Archaeologists Announce Discovery Of Underwater Man-Made Wall (Very Old)

China Post ^ | 11-26-2002

[blam]

Archaeologists announce discovery of underwater man-made wall

2002/11/26
The China Post staff

Underwater archaeologists yesterday announced the discovery of a man-made wall submerged under the waters of the Pescadores Islands that could be at least six and seven thousand years old.

Steve Shieh, the head of the planning committee for the Taiwan Underwater Archaeology Institute, said the wall was discovered to the northwest of Tong-chi Island in the Pescadores towards the end of September.

The stone wall, with an average height of one meter and a width of 50 centimeters, covers a distance of over 100 meters, Hsieh said.

The wall ran along the ocean floor at depths of between 25 and 30 meters, he added.

Shieh said that divers found several places along the wall where holes were apparently filled up with pebbles, possibly in an attempt to block winds.(Maybe to keep out the rising water?)

The wall was located by a team of divers working in cooperation with the National Museum of History and the Department of Environmental Sciences at the National Sun Yat-sen University.

In August, researchers scanning waters in the area with sonar discovered what appeared to be the remnants of four to five man-made walls running along the bottom of the sea.

Please see WALL on page(I could not find a map, if you can, please post it.)

Despite difficult diving conditions, Shieh said that a team of more than ten specialists was able to ascertain the positions of at least three of the wall sections.

The proximity of the wall to a similar structure found in 1976 suggests that it may be further evidence of a pre-historical civilization.

A three meter high underwater wall was discovered by amateur divers in waters off the nearby Hu-ching (Tiger Well) Island.

British archaeologists examined the find and proclaimed that the wall was probably made between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago.

The current find stands a mere 100 meters from the site of that discovery.

Six years ago, evidence of a sunken city in the area was found when amateur divers found the remains of what appear to be city walls taking the shape of a cross on the ocean floor.

Further examination suggested the ruins were made between seven and ten thousand years ago as well, although Japanese researchers put the walls construction at between 10,000 and 80,000 years ago.

Taken together, the discoveries have helped to overturn the established notion that Taiwan's earliest aboriginal inhabitants made their way here from mainland China some 6,000 years ago.(There goes the giant hynea theory, huh?)

The underwater finds are part of a growing body of evidence suggesting the existence of civilizations older than anything previously imagined.(suprise, suprise, suprise--Gomer Pyle voice)

On this theory, entire cities ended up underwater after sea levels rose towards the end of the last Ice Age, a date cited by Plato as being some 9,600 years ago.

One of the most dramatic examples of evidence of civilizations found on ocean beds has been megalithic structures off the coast of Yonaguni-jima in Japan that have been interpreted in some circles as being built for sacrificial rites. According to Shieh, a similar structure has been located off of the shores of Taiwan's Pingtung County .

Shieh said that he and his association have plans to explore that location as well as what appears to be a man-made path on the ocean floor off of Taitung County sometime next year.

[Carry_Okie]

Wouldn't the temperatures required to make ceramic pottery also be sufficent to produce steel?

Not necessarily, it depends upon the chemical composition of the sintering aggregate and the duration of the firing process. Alumina has very high firing temperatures, other silicates sinter at lower temperatures. Typical sintering temperatures are in the range of 1,000°C or less. Steels have typical processing temperaures around 1,800°C.

[annflounder]

I wonder, what peoples on the Earth today would you nominate as the descendants of the lost tribes?

According to this view, the most likely candidates would be those jews descended from the Khazar kingdom in Southern Russia.

[Carry_Okie]

BTW, with regard to pole flipping... Remember that we have a planet with a hard shell, a semi-plastic unberlayer, a liquid layer and a solid core. The outer shell ALREADY rotates at a different speed than the solid core (which is what generates earth's electromagnetic field). My guess is that "pole flipping" entails not only movement of the solid core beneath the outer shell, but perhaps a shell of the mantle as well. The moving element would operate under the following scenario: Many pseudoplastic materials get very flowy if they start to move. If the forces operating on the planet were symmetrical, a shear layer might well develop within the mantle. We'd thus be sitting on top of one BIG fluid clutch.

Pretty cool really.

[blam]

Hmmm. I'm thinkin', I'm thinkin.'

Someone higher up on the thread mentioned ice 'stacking up' and the subsequent weight. I think global weather patterns typically move from west to east ...and if this is true, it would seem to me that most of the moisture would precipitate out on the western edges of the continents (and over time), creating an enormous build up of ice/weight in selected areas.
At some point, the weight would redistribute.(?)

The suddeness being spoken of is troubling me. Wouldn't this (sudden) movement have been detected by geologists...they're all talking about slow movement over millions of years.

[Carry_Okie]

Wouldn't this (sudden) movement have been detected by geologists...they're all talking about slow movement over millions of years.

Possibly not. They've all been taught the same thing out of the same texts with data that is probably 10 years old, at least. Then there's the group think factor. Consider "conservation biologists."

Now lets look at geologists. How long ago was it that they ALL thought the Grand Canyon eroded only very slowly? It wasn't that long ago that we learned what could happen with a dam breach suddenly releasing a huge inland sea. So, lets say all of them measure current rates of continental movement and project backwards...

Now, how long ago was plate tectonics first posited and confirmed? About 35 years ago. It's a theory; but that doesn't mean it's completely understood.

[blam]

Over here.

[the-ironically-named-proverbs2]

"I've thought of a trigger mechanism: If a degenerate star or large planet (Wormwood) with a strong electromagnetic field happened to pass close by, the electromagnetic flux acting on the field surrounding our iron-cored planet might be sufficient moment to initiate movement in that core with respect to the crust (having its own momentum and relatively less iron)."

I hope you weren't being sarcastic and I'm just too dense to have picked up on it.... have you ever read anything by Velikovsky? Your statement is pretty much his theory in a nutshell. Back in the early 50s his books caused quite a ruckus with those wacky ideas. The problem for "establishment science" has been that most of his "predictions" about the nature of certain planets and the moon have proven correct while establishment scientists have been amazingly wrong.

[Carry_Okie]

I wasn't being sarcastic. I was simply musing.

I have heard of Velikovsky, but haven't read any of his work. I have scanned criticism's of his theories that did make sense to me (the gist of which escapes me right now), but such "failings" don't mean that he didn't have anything to offer. I still remember those conventional whizdumbs of the time that suggested grass adjoining canals full of water on Mars. I share blam's interest in catastrophes from political, historical, philosophical, technical, and ecological perspectives. It is in part for personal reasons beyond personal faith.

I wrote a book on free-market environmental management that takes uses risk analyses to disperse and diversify technical approaches to habitat management appropriate to changing spatial and temporal circumstance. Such would give us better ability to respond to catastrophic events than the single point control systems typical of government. I take the possibility of such events seriously and want to learn from the historical response set.

[William Terrell]

I doubt very many people were relocated very far. It's not that practical. There's probably no reason to expect much residue from whatever did happen back then.

It's a historical fact that the tribes were moved to the northern borders of Assyria as a buffer against hostle peoples. The Assyrian tablets put that one to rest. Where they put them was up near the Causausus mountains. That's historical fact also. They had several centuries to migrate into Europe and there is evidence that prior Israelites had gotten there earlier from Egypt.

I don't see how it's so improbable. Also I'm reminded of Hosea 1:10,11:

10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

Either God is a piker or this is to come to past. So the Northern Kingdom has to be here today and there have to be oodles of them, and they will have to be the same people from the same stock.

That's why I asked if you could think of another candidate then the European/American/Austrailian/New Zealand, ect people.

[William Terrell]

Doesn't fit the requirements.

[VadeRetro]

If by "another candidate" you mean "other than the Celts," you still have to make that story work. I still see no plausible amount of time and no mechanism to turn Israelites into Celts in about 110 years. Why the change of language? Why the adoption of a new paganism, not even the old Canaanite paganism?

Isn't it less of a strain on the brain that the Celts were just another tribe like so many others that was out of sight of civilization until they wandered into contact? That any group of people exported from Israel wasn't all that large and probably was absorbed somewhere? Why do you have to force the two to match? It doesn't work.

[William Terrell]

It really is not even necessary to make the story work. But even so, we have centuries to work with in order to get them to Europe.

When it all boils down to the residue, whether you accept that the Northern Kingdom tribes made it to Europe or not, whether they changed their language or not (You can find the list of roots words in "Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets" by E Raymond Capt, pp 187-198), or whether their culture changed or not, the fact of the Hosea 1:10, 11 prophecy (also found in Genesis and Ezekiel) remains.

If God's Word can be taken there will be a major population right now of the descendents of the Northern Kingdom. Whom would they be, unless the Celtic related peoples?

Further, is there anything basically wrong with the European types peoples being the descendents, which would justify the frequently emotional reaction of people, out here at least, to that idea? You know what I mean. You can almost hear the echo in the outraged posts: Oh God! No! Not them! Anybody but them!

[VadeRetro]

It really is not even necessary to make the story work.

If you aren't going to try, there's not much to say.

But even so, we have centuries to work with in order to get them to Europe.

Not at all! They're well established in Central and Northern Europe well in advance of the Roman expansion. The given date of 610 for an emergence in Eastern europe is probably pushing it the wrong way.

The original wave of Celtic immigrants to the British Isles are called the q-Celts and spoke Goidelic. It is not known exactly when this immigration occurred but it may be placed somtime in the window of 2000 to 1200 BC.

From The Celts.

See what I mean about this not working?

[Carry_Okie]

Why the adoption of a new paganism, not even the old Canaanite paganism?

What was "new" about it? The children of Israel were already half way there. The reason Israel fell was the adherence to the Ba'al worship of Jeroboam son of Nebat. Read Kings II for a stirringly repetitive and boring recount. My take is that the "new" paganism of the Celts was reasonably coherent with that of Israel.

[rightofrush]

Thank you for another provocative article.

[VadeRetro]

More evidence that the Celts are too old to fit.

Whereas the Urnfield people may justifiably be considered to have been proto-Celtic, their descendants in Central Europe, the people of the Hallstatt culture, were certainly fully Celtic. The Hallstatt culture and its successor, that of La Tène, together represent the iron-using prehistoric peoples of much of Europe.

[VadeRetro]

I was unaware of the Celts worshipping El, Baal, and that crowd. I would have expected people who do that kind of thing for a living to notice if there was something nearly identical going on there.

[VadeRetro]

Further, is there anything basically wrong with the European types peoples being the descendents, which would justify the frequently emotional reaction of people, out here at least, to that idea? You know what I mean. You can almost hear the echo in the outraged posts: Oh God! No! Not them! Anybody but them!

Aren't you glad you dignified your arguments with that?

[Balding_Eagle]

Besides, if man had been on the earth for 200,000 years Windows would be a much more stable operating system by now.

LOL! well I haven't needed to reboot for many months. Haven't really kept track, maybe even a year.

[mdmathis6]

I don't know about 6000 years...but Genesis says that...the "WHOLE WORLD WAS FILLED WITH VIOLENCE AND GOD REPENTED THAT HE HAD MADE MAN..."can anyone say flood ladies and gentlemen?

There is also to be considered the recent discoveries of man made structures under the ocean off the coast of Cuba as well...dating around the same time as the Tiawanese finds. The Bible says that the population exploded and spread out from the Garden all over(they were fruitful and multiplied). Now the much aligned creationist movements are being given credence by discovered evidence.

Watch now how the anti-religion scientific establishment, completely in denial as the evidence a creator God piles up all around them, will continue to spin and deny the Biblical record!