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To Condi, with sweetness
presenceofmind.net ^ | November 28, 2002 | Greg Swann

Posted on 11/28/2002 8:02:12 AM PST by Greg Swann

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1 posted on 11/28/2002 8:02:13 AM PST by Greg Swann
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To: Greg Swann
I agree wholeheartedly!
2 posted on 11/28/2002 8:30:23 AM PST by What Is Ain't
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To: Greg Swann
I like it!

Rice in 2008? Maybe...

However, I think after the next election she should go back to her homestate of California, WIN THE GOVERNORSHIP, and then - having won an important office in a general election - enter the Republican presidential primaries.

Ronald Reagan did it, she can too.
3 posted on 11/28/2002 8:37:36 AM PST by tictoc
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To: Greg Swann
There's a lot to what you say, but I would prefer to downplay the symbolism angle. The fact is that Dr. Rice is an unusually competent, principled and determined human being. That is what will qualify her for the Presidency. Stressing her gender and skin color lends support to the inevitable Democrat cries of tokenism.

Just as they were able to spin (and successfully sell) the lie that the Clinton Impeachment was all about sex, and not about perjury, they will try to say that Dr. Rice's candidacy is all about tokenism and not about her fitness for the office. With enough stressing of symbolism by the right, they may even be able to sell it.

Look for the Dems to brand her as a Bee-atch, a N----- and a Ho. How will the enlightened left get away with it? They'll put their House N-----s (Belafonte's term) up to it, that's how.
4 posted on 11/28/2002 9:20:06 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Greg Swann
I wonder why she so consistently gets a "bye" on apparently favoring rights for blacks, but not for inconvenient or imperfect babies. Seems to me that's a problem, and we're not so hard-up that we can pretend it isn't.

That aside, I'd be gearing up for enthusiastic-enough support. But someone who can't figure out that babies should be welcomed and protect, hasn't the ethical smarts to govern.

Dan

5 posted on 11/28/2002 9:24:05 AM PST by BibChr
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To: BibChr
So Hillary can count on your vote, then?
6 posted on 11/28/2002 9:26:01 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Your screenie leads one to hope for deeper thought.

Hillary can count on my opposition. Condi can count on me to be among those who DEMAND clarity, candor, and moral sense on this issue. Condi can count on me NOT to give her a bye simply because she's pretty, articulate, and black. Condi can count on me to DEMAND that she meet the same requirements I would demand of any other politician asking for my support.

And if she fails, she can on me strongly to support another candidate in the primaries.

Whether the GOP wants to commit suicide at the election itself, we shall see.

Dan

7 posted on 11/28/2002 9:30:50 AM PST by BibChr
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To: BibChr
But who would you vote for?
8 posted on 11/28/2002 9:31:37 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Who should I?
9 posted on 11/28/2002 9:36:45 AM PST by BibChr
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To: Greg Swann
Huge bumps for this one - superbly done. Thank you.
10 posted on 11/28/2002 9:37:20 AM PST by lodwick
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To: Greg Swann
I think this essay is outstanding and I will visit your website.
11 posted on 11/28/2002 9:40:03 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: BibChr
In a race between Hillary and Rice, you should vote for Rice. Rice may not advance your agenda, but Hillary would do her best to destroy it.
12 posted on 11/28/2002 9:46:20 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist
I am of the opinion that Mr. Swann was not recommending that we stress her symbolism but, rather, that it was just there and it was obvious without fanfare.

A President Rice would be a strong affirmation of the values of the middle class: Study hard, work hard, show up on time, follow-through, keep a nice home, pay your bills, and raise gracious, thoughtful, hard-working children who understand and honor middle class values. ....... And Condoleezza the president would do two wonderful things for feminism: She would demonstrate that the battle is already won. And she would silence, at least for an instant, the perpetual victims who whine that the battle can never be won......... But the single most vital and valuable treasure that a Condoleezza Rice presidency could present to America, and to the world, is this: She could shout down Islam without saying a word......... But as good as she might be, she will be still better for having been a symbol for everything that is right with the West, and everything that is irredeemably wrong with the East......... The West can change--the West thrives by changing--and the East never can. A President Condoleezza Rice, a conservative black woman president of the United States of America, would make that argument more eloquently than any book ever could...... As an intellectual and an ideologue, she stands for important principles, proud and profound, firm and fixed. But as a symbol, she represents the great tree of Liberty, fully grown from the seed sown so long ago in Athens. Where we had been ignorant--about gender, about race, about creed--we have grown wise. But the West has grown wise because the West can grow wise--can question its premises, can revise its errors, can learn to live better and do better and be better....... A Condoleezza Rice presidency would sing the song of the West, the promise and the potential and the realization. A Condoleezza Rice presidency would sing the unprecedented, unduplicated, unutterable glory of the West--the one place on Earth where each of us can find our own song. And then sing it, loud and proud. With sweetness.

As Mr. Thomas Jefferson said, "These truths are self-evident." and they are symbols with out being declared such.

13 posted on 11/28/2002 9:55:28 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Greg Swann
Bump to keep an eye on this one. (Thanks.)
14 posted on 11/28/2002 9:55:47 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
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To: Physicist
You've a point worth considering. I wish you gave more evidence of considering mine.

Plus this: the country club GOP set doesn't want to soil its white gloves with ugly little social issues. Issues like ~1.5 million slaughtered babies per annum. If we, the electorate, tell them in effect, "Okay, fine, not a big issue with us; just give us pretty people," will they select and develop candidates championing that issue, among the other important issues?

Dan

15 posted on 11/28/2002 10:09:54 AM PST by BibChr
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Condi Rice - Pres.
Tony Garza - VP
2008 - Yes!

I like it!

Liberty



16 posted on 11/28/2002 10:17:48 AM PST by Liberty Valance
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To: Greg Swann
The Republicans will be nuts if they don't run Condi in '08. She has the potential to change everything, and she would make an excellent president.

Not sure if she'll agree to run, but maybe...
17 posted on 11/28/2002 10:26:29 AM PST by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry
If Cheney doesnt run for VP in 2004 I always thought she should get the nod. I hope she runs for Pres in 2008 too.
18 posted on 11/28/2002 10:29:59 AM PST by Jon Geb
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To: tictoc
However, I think after the next election she should go back to her homestate of California, WIN THE GOVERNORSHIP

I agree here.

19 posted on 11/28/2002 10:33:24 AM PST by The Other Harry
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To: BibChr
And if she fails, she can count on me strongly to support another candidate in the primaries.

Well, I guess that about sinks any hope she may have.

If we are to be one issue voters then Alan Keyes is our man on the abortion issue. I supported, worked, and voted for him in the 2,000 primaries. Bottomline, he didn't make much of a showing although I think he was right on all issues. Yet, I didn't slash my wrists nor throw away my vote in protest during the general election. I vote Bush and I am glad I did. I didn't do it because he was pro-life, though, but because he was the best choice with a chance to win.

20 posted on 11/28/2002 11:51:49 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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