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Suit filed over grazing impact on threatened trout in Nevada: Jarbidge
Associated Press ^ | 11/26/2002 04:55 pm | ??

Posted on 11/26/2002 9:24:49 PM PST by B4Ranch

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:36:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Environmentalists are accusing federal land managers in Nevada and Idaho of violating the Endangered Species Act by allowing livestock grazing and water diversions harmful to the threatened bull trout in the Jarbidge River.

The Western Watersheds Project and Committee for the High Desert filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management on Monday that charges the agencies with not doing enough to protect the fish that federal biologists say is vulnerable to extinction.


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The Western Watersheds Project and Committee for the High Desert filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management

The fight continues!!

1 posted on 11/26/2002 9:24:50 PM PST by B4Ranch
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The fight continues.
3 posted on 11/26/2002 9:27:41 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Kuleana
These yahoos think that when cattle come over to the creek to get a drink that they will stand there kicking dirt into the water until the banks totally collapse.
4 posted on 11/26/2002 9:40:08 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
With my fishing prowess ALL trout are endangered!
5 posted on 11/26/2002 9:55:25 PM PST by patriot5186
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To: B4Ranch
"Environmentalists are accusing federal land managers in Nevada and Idaho of violating the Endangered Species Act by allowing livestock grazing and water diversions harmful to the threatened bull trout in the Jarbidge River."

Threatened? THREATENED??? Lawsuit? ANOTEHR STUPID LAWSUIT?? I was just thinking of toddling off to bed...and now I'm all steamed all over again!! (even if they're NOT as likely to have everything their own way as they once were)

6 posted on 11/26/2002 9:58:06 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Take your heart medicine and calm down ......just a little bit. Okay, now you should be fine at reading and sending emails to everyone who gives a darn about America.
7 posted on 11/26/2002 10:04:05 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
"Take your heart medicine and calm down ......just a little bit. Okay, now you should be fine at reading and sending emails to everyone who gives a darn about America."

LOL...I thought of catnip and chamomile tea, but decided on beer instead.

Of course I'll send emails. To everyone who cares about America AND to environazi websites. I'm very good at the "polite nastygram".

8 posted on 11/26/2002 10:20:31 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: B4Ranch
Note to self: Time to start building databases of the boards of directors of these groups.
9 posted on 11/26/2002 10:22:07 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
I wonder if they're affiliated with his group: The Western Organization of Resource Councils ?
10 posted on 11/26/2002 10:34:30 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: B4Ranch
Actually, that wasn't a very long second wind. I just don't have enough energry to maintain outrage for any length of time right now. I think I WILL toddle off to bed, and try to remember to start looking for people to nastygram tomorrow. Or rather, later today, EST.
11 posted on 11/26/2002 10:43:24 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: B4Ranch
Jon Marvel, executive director of the Western Watersheds Project

Isn't this the guy I read about in Range Magazine that wants to eliminate all cattle grazing on public lands? He sponsored or spoke at something called Range Net last year if I remember right. I also remember quotes from Andy Kerr stating something to the effect that now that the enviros have destroyed the timber industry, the cattle industry is next. Hope the cattlemen can afford to fight this...'cuz I sure wouldn't bet on the BLM and USFS winning this in court.

12 posted on 11/26/2002 10:43:27 PM PST by forester
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To: forester; B4Ranch; Carry_Okie
RangeNet

The National Forest Ecosystem Protection Act

Executive Summary

Environmentalists, hope to create large wild areas, where every species formerly living in that area could once again live and reproduce there in natural conditions. We have achieved that goal in the greater Yellowstone area and we are moving towards the goal elsewhere. It is now time to move towards this goal on a more consistent basis throughout the country.

The National Forest Ecosystem Protection Act will create a system of large wild areas in every region of the country. Each Ecosystem Protection Area will be based on a core existing large Wilderness Area and will be surrounded by a newly designated Primitive Area, both to be managed in a complementary manner. The Forest Service will manage the Primitive Areas, as areas where primitive recreation and habitat for wildlife will be the paramount considerations and all other multiple use activities will only be used to reinforce the paramount considerations.

The current draft selects forty-six of the most spectacular, wildest and most beautiful existing Wilderness Areas in the National Forests, as the core areas for the proposed Ecosystem Protection Areas. These are the biggest and the best of the best. The surrounding Primitive Areas will be managed for hiking, fishing, hunting, and nature appreciation and for the benefit of all forms of wildlife and plant species that now live or formerly lived in those areas.

The proposal recognizes the significant differences between the eastern, mid-western and southern portions of the country on the one hand and the west on the other hand. The west has large designated Wilderness Areas now. The eastern and central areas of the country have puny Wilderness Areas surrounded by National Forests which contain a bewildering pattern of Forest Service owned land and privately owned land. The eastern and central areas of the country also have many more roads and structures at greater densities than do the western National Forests. Conversely most Wilderness Areas in the western National Forests are grazed and are therefore not maintained at a similar level of quality for primitive recreation purposes, as are the eastern, southern and mid-western National Forest Wilderness Areas.

In the eastern areas of the country, and even more importantly in the central area of the country, large wild areas have to be created. In the west the existing large wild areas need to be improved.

This proposal remedies these unfortunate conditions by converting these eastern and western areas to a more park-like use. In the eastern, southern, and mid-western areas of the country, the act provides for the designation of the Ecosystem Protection Areas, for the purchase of private lands in the Primitive Areas surrounding the core Wilderness Areas, for the removal of unneeded roads in those Primitive Areas, and provides procedures for the future expansion of the existing Wilderness Areas.

The latter two procedures will take place as part of the Forest Service's normal planning process that occurs every fifteen years on each National Forest. That process provides for full public participation in the development of the policies. Furthermore any recommended expansion of the Wilderness Areas will be dependent on future Congressional action. The designation of the Ecosystem Protection Areas will be completed within three years of the enactment of the law, pursuant to the public participation requirements of the Forest Service Planning Act. That process will determine the size of the areas. The size of the named eastern, mid-western and southern Wilderness Areas is 1,300,000 acres. A preliminary estimate of the size of the not yet delineated eastern, mid-western and southern Ecosystem Protection Areas is 3,500,000 acres of which almost 700,000 acres would have to be purchased.

In the area east of the Rocky Mountains the greatest need in the creation and continued protection of large wild areas is the purchase of private land in areas previously designated by Congress as National Forests. The designated western National Forests (185 million acres) are much larger than those in the areas east of the Rocky Mountains (47 million acres). The western National Forests are also more than 90% federally owned. Conversely the National Forests east of the Rocky Mountains are much smaller than those in the west and they are only 55% federally owned. This proposal provides for the acquisition of those parts of the eastern National Forests, which surround the named core Wilderness Areas, already recognized by Congress as the largest and most beautiful Wilderness Areas in that part of the country. It also provides for the acquisition of 38,000 acres of in-holdings in the named western Wilderness Areas.

The western Ecosystem Protection Areas named in this act average size is over 800,000 acres. The areas east of the Rocky Mountains, with one notable exception, average just over 20,000 acres. This proposal is meant to more than double the size of the combined Wilderness Area and Primitive Area for each of these eastern Ecosystem Protection Areas and to bring each of these areas up to a minimum size of 50,000 acres. At this size each of the named areas will be large enough to provide wild lands for the preservation of secure breeding populations of most species of wildlife and plants that live in that area now or formerly lived there and to provide very large wild lands for the enjoyment of the American public.

The eastern, mid-western and southern wild lands identified in this proposal are superior in quality to the western lands in that the paramount use in each case is primitive recreation, whereas in the west many parts of the named wilderness are used for commercial grazing. Where grazing occurs, it has a significant negative impact on many native animal and plant species living in that area. Native species need a secure area to establish a breeding population for raising young, for winter protection and for living in general. Protection of the riparian areas in the west, and in these most pristine and natural areas of the west in particular, can best be provided by permanently removing grazing from these national treasures. The bill provides for the elimination of commercial grazing on the 350 affected allotments in a manner that assists the rancher to find a new source of income through an Economic Transition Payment. The proposal also provides an extended time period for phasing out grazing to allow ranchers and permitees to phase out their business in a manner, which allows for the recovery of funds committed to long-term improvements. Another element of the proposal is to give every affected rancher first choice in moving to any vacant allotment. An additional provision provides for a BLM carrying capacity study for a winter allotment associated with a summer allotment phased out by this proposal. A key additional feature of the proposal is to provide added funds through an Early-Out Payment for the early retirement of grazing by any of the 350 allotees. The orderly procedures provided within the bill for removing grazing from the 2,300,000 affected acres, will return the land to a natural state while allowing affected ranchers an opportunity to adjust their investments and earning capabilities in a reasonable manner.

The termination of grazing will apply to the whole area of any allotment partially on and partially off the wilderness. The Forest Service will manage the newly grazing free area adjacent to the existing Wilderness Area within the Ecosystem Protection Area as a Primitive Area. There may be as much as 2,300,000 acres of grazing allotments outside Wilderness Areas in the eleven affected States. This area will become the new primitive area in those States. Primitive recreation and habitat for wildlife will be the paramount consideration and any other multiple use activity will only be authorized, if it reinforces the paramount considerations.

The proposal also contains provisions for State owned Ecosystem Protection Areas in States without a project named herein. Each of the nine States without a regular National Forest or National Grassland has expressed an interest in participating in this proposal. Eight of the nine have suggested one or more sites for a state owned and managed Ecosystem Protection Area.

A list of possible second round choices for Ecosystem Protection Areas has been developed for the remaining nine States and Puerto Rico.

The act also contains language compensating county governments for revenues lost as a result of this policy.

In summary the National Forest Ecosystem Protection Act designates forty-six major areas in thirty-three States for enhanced protection and expansion. The Primitive Areas surrounding the core Wilderness Areas will provide improved environmental protections and will guarantee the existence of large spectacular wild areas in every region of the United States.

Prepared by Habitat for Wildlife

There is more infomation on their web site than I could post here.

13 posted on 11/26/2002 11:00:28 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: cake_crumb
See my post #13.
14 posted on 11/26/2002 11:01:07 PM PST by farmfriend
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Sorry about the double ping, I wanted to get the other people on the list.
15 posted on 11/26/2002 11:02:42 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
"See my post #13"

Saw it. All I can say is good LORD, the environazis are still out to bust us all back into the Stone Age.

16 posted on 11/26/2002 11:06:16 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
the environazis are still out to bust us all back into the Stone Age.

Oh no, can't do that. That would require a quarry. Can't have any of that.

17 posted on 11/26/2002 11:09:57 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: B4Ranch
People should start suing these whackos for destroying their livlihoods.
18 posted on 11/26/2002 11:11:07 PM PST by BnBlFlag
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To: farmfriend
I also have to wonder just how much damage their "revivals", which include:

...do to that little "440 acre Greenfire Preserve on the East Fork of the Salmon River" while they "celebrate the start of riparian and upland restoration"? What, a herd of BIRDERS don't cause as much soil erosion as a few cattle?

OK...now I am definitely going to bed. Need a few hours sleep before battle.

19 posted on 11/26/2002 11:18:41 PM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
I also have to wonder just how much damage their "revivals", ....do

My guess is not much. If you look at their action site, they only have 34 members signed up.

20 posted on 11/26/2002 11:31:46 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie
RangeNet, PMB # 251, 2850 SW Cedar Hills Blvd., Beaverton, OR 97005

Wow, good work FF...I had no idea that the wildlands project was to the point of being proposed federal legislation. These guys at Range Net are bad news...hey Dave, isn't Beaverton up there by Eugene? Isn't that the college town where the anarchists and the ELF nut cases are based?

21 posted on 11/26/2002 11:40:04 PM PST by forester
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To: forester
Beaverton is just outside of Portland on the SWW side of Portland.

Eugene and Portland are infested with the enviral maggots from Alf/elf to the Club Sierra. Then they are all around the Portland Suburbs. Being an enviral whacko is big time for those with instant unemployment degrees. They don't have the education or skill to work at a real job, so they become enviral whackos and split the money they get from law suits.
22 posted on 11/26/2002 11:46:28 PM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: Carry_Okie
It's also time to start sueing these groups back. Too bad we can't get funding from Exxon or Chevron, eh?
23 posted on 11/27/2002 4:01:25 AM PST by snopercod
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To: farmfriend
At this size each of the named areas will be large enough to provide wild lands for the preservation of secure breeding populations of most species of wildlife and plants that live in that area now or formerly lived there and to provide very large wild lands for the enjoyment of the American public.

I can't wait to see mastadons again; the're so cute!
The grizz will have a frenzy in this area. It'll be like the lions in the collisium...
24 posted on 11/27/2002 6:11:26 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: B4Ranch
Starve the humans and the cattle, but save the fish gods!

"Thou shall not make for yourself an idol. Or any likeness of what is in the heaven above or on the earth beneath. Or IN THE WATER under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them...."
"Be fruitful, and SUBDUE the earth."

Gosh, is that considered "hate speach"?

The Bible warns us of demonic environmentalists.

25 posted on 11/27/2002 7:04:05 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: B4Ranch
Because I brought up the Bible....What would Jesus drive?

He was a carpenter, so he'd probably own a logging business today. He'd drive a huge logger truck!

For his personal vehicle, a huge van or SUV. He had 12 grown men to haul around with him, not to mention a few followers now and then.

Enviro-wacos ask really dumb questions.

26 posted on 11/27/2002 7:10:04 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: B4Ranch
And liberals use the dead fish to make their perfume.
27 posted on 11/27/2002 7:11:31 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
What would Jesus drive?

http://www.terexmining.com/productline.asp
28 posted on 11/27/2002 8:49:08 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: B4Ranch
Oh, my, these people just NEVER let up, do they?? I recall a sign I saw on my way into Jarbidge...."Humbolt-Toiybe National Forest- Land of MANY uses"....NOT if these fools can help it! And then another sign with pictures on the river telling anglers to just throw back the "bull trout" they catch. This is all a bunch of balderdash!
29 posted on 11/27/2002 9:23:50 AM PST by AuntB
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To: B4Ranch
I never saw one cow anywhere withing miles of that stupid little river....this entire thing really ticks me off.
30 posted on 11/27/2002 9:25:11 AM PST by AuntB
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To: concerned about politics
"and liberals use the dead fish to make their perfumes"....LOL!! I love it! Here's a Jarbidge story:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a396401210f95.htm

INCIDENT AT JARBIDGE

Source: Eye Witness

Published: July 5, 2000 Posted on 07/05/2000 20:46:41 PDT by AuntB

I recall in studies of Native Americans and the ensuing "Indian wars" many battles, massacres and land takeovers were referred to as "incidents". That's a polite term for a lot more sinister act. Absolute power, no matter what color, creed, religion it may be will take what it wants, whenever it is allowed. The indigenous tribes of this country had something the power wanted and it took it. The same strain of evil power in that part of our history has again reared it's ugly head. On July 3 and 4, 2000 some of the current indigenous tribes gathered in Jarbidge, Nevada and said ENOUGH.

You will be told by the so-called environmentalists, who only showed up at the last minute, that damage was done when some good Americans repaired a road destroyed at taxpayer expense by Bill Clinton and Bruce Babbitt's Federal Government. It's a lie. Many of us camped for days on the Jarbidge River to observe as citizen reporters. We studied for months the motives of the Elko Shovel Brigade. We studied documents. We talked to law enforcement, national, regional and local reporters, and citizens of Jarbidge. We experienced Jarbidge.

I missed meeting the man who spoke to national televised media as an "environmentalist" and praised this out-of-control government for destroying this little dirt road. You just had to be there. Maybe that's what Mr. Babbitt is counting on....that NO ONE will bother to show up to tell the rest of the country about these remote, meaningless little bergs that they seek to destroy. But, oh yes, it's only a crummy little dirt road, messing with the bull trout. The BULL part is correct. I wonder where the enviro-man would like to send the handful of residents of Jarbidge as he extols this governments corrupt actions. Perhaps the remnanats of some former tribe will share a reservation. Then Mr. Babbitt could mess with their funds as well. This is not about a "road". This is about people's lives. Their homes. And something that the power wants.

The Western States have little representation or electoral votes, so their concerns are not taken seriously by the politicians. In fact, they have no intention of letting us have a part of planning our lives, our homes, our futures.

Jarbidge is a half mile stretch with tiny stores, businesses, and homes along one road. Dirt road...the only way in and the only way out is many miles of dirt, rock, towering mountains and bottomless canyons. No pavement, not a black, sticky drop. This is not the area for the faint hearted. Gives new meaning to the word "remote". You really want to be there to bother ever getting there. 3 miles down the road are campgrounds that we stayed in at the road closure. Our camp was right on the river. The road closure was farther away from the river and the so called "endangered" fish. IF the enviro's and the administrations reason for closing is true then they MUST close off the entire road and close off Jarbidge. The entire community is on that river. That cute little white haired, 90 year old life-time resident is just gonna have to relocate! No big deal. Frankly, I doubt if 99.99% of the country would ever want to go there, let alone LIVE there. Well, I suppose, that's a mute point testified to by the 25 year-round residents of Jarbidge.

Like I said, you had to be there. Where do you suppose Enviro-man and the ol' enviro-broads live? How about, ummmm......San Diego! Percentage wise they should be willingly let go of Disneyland. Bulldoze it! Call in the Forest Service. If they don't trash it, they'll burn it. Do you have any idea how much natural habitat is being destroyed by Disney?!!That used to be Orange groves! Oranges, after all, are getting harder to get! Then bill Orange County a few billion for messing it up! So the San Diegans loose 10% of their community...it's for the greater good.

Go home, Enviro-man! Go back to your corrupt resort city on the rim of Grand Canyon, Mr. Babbitt. Let these people live like they've lived for decades in a place they love and treat like it is loved. More than YOU will ever dream of loving a piece of land. It's THEIR road. They NEVER harmed their river. They're not tellin you how to live, or where..... Where you may travel and on what road. Some things never change, like evil power. Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce said it best:

"PERHAPS YOU THINK THE CREATOR SENT YOU HERE TO DISPOSE OF US AS YOU SEE FIT. IF I THOUGHT YOU WERE SENT BY THE CREATOR I MIGHT BE INDUCED TO THINK YOU HAD A RIGHT TO DISPOSE OF ME. DO NO MISUNDERSTAND ME, BUT UNDERSTAND ME FULLY WITH REFERENCE TO MY AFFECTIONS FOR THE LAND. I NEVER SAID THE LAND WAS MINE TO DO WITH IT AS I CHOSE. THE ONE WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO DISPOSE OF IT IS THE ONE WHO HAS CREATED IT. I CLAIM A RIGHT TO LIVE ON MY OWN LAND, AND ACCORD YOU THE PRIVILEGE TO LIVE ON YOURS."

THE WEST LIVES. The "INCIDENT" that is trying to happen to Jarbidge has been exposed. GO home, where ever that may be and leave these people alone to care for THER HOME.

THE SOUTH CANYON ROAD IS OPEN.

31 posted on 11/27/2002 9:36:15 AM PST by AuntB
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To: B4Ranch
I wish these environmentalist wackos were an endangered species.
32 posted on 11/27/2002 9:58:50 AM PST by ohioman
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To: B4Ranch
Time to just go throw dynamite in every water hole on the creek - end of endangered species problem! Next question?
33 posted on 11/27/2002 3:50:26 PM PST by Issaquahking
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Ping
34 posted on 11/27/2002 4:05:14 PM PST by Issaquahking
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To: Issaquahking
Just a half stick will do the trick.
35 posted on 11/27/2002 4:23:57 PM PST by B4Ranch
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To: forester
Yes John Marvel started up in Sun Valley bidding against ranchers for grazing allotments. He is wealthy and got a bunch of these allotments and made a name for himself.

In the press I have started calling these and other eco-idiots the Eco-Tally-BAN because they want to tally up as many bans as the can. They don't like the moniker much.

I have also signed up for eco-activist e-mail so I can respond to their to their plans in a more timely maner.

Daryl Hunter - Upper Valley Free Press

36 posted on 11/28/2002 6:54:26 AM PST by Daryl L.Hunter
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To: Daryl L.Hunter
Did you click on the Range Net homepage posted in Farmfriends post? These people are getting pretty bold with this stuff IMHO.

I clicked on your homepage, but the sidebar wasn't working. Saw enough of the web page to recognize where you live. I spent the summer of 1986 working as a contract timber cruiser on the Targhee National Forest. Seeing it was before the fires, we inventoried acres and acres of dead lodgepole pine around Island Park, West Yellowstone and on the mountains east of Ashton. Beautiful country, and great people....too bad jerks like John Marvel are trying to destroy it.

37 posted on 11/28/2002 10:45:55 PM PST by forester
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To: farmfriend
They will never quit will they? Well I will tell you one thing - neither will we!!! Whatever it takes. Has anybody e-mailed Rush or O'Reilly on this? When they bring back the dinasours maybe they will be happy - then the humans will be endangered and they can start the reversal of it all. Thanks for all the good info. I will definitely be following this one.
38 posted on 11/29/2002 11:44:07 AM PST by isasis
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To: forester
Well Forester, they pretty much shut down the logging here around 92. LP closed their mill in Ashton and if you do get some little timber sale you have to send the logs to Montana for milling.

If the side bar on my site didn't work your flash plugin may not be working, it is a flash file. click on link below it will take you straignt to the eco-tally-ban page.

Eco-Tally-Ban

Daryl Hunter - Citizens For A Freer America

39 posted on 11/29/2002 2:48:11 PM PST by Daryl L.Hunter
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To: Carry_Okie
Note to self: Time to start building databases of the boards of directors of these groups.

We've been doing that for some time, as well as identifying the sources of much of their funding. Accordingly, you may find much of the info at this link to be of interest.

-archy-/-

40 posted on 11/30/2002 12:22:48 PM PST by archy
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To: archy
ActivistCash.com is a great effort, but pretty limited in terms of the number of groups it follows.
41 posted on 11/30/2002 6:38:18 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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