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U.S. Navy seizes cadet computers in bootleg probe
Yahoo via Reuters ^ | 11/25/02

Posted on 11/25/2002 3:01:28 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband

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To: steve-b
I don't see any reason to doubt that the Navy has such a reputation.

An attitude displayed seriously only by those with no knowledge of military service, or the cooperation (and rivalry) between the services. Base your knowledge of these 'reputations' on something besides the smart-alec comment of a high school graduate who is only beginning his journey in life. He will learn much in the years ahead of him in the service of his country, and one of the things he will learn is that the all the services all have roles and responsibilities in the defense of our nation. It actually speaks volumes of 'Thud' that he bases his opinion of the 'Sea Service' on the offhand comment of a teenager.

As to the investigation, the facts will reveal the truth, and if innocent, then they will be aquitted. And the reputation of the service academy will be based upon the fairness of application of the code. My personal opinion, and having graduated from there, is that this would not have been elevated to this level to begin with if there was not something to the charge.

21 posted on 11/26/2002 9:20:52 AM PST by Magnum44
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To: Magnum44
You are off the top of the F scale. You worship the ground authority walks on.
22 posted on 11/26/2002 10:03:55 AM PST by Thud
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To: Thud
Insults? Is that your response to everything that you don't see eye to eye with?
23 posted on 11/26/2002 10:06:58 AM PST by Magnum44
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Kazaa's based on the island of Vanatu, though it's HQ is in Australia. Kazaalite's origin is much better hidden. Good luck, RIAA. :snicker:

-Eric

24 posted on 11/26/2002 10:10:21 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: Paleo Conservative
Why start at the Naval Academy? Why not Berkeley?

Two reasons: (a) the midshipmen at Annapolis are subject to the Honor Code, and (b) the Naval Academy computer network is heavily monitored for intrusion and internal misuse, which means that the downloads can be tied to specific midshipmen.

25 posted on 11/26/2002 10:10:39 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
Actually most schools have an honor code for their students, but the enforcement of it by other students is 'not cool' and it is the student body who really knows first when cheating occurs. I can't speak to Berkeley in particular, but in general this is the case.

26 posted on 11/26/2002 10:13:31 AM PST by Magnum44
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To: Magnum44
What happened to the cheaters?

They cheated on the exams we took upon entry to see if we needed refresher English or math. They had a copy of the test and studied from it. Their "punishment" was to take the class, even though they passed.

27 posted on 11/26/2002 10:29:20 AM PST by TankerKC
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To: TankerKC
Should have received a letter of reprimand in their service records and been given orders to their final duty station. Are you sure this wasn't reflected somehow on their fitness reports? If not, then, assuming your facts are correct, this was not handled well.
28 posted on 11/26/2002 10:33:00 AM PST by Magnum44
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To: TankerKC
Thinking again, this may have been questionable as old tests being circulated is a common practice. Unless the test was stolen or specific guidance was provided warning against use of old tests, I don't know if I would call this cheating. It is as much a responsibility of the school to administer good tests as it is for students to be honest.

If I buy an FAA exam guide, I can see every question I might be asked on a flight exam. Same fo the SAT, etc. Is that cheating?

29 posted on 11/26/2002 10:37:58 AM PST by Magnum44
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To: Magnum44
If I buy an FAA exam guide, I can see every question I might be asked on a flight exam. Same fo the SAT, etc. Is that cheating?

No, because the question pool is openly available. Same principle with amateur radio licenses: all questions in the pool are available for study. Amateur radio exams are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

30 posted on 11/26/2002 10:50:40 AM PST by Poohbah
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To: Magnum44
Is that cheating?

No. There was some confusion in this case because we had to take four different tests. For two of the tests, the instructors put copies of old tests in the library for us to study from. There were explicit instructions that were not to use any other version of the test. We could not make copies and could not take copies out of the library. The other two did not. These two guys got a copy of a test from a former student (also an academy grad).

I don’t know what kind of performance reports these two got. I do know that one got out of the service less than a year after graduating. The other has since been promoted.

31 posted on 11/26/2002 11:57:20 AM PST by TankerKC
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To: TankerKC
Yea, old 'gouge' will always be an issue. That is why the school should not reuse old tests, and put students at risk for just trying to pass the class. You get into the question of when did they get the old test as opposed to when they were instructed not to use them, etc etc. Its just poor planning from the admin side of things.

These profs are paid to teach and test. I put some responsibility on them to make sure their system is one where a students good intentions are not viewed as dishonorable.

As for this academy article, the determination of whether downloads were legal or not will be easily determined and the system must hold people accountable.

I am asking myself what responsibility the academy has for 'tempting' mids with internet access that might lead to abuse. At the same time I ask myself, don't todays taxpayer employed mids (I was one once) have better things to do like studying, sports, professional development, etc. Ultimately, character has always come down to individual responsibility, not the pressure of peers or environment.

32 posted on 11/26/2002 12:18:40 PM PST by Magnum44
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