM PST by saminfl
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To: SAMWolf
Thank you, Sam. You are a great teacher of our history! :)
11 posted on 11/24/2002 8:38:01 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: saminfl
Sheesh. That figures.
12 posted on 11/24/2002 8:38:54 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: tubebender; SAMWolf
Was it the Discovery Channel that just rewrote Custers battle at the Little Big Horn with modern forensic evidence ? They were going to do the same thing to the Alamo so watch out for another attack on an American Icon.

They already did the re-write on the Alamo. The discovery channel was making the claim that Davey Crockett had not died fighting, but had been captured and executed by Santa Ana. It appeared to me that the entire History's Mysteries (that's what they called it) was designed to cast doubt on Davey Crockett and the battle.

Discovery Channel also had their "experts" who couldn't prove anything, but also they weren't disproved.

The final parting shots of the liberal pc ninnies, was to say that history should be re-written to show that the men at the Alamo weren't so brave, weren't so large, and that those good ol' white boys have hogged history for too long. /disgust

The forensics of the battle would have been very interesting if they could have kept it to history, to what they could prove, but they didn't. They took every opportunity to insert agendas into what should have been a scientific search. It's a pity. I know they wanted people to come away thinking bad thoughts about the men at the Alamo, but instead, they just made me all the angrier.

13 posted on 11/24/2002 8:47:18 AM PST by RikaStrom
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To: MistyCA
Hi Misty,

I just find articles I find interesting and post them. I don't have the patience to be a teacher.
14 posted on 11/24/2002 8:47:35 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
Well, for what you do, I thank you! :)
15 posted on 11/24/2002 8:49:16 AM PST by MistyCA
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To: RikaStrom
Let's face it, the PC crowd is trying to destroy all the "heroes" of this Country.

If you destroy the past, it's easier to control the future.
16 posted on 11/24/2002 8:50:03 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: MistyCA
Thank you Misty.
17 posted on 11/24/2002 8:50:26 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: Jalapeno; SAMWolf

Remember The Alamo

by Jane Bowers

A hundred and eighty were challenged by Travis to die
A line that he drew with his sword when the battle was nigh
The man who would fight to the death cross over
But him that would live better fly
And over the line stepped a hundred and seventy nine

High up, Santa Ana, we're killin' your soldiers below
So the rest of Texas will know
And remember the Alamo

Jim Bowie lay dyin', his powder was ready and dry
From flat on his back Bowie killed him a few in reply
And young Davy Crockett was smilin' and laughin'
The challenge was fierce in his eye
For Texas and freedom, a man more than willing to die

High up, Santa Ana, we're killin' your soldiers below
So the rest of Texas will know
And remember the Alamo

A courier sent through the battlements, bloody and loud
With words of farewell, and the letters he carried were proud
"Grieve not, little darlin', my dyin'
If Texas is sovereign and free
We'll never surrender and ever will liberty be"

High up, Santa Ana, we're killin' your soldiers below
So the rest of Texas will know
And remember the Alamo

18 posted on 11/24/2002 8:53:28 AM PST by Alice in Wonderland
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To: SAMWolf
If you destroy the past, it's easier to control the future.

Agreed. Unfortunately, they are finding that there are those of here in Texas are not so ready to let them destroy our past. We're not trying to re-write it, mind you, but we won't let them alter it now.

We need more people to remember our past, not to forget it, not to try to wipe away the blood and the pain.

Those PC twerps are trying so hard to make sure that the minds they are molding believe that no good was ever done by the white man, and that all faults with the world can be laid at our feet.

While I was watching that "special" in my mind I could see the next follow-up. It would read "gang of angry white thieves routed by honorable mexican gentleman."

I'm not saying that there weren't honorable men on both sides of that battle, but to allow history to be changed on the basis of a forged (they found 5 distinct people wrote it) diary that somehow managed to survive all of these years to suddenly appear with no provenence, and an owner unwilling to give any... well, that's suspicious if you ask me.

19 posted on 11/24/2002 9:00:59 AM PST by RikaStrom
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To: Alice in Wonderland
Ballad Of The Alamo
(Paul F. Webster, Dimitri Tiomkin)

In the southern part of Texas in the town in San Antoine
There's a fortress all in ruins that the weeds have overgrown
You may look in vain for crosses and you'll never see a one
But sometimes between the setting and the rising of the sun
You can hear a ghostly bugle as the men go marchin' by
You can hear them as they answer to that roll call in the sky.

Colonel Travis, Davy Crockett and the hundred-eighty more
Captain Dickinson, Jim Bowie present and accounted for
Back in 1836, Houston said to Travis 'Get some volunteers
And go, fortify the Alamo'
Well the men came from Texas, and from old Tennessee
And they joined up with Travis just to fight for the right to be free.

Indian scouts with squirrel guns men with muzzle loaders
Stood together heel and toe to defend the Alamo
'You may na'er see your loved ones.' Travis told them that day
'Those who want to can leave now
Those who fight to the death let em stay.'

In the sand he drew a line with his army sabre
Out of a hundred an eighty-five, not a soldier crossed the line
With his banners a dancin', in the dawns golden light
Santa Ana came prancin' on a horse that was black as the night
Sent an officer to tell, Travis to surrender
Travis answered with a shell and a rousin' rebel yell
Santa Ana turned scarlet 'Play Deguello' he roared!
I will show them no quarter, everyone will be put to the sword.

One hundred and eight-five, holdin' back five thousand
Five day, six days, eight days, ten, Travis held, and held again
Then he'd send for replacements for his wounded and lame
But the troops that were comin', never came, never came, never came
Twice he charged then blew recall, on the fatal third time
Santa Ana breached the wall and he killed them one and all
Now the bugels are silent and there's rust on each sword
And the small band of soldiers, lie asleep in the arms of the Lord.

In the southern part of Texas near the town of San Antone
Like a statue on his pinto rides a cowboy all alone
And he sees the cattle grazin where a century before
Santa Ana's guns were blazin' and the cannons used to roar
And his eyes turned sort of misty and his heart begins to glow
And he takes his hat off slowly.....to the men of Alamo
To the thirteen days of glory... at the seige of Alamo.
20 posted on 11/24/2002 9:03:44 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
Great post, Sam......I remember a few months ago, on another Alamo thread, some witty Freeper's line:

Travis looked over the wall and saw the horde of approaching Mexicans, turned back and said, "Boys, are we pouring concrete today?"

:)

21 posted on 11/24/2002 9:04:04 AM PST by ErnBatavia
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To: tubebender
Was it the Discovery Channel that just rewrote Custers battle at the Little Big Horn with modern forensic evidence ? They were going to do the same thing to the Alamo so watch out for another attack on an American Icon.

Done deal.

I saw it and it was pretty disgusting.
Davy Crocket tried to "sneak out" and was shot like a dog out in a field somewhere.

All based on an apparent forgery that was painfully contrived to seem authentic, and allowing a series of "ifs" to be true...

They cobbled together a revised picture of the battle that is right up there with Second Hand Smoke, Global Warming and Africa's "Eve".

22 posted on 11/24/2002 9:04:55 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961; RikaStrom
They did the same thing on Custers Battle but the Alamo story line sounds like a real hack job.
23 posted on 11/24/2002 9:13:10 AM PST by tubebender
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To: SAMWolf
Two things that freaked me out about The Alamom when I visited in 1996:

1. The number of Spanish/Hispanic names of the defenders on the wall

2. The story of the small band that sneaked into the compound to meet their
fate with the defenders.

And I'd never heard these things even though I grew up one state away (Oklahoma)
and was a pretty enthusiastic student in history classes.
24 posted on 11/24/2002 9:24:00 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
There were a lot of Mexicans who didn't like the idea of Santa Anna's dictatorship and fought against him.
25 posted on 11/24/2002 9:25:50 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: tubebender; Publius6961
They did the same thing on Custers Battle but the Alamo story line sounds like a real hack job.

I'm glad I didn't see the Custer's Battle one, but if what they did to the Alamo was any indication, good grief.

They "stroked" that evidence into doing what they wanted...providing that the series of "if" statements were all true as Publius said.

26 posted on 11/24/2002 9:27:06 AM PST by RikaStrom
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To: saminfl
the Governor of Arizona, Bruce Babbitt went to San Antonio and proclaimed the Alamo,
"a symbol of racism against Mexicans."


Thanks for more evidence that Babbitt is a freakin' moron.
Guess he must not have read the list of killed defenders at The Alamo...
and noticed the Spanish/Hispanic surnames.

Last I heard via The Los Angeles Times, Babbitt was busy helping to push
a ritzy housing development on a piece of coastal California that had
been "verboten" for development due to environmental concerns.

I will always cherish the time John Stossel got Babbitt to melt down in about 30 seconds
on his "Mr. Stossel Goes to Washington" special...when Babbitt freaked out over the
prospect of being asked about all the mis-accounting of payments to Native Americans.

Babbitt...what a symbol of The Party Of Mendacity...The Democrats.
27 posted on 11/24/2002 9:28:40 AM PST by VOA
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To: RikaStrom
They didn't rewrite Custers battle, they just added some info.

Custer attacked over 3000 warriors with less than 300 men in his group.

Most were not veterans of indian fights and panicked. Read about the battle, go there, see it and then post your reply.

I will answer any questions.

28 posted on 11/24/2002 9:30:55 AM PST by johnny7
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To: johnny7
I'm sorry johnny, I wasn't making any direct comments about the Custer Battle, as I didn't see the Discovery Channel special. I'm only questioning whether it had been "tweaked" since the same production company and network made them both.

I was making reference to the Alamo program and what was done with it.

29 posted on 11/24/2002 9:37:52 AM PST by RikaStrom
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To: SAMWolf; Squantos
Texas size ping to squantos, and a hearty thank you to Sam.
This is one of the reasons I chose my screen name
30 posted on 11/24/2002 9:38:33 AM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: SAMWolf
You did a great job. When my brother was in the Air Force many years ago and was stationed out there, he would spend hours and hours at the Alamo. He said you could "feel" the ghostly figures of the brave men who fought at the Alamo. Why do people want to change history. If they do that, then it is not history but fiction! When I started college, I wanted to major in history but did not. I "love" to read about history. One of the best writers about the old west is William Johnstone. Check out his "Eagles" series. He is great and is good about writing back to his fans. I think he lives in Louisiana. He also has the terrific "Ashes" series.
31 posted on 11/24/2002 9:41:16 AM PST by MamaB
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To: MamaB
I love the "Ashes" Series!

Ben Raines where are you now that we need you.
32 posted on 11/24/2002 9:43:43 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: johnny7
Custer definately screwed up big time at the Little Big Horn. He split his forces, left behind the Gatling guns, attacked a superior force, had inadequate intelligence and the list goes on.
33 posted on 11/24/2002 9:46:14 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: VOA
It would be hard to find a beter example of nobility than the thirty-two men from Gonzales who entered the Alamo midway through the siege. Except maybe the courier James Bonham who rode back into the Alamo to tell them that the relief force they were counting on, under Fannin, wasn't going to arrive.
34 posted on 11/24/2002 9:48:27 AM PST by docmcb
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To: MamaB; SAMWolf
The Eagle series is terrific, I wish there were more of them.

Also excellent are the Mountain Man series.

LOL, I'd live in Tri-States any day.

35 posted on 11/24/2002 9:52:31 AM PST by RikaStrom
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To: docmcb
It would be hard to find a beter example of nobility than the thirty-two men from
Gonzales who entered the Alamo midway through the siege.


Very similar to something I occassionally bring up with some of the immigrant students
in our lab during bull-sessions about American politics.

I tell them that the actor Jimmy Stewart actually went on a weight-gaining regime
so that the Army Air Corps would allow him the privilege of flying B-17's
and possibily get a seat load of flak for his troubles.
They look at me like "what kind of crazy man was he?".

I tell him that Stewart wass, fortunately, the sort of crazy man the USA has found
at the right time and place for all it's history.
36 posted on 11/24/2002 9:55:20 AM PST by VOA
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To: RikaStrom
I started reading Johnstone's books many, many years ago and got hooked on them. The only series I do not like is the "Cat" one. Not my style. Have you read the "Rig Warrior" series of 3 books. There is one about terrorists which is so current although it was written in the 80's, I think. Have you read "Prey" and "Hunted"? They are very interesting. As you can tell, I am a big fan of Johnstone. I wonder if he is on FR!!! Yep, where is Ben Raines when this country needs him!!!!! Like he said in one of the books, the Tri-States philosophy is common sense which liberals do not have very much of. If anyone out there has not read any of Johnstone's books, now is a good time to start.
37 posted on 11/24/2002 10:03:40 AM PST by MamaB
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To: MamaB
LOL, I have a collection and no one is allowed to borrow them. I threaten people with pain of dismemberment if one of my Johnstone books goes missing.

I have "Prey"; "Hunted" and the prequel "Watcher in the Woods". The entire Mountain Main and Last Mountain Man series. All of the Ashes books, The Rig Warrior set, the "Codename" set (there are only four of them) and I think all of his horror novels, except maybe one. The one set I don't have that I am still looking for are the Blood Bond series. It's also a western but I am not sure how many books are in it, it's so very hard to get his stuff used.

The only books I didn't much care for are the new westerns he's doing.. The Last Gunfighter. But you know, I figure I like everything else... LOL.

I am a huge fan of his and I would not be at all surprised if he lurked FR. I would love to see some form of his common sense government come into action.

38 posted on 11/24/2002 10:13:23 AM PST by RikaStrom
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To: MamaB; RikaStrom
Johnstone also wrote an excellent book called "Breakdown", about a possible second American Revolution.
39 posted on 11/24/2002 10:16:48 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
Ben Raines and William W. Johnstone bump!!!
40 posted on 11/24/2002 10:17:04 AM PST by Sparta
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To: MamaB
After reading the Ashes series and reading his bio, I was shocked to find out his only military experience was a brief stint in the French Foreign Legion. We need a new Tri-States, better yet a SUSA.
41 posted on 11/24/2002 10:20:06 AM PST by Sparta
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To: SAMWolf
I read that one too!!! I think it is great having a writer like Johnstone who thinks like we do!!
42 posted on 11/24/2002 10:20:52 AM PST by MamaB
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To: Sparta; MamaB; RikaStrom
THE TRI-STATE MANIFESTO

Excerpted from: "FROM THE ASHES: AMERICA REBORN"
By William W. Johnstone


AS ADVOCATES AND SUPPORTERS OF THE TRI-STATE PHILOSOPHY, WE BELIEVE:

THAT FREEDOM, LIKE RESPECT, IS EARNED AND MUST BE CONSTANTLY NURTURED AND PROTECTED FROM THOSE WHO WOULD TAKE IT AWAY.

IN THE RIGHT OF EVERY LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN TO PROTECT HIS OR HER LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PERSONAL PROPERTY BY ANY MEANS AT HAND WITHOUT FEAR OF ARREST, CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, OR LAWSUIT. THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS CENTRAL TO MAINTAINING TRUE PERSONAL FREEDOM.

THAT LIBERAL POLITICIANS, THEORISTS, AND SOCIALISTS ARE THE GREATEST THREAT TO FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS AND THAT THEIR MISGUIDED EFFORTS HAVE CAUSED GRAVE INJUSTICES IN THE FIELDS OF CRIMINAL LAW, EDUCATION, AND PUBLIC WELFARE:

THEREFORE IN RESPECT TO CRIMINAL LAW:

AN EFFECTIVE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM SHOULD BE GUIDED BY THESE BASIC TENETS:

-OUR COURTS SHOULD STOP PAMPERING CRIMINALS.

-THE PUNISHMENT MUST FIT THE CRIME.

-JUSTICE MUST BE FAIR BUT ALSO BE SWIFT AND, IF NECESSARY, HARSH.

-THERE IS NO PERFECT SOCIETY ONLY A FAIR ONE.

THEREFORE IN RESPECT TO EDUCATION:

EDUCATION IS THE KEY TO SOLVING PROBLEMS IN THE SOCIETY AND THE LACK OF IT IS THE ROOT CAUSE OF AMERICA'S DECLINE.

AN EFFECTIVE SYSTEM OF EDUCATION:

-MUST STRESS HARD DISCIPLINE ALONG WITH THE ARTS, SCIENCES, FINE MUSIC, AND BASIC SKILLS IN READING, WRITING, AND MATHEMATICS.

-MUST TEACH FAIRNESS AND RESPECT.

-MUST TEACH MORALS, THE DIGNITY OF LABOR, AND THE VALUE OF FAMILY.

THEREFORE IN RESPECT TO WELFARE:

WELFARE (WE PREFER WORKFARE) IS RESERVED ONLY FOR THE EDERLY, INFIRM, AND THOSE WHO NEED TEMPORARY HELPING HAND AND THE WELFARE SYSTEM MUST ALSO:

-INSTILL THE CONCEPT OF HONEST WORK FOR HONEST PAY.

-INSTILL THE CONCEPT THAT EVERYONE WHO CAN WORK MUST WORK AND BE FORCED TO WORK IF NECESSARY.

-INSTILL THE CONCEPT THAT THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH AND THAT BEING PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS IN A FREE SOCIETY IS THE ONLY HONORABLE PATH TO TAKE.

THAT RACIAL PREJUDICE AND BIGOTRY ARE INTOLERABLE IN A FREE AND VITAL SOCIETY

-NO ONE IS WORTHY OF RESPECT SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.

-RESPECT IS EARNED BY ACTIONS AND BY DEEDS, NOT BY BIRTHRIGHT.

-THERE ARE ONLY TWO TYPES OF PEOPLE ON EARTH, DECENT AND INDECENT. THOSE WHO ARE DECENT WILL FLORISH, THOSE WHO ARE NOT WILL PERISH.

-NO LAWS LAID DOWN BY A BODY OF GOVERNMENT CAN MAKE ONE PERSON LIKE ANOTHER.

A FREE AND JUST SOCIETY MUST BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS EVEN IF IT MEANS SHEDDING THE BLOOD OF ITS CITIZENS. THE WILLINGNESS OF CITIZENS TO LAY DOWN THEIR LIVES FOR THE BELIEF IN FREEDOM IS A CORNERSTONE OF TRUE DEMOCRACY; WITHOUT THAT WILLINGNESS THE STRUCTURE OS SOCIETY WILL SURELY CRUMBLE AND FALL INTO THE ASHES OF HISTORY.

THEREFORE:

-ALONG WITH THE INALIENABLE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, AND THE INALIENABLE RIGHT TO PERSONAL PROTECTION, A STRONG SKILLED, AND WELL-EQUIPPED MILITARY IS ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAINING A FREE SOCIETY.

-A STRONG MILITARY ELIMINATES THE NEED FOR "ALLIES," ALLOWING THE SOCIETY TO FOCUS ON THE NEEDS OF ITS CITIZENS.

-THE BUSINESS OF CITIZENS IS NOT THE BUSINESS OF THE WORLD UNLESS THE RIGHTS OF CITIZENS ARE INFRINGED UPON BY OUTSIDE FORCES.

-THE DUTY OF THOSE WHO LIVE IN A FREE SOCIETY IS CLEAR, PERSONAL FREEDOM IS NOT NEGOTIABLE.

IN CONCLUSION:

WE WHO SUPPORT THE TRI-STATE PHILOSOPHY AND LIVE BY ITS CODE AND ITS LAWS PLEDGE TO DEFEND IT BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. WE PLEDGE TO WORK FAIRLY ANDJUSTLY TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN A SOCIETY IN WHICH ALL CITIZENS ARE TRULY FREE AND ARE ABLE TO PURSUE PRODUCTIVE LIVES WITHOUT FEAR AND WITHOUT INTERVENTION.

Ben Raines - William W. Johnstons
43 posted on 11/24/2002 10:21:00 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
"Breakdown" was excellent. If someone wanted to get a quick synopsis of Johnstone and his ideas, read "From the Ashes: America Reborn". It has the unusual aspect of Johnstone interviewing Ben Raines. It also gives quick glimpses into the Ashes books.
44 posted on 11/24/2002 10:22:05 AM PST by RikaStrom
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To: RikaStrom
The Blood Brothers is a great series which showed that Indians and the white man could get along back in the Old West. I guess we need to write Johnstone and get him to reprint them. That is what happened with the Rig Warrior series. What is so great about his books is the fact that he did not try to change history but wrote it like it was. Mr. Johnstone has a very interesting history of his own.
45 posted on 11/24/2002 10:24:45 AM PST by MamaB
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To: RikaStrom
I've got all his "Ashes" books, started reading them when they first came out.
46 posted on 11/24/2002 10:26:32 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: SAMWolf
Why is it so hard for liberals to understand this? Is something wrong with their brain or do they have one!!!! I have that book and it makes a lot of sense.
47 posted on 11/24/2002 10:28:25 AM PST by MamaB
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To: SAMWolf
Thank you so much.
48 posted on 11/24/2002 10:35:07 AM PST by Jalapeno
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To: SAMWolf
This "crap" about Crockett surrendering and claiming to be a "tourist" makes my butt wanta' make button holes, as my dear departed mother used to say. Susanah Dickinson for many years told about walking past Crockett's body, saying she saw the coonskin cap. He had died defending the picket fence. And think about this. What would have riled the Texians more? Crockett dieing swinging "Old Betsy" or beind murdered after he surrendered. In other words, had she told Houston Crockett had been murdered the rallying cry would have been even stronger. Crockett was a celebrity. Back east the people were shocked over his death. Houston could have used his "murder" to his advantage. This proves to me he died fighting just like the all the rest. Besides, they knew if they surrendered they would be executed so why surrender?

All of these men could have left any time they wanted. James Bonham left and returned riding through enemy lines. Crockett could have left. Why stay and fight then surrender? These men died with honor.

Every time I go to the Alamo, my eyes well up with tears. It's the most humbling experience to stand there on that hallowed ground knowing those brave men chose death over tyranny. Something I doubt I could have done.

I heard the other day Randy Quaid is going to play Houston and Billy Bob Thornton is going to play Crockett in the movie Ron Howard turned down. I can see Thornton as Crockett since they're both a little rough around the edges and maybe, since Quaid is a Texan, he'll balk if they try to rewrite history.

Remember the Alamo! And keep it holy!
49 posted on 11/24/2002 10:45:00 AM PST by Terry Mross
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To: johnny7
"They didn't rewrite Custers battle, they just added some info. Custer attacked over 3000 warriors with less than 300 men in his group. Most were not veterans of indian fights and panicked. Read about the battle, go there, see it and then post your reply. I will answer any questions"

About twenty years ago the National Portrait Gallery in Washington D.C. held an exhibition devoted to General Custer. One of the items on display was a peice of cowhide that had been painted by an Indian warrior who had been present at Custer's last stand. Apparently, this was a sort of diary that the Indian had kept for the purpose of recording the important events of his life and, among other things, it had a graphic depiction of the battle including Custer's death. It was an amazing thing to see, and although I don't recall all of the details, my impression on seeing the Discovery Channel documentary was that it was in general accord with what the Indian had related on that peice of painted cowhide.

50 posted on 11/24/2002 10:53:22 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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