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The Making of LBJ; A review of Caro's The Years of Lyndon Johnson: Master of the Senate
Claremont Review of Books ^ | September 9, 2002 | Steven F. Hayward

Posted on 11/28/2002 12:37:04 PM PST by Torie

The Making of LBJ A review of The Years of Lyndon Johnson: Master of the Senate, by Robert A. Caro.

By Steven F. Hayward

Posted September 9, 2002

This review appears in the Fall 2002 issue of the Claremont Review of Books.

"All through lyndon johnson's political life," Robert Caro writes near the end of this magisterial volume covering Lyndon Johnson's Senate years (1949-1960), "there had been striking evidence not only of compassion but of something that could make compassion meaningful: signs of a most unusual capacity, a very rare gift, for using the powers of government to help the downtrodden and the dispossessed."

There, in one sentence, is both what is wrong with Johnson and what is wrong with Caro's otherwise extraordinary biography, a lifetime project that has now reached its third volume. There is nothing at all "rare" about using the power of government—that is, using other people's money—to ameliorate the sufferings of Americans. It is the epitome of modern liberalism, and is the defining feature of American politics today—so much so that our current president feels it necessary to define himself as a "compassionate conservative," which is hard to distinguish from a low-budget liberal.

Johnson's only "rare gift" was his supreme success at finding new ways to institutionalize the spending of other people's money. Most of that success came during his presidency, which Caro will treat in future installments. Caro's first two volumes, The Path to Power and Means of Ascent, are highly critical of Johnson, offering juicy details about the many loathsome features of his character and behavior. This volume, too, is frank in its description of LBJ as power-hungry, cruel, bigoted, ruthless, deceitful, vain, grasping, and even "immoral." He urinated in public, raged at and belittled his staff, used racist epithets with abandon, stole elections, and collected prodigious sums of campaign money in cash (how much of it may have ended up in Johnson's own pocket Caro does not speculate). And yet the LBJ who emerges from Caro's pages atones for these sins through his compassion and his skill at making the dysfunctional U.S. Senate work, as Caro supposes the American Founders meant it to work. Despite Johnson's pettiness, power-seeking, and unvarnished ambition, Caro puts him on a plane nearly equal to Lincoln: "He was to be the President who, above all Presidents save Lincoln, codified compassion, the President who wrote mercy and justice into the statute books by which America was governed."

To be sure, Johnson's Senate career presents a spectacle of unparalleled political mastery, worthy of close study. And Caro's exhaustive researches and fine-grained narrative are a marvel of the biographer's art. (His book makes you appreciate the smallness of the most recent Senate majority leaders, Tom Daschle and Trent Lott.) Yet Caro's description of Johnson's Senate years cannot sustain LBJ on such a high plateau. This may not be an accident or inconsistency, however. Caro's approach to LBJ, as many critics have observed, is ambiguous, despite the comparisons to Lincoln (which Caro makes more than once).

Some reviewers (Ronald Steel in The Atlantic, for example) argue that Caro has difficulty understanding or accepting political power. There is much to this criticism. His majestic tale of Johnson could be a cautionary tale of the hazards of power—the hazards to one's own soul, and to a nation when too much power is accumulated in the government. The deeper source of Caro's ambiguity is the intellectual problem LBJ poses for liberals. As civil rights leader Roy Wilkins succinctly put it: "With Johnson, you never quite knew if he was out to lift your heart or your wallet." Caro's praise and partial admiration for LBJ owes to Caro's filtering Johnson through a sympathetic liberal lens, portraying LBJ as an agent in the progressive march toward greater "social justice," a phrase that Caro uses frequently in the expository sections of his narrative.

His attempt to redeem Johnson appears to be part of a quiet trend. Reflecting on the ineptitude of the Carter presidency and the fecklessness of the Clinton presidency has led many liberals to begin reappraising Johnson in a more favorable light. His Great Society delivered more landmark social legislation than even FDR's New Deal. The disaster of Vietnam and the unrest in the streets in the 1960s, which together fractured the Democratic Party, eclipsed this record for a long time. Yet the judgment John Kenneth Galbraith offered in 1967 is reasserting itself: "Our gains under the Johnson administration on civil rights outweigh our losses on behalf of Marshall Ky."

That liberals, who distrusted Johnson in the Senate and then hated him in the White House, might come to regard Johnson as their most worthy modern champion is a startling irony. It also presents a huge intellectual problem. Unless it is assumed that "character doesn't matter," a way must be found to lessen Johnson's ugliness. Caro finds it in Johnson's maneuvering in 1957 to break the hitherto invincible Southern filibuster against civil rights legislation.

Johnson arrived in the senate in 1949 as a full-throated adherent to the Southern cause. He attacked desegregation and civil rights in his 1948 campaign (in statements he suppressed in the 1960s), and his maiden speech in the Senate was titled "We of the South." He immediately fell in with Georgia Senator Richard Russell, the captain of the Southern opposition to all civil rights legislation, and, Caro believes, attended meetings of the Southern Caucus, the regular gathering where Southern Senators would plot strategy. (Johnson also denied this in later years.) Johnson immediately distinguished himself in the Senate as someone who understood how to accumulate power around him and get things done. Some of these "accomplishments" were dubious at best, such as his Red-baiting attack on Federal Power Commission chairman Leland Olds, providing the model for Joseph McCarthy several years later. Caro records LBJ telling Olds after having engineered the destruction of his career: "Lee, I hope you understand there's nothing personal in this. We're still friends, aren't we? It's only politics, you know."

More significant in Caro's narrative is Johnson's decision to pursue the party leadership post in the Senate, hitherto the graveyard of Senate reputations and careers. Caro's account of Johnson's years as majority leader is superb. No one could read a man—understand his motives, his weaknesses (and therefore how to get his vote)—like Johnson. "If you liked politics," Hubert Humphrey remarked, "it was like sitting at the feet of a giant." Caro's summary judgment is that "Johnson transformed the Senate, pulled a nineteenth-century—indeed, in many respects an eighteenth-century—body into the twentieth century."

Johnson's decision to break with the South and midwife the 1957 Civil Rights Act is portrayed throughout the book as a naked political calculation on Johnson's part. Even with Johnson's already legendary skills at manipulating the Senate, it still seemed like an impossible task. Yet there were many reasons why the political interests fell into line. If LBJ was ever going to have a chance of becoming President, he had to be acceptable to Northern liberals in the Democratic Party—"You got to clean him up on civil rights," in the words of liberal lawyer Joseph Rauh. Southerners were willing to go along because they recognized that Johnson was the only Southerner with a realistic chance to reach the White House, where, Richard Russell assumed, LBJ would protect the interests of the South. Johnson found the lowest common denominator—a weak voting rights bill that Caro himself admits had little effect on black voting registration in Southern states. From this nakedly cynical and self-serving stratagem Caro makes Johnson into "the greatest champion that the liberal senators . . . had had since, almost a century before, there had been a President named Lincoln."

Caro's evaluation of LBJ depends on a historical premise, that because of the filibuster rules the Senate prior to Johnson had ceased to operate as the Founders intended. In fact, Caro writes a synoptic history of the Senate that precedes the main narrative about Johnson, arguing that the Senate had become "a mighty dam standing athwart, and stemming, the tides of social justice…. [The Senate] empowered, with an immense power, the forces of conservatism and reaction in America." Caro's "underbook" about the Senate concludes that the long-running Southern filibuster against civil rights was not a geographic anomaly but the essence of the Senate at work. With this premise, Caro reveals himself to be a relic of Progressivism. LBJ comes to sight in Caro's narrative as a supremely talented man bobbing like a cork on the tides of history. This is the basis for both LBJ's greatness and his shortcomings, as is evident in Caro's ambivalent comments such as "there were times when [LBJ's] interests coincided with America's interests." The repeated comparison to Lincoln is instructive. In Caro's hands LBJ was plainly not imbued with great purpose like Lincoln or even like Franklin or Theodore Roosevelt, nor does he have the even-tempered virtues of Eisenhower or Gerald Ford. Instead, LBJ's success derived from the happy confluence of the tides of history and personal ambition. Abraham Lincoln came to his views about slavery and equality because of a principled understanding of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence. Johnson, by contrast, said that "It's not the job of a politician to go around saying principled things." The Constitution, Johnson remarked, is a series of compromises, and this statement suggests that Johnson had little awareness of or regard for the principles behind those compromises.

Caro's historicist premise makes it impossible to draw meaningful distinctions between Lincoln and LBJ—and will make it impossible, further along in Caro's epic account, for him to distinguish between civil rights law informed by the principles of natural right and civil rights distorted by the ideology of egalitarianism. While Master of the Senate clearly foreshadows LBJ's troubled presidency, it also fills readers with skepticism about how Caro will judge the defects of Johnson's Great Society.

Master of the Senate ends with a vignette that captures the problem with Johnson in a way that Caro probably doesn't fully appreciate. After the election of 1960, which elevated Johnson to the vice presidency, Johnson went to the Senate Democratic Caucus before resigning his seat and attempted to get the consent of his fellow Senators to continue presiding over the caucus and, in effect, still run the Senate. He was startled when his fellow Senators rebuffed this brazen invitation to violate the separation of powers. It is hard to decide whether LBJ's greater failing here was lack of respect for constitutional principle, or his complete misreading of his former colleagues. For someone renowned for his ability to read other men, this failure of perception is stunning.

Caro dwells on this episode only as a marker of how fast Johnson lost his political clout on the way to an unhappy vice presidency. But it anticipates the problem that should be at the center of Caro's forthcoming volumes on Johnson's presidency: how could such an astute politician persist for so many years in misjudging the nature of his most determined political enemy, North Vietnam's Ho Chi Minh? Johnson's White House aide John P. Roche wrote years after LBJ died that he could not make Johnson understand that Ho Chi Minh was a dedicated Leninist. Johnson, Roche recalls, kept asking, "'What does Ho want?' as if Ho were a mayor of Chicago holding out for five new post offices." Such a question could only come from a man for whom politics is merely a nihilistic series of deals, utterly without any principled ground. Although the Vietnam mess is behind us, much of the Johnson legacy in domestic policy, especially the unprincipled civil rights legacy of affirmative action, is still with us. Caro's thorough narrative will be well worth waiting for, but Master of the Senate leaves us with the feeling that he will resolve neither his ambivalence nor our doubts about this giant figure.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; corruption; lbj; lyndonjohnson; senate
I agree with this review only in part. Johnson was not that Left Wing in his Senate years, in part because his power was derived from Richard Russell and the Southern Caucus, and in part because he decided to align himself with Eisenhower to point up the tensions between Senate Republicans and the President on many matters. In addition, the Senate was a largely dysfunctional body after the civil war, that was usually in gridlock, and that is not always a good thing. LBJ transformed the place, and made it work more effectively. But the man was a sociopath, and would eschew nothing, no matter how tawdy, illegal, and/or immoral to further his power. He was also a paradigm of Churchill's description of the Germans: he was either at your throat or at your feet, and rarely anything inbetween. And that is an understandment. When he was at your feet, he was prostrate and sucking your toe. When he was at your throat, he preferred simply knawing at your neck with sharp teeth until decapitation, the greater was his pleasure for it. He also enjoyed humiliating his staff at every opportunity, and therefore had great trouble retaining anyone of any talent. He had John Connelly for awhile, but he got out early on.

The review also does not adequately cover the dynamics of the 1957 Civil Rights battle. The play on the ground was that the Republicans wanted a tough bill in order to continue their inroads on the black vote in the North that Eisenhower had cut deeply into in 1956. They wanted the Southerners to filibuster it, and kill it, and then use it as an issue. Nixon was the major force behind this strategy. Johnson wanted to get a bill passed, to burnish his credentials in the North for a presidential run, and foil Nixon's strategy, but to do that he needed to eviscerate it, to get Southern support (the Southerns were willing to go for a fig leaf in order to assist Johnson's presidential ambitions). Johnson accomplished both: the evisceration and then its passage. TO get his toothless Civil Right's Bill passed, be blackmailed or bought off a few Pubbies, and bought off Western state Democrats (who had almost no black voters to contend with and were thus malliable) by giving them a subsidized public power bill. That got liberal icons like Franch Church and Mike Mansfield on board. He also had Hubert Humphrey in his pocket when he needed him, a chap whom he had long since castrated and tamed into a creature of his will.

And there you have it.

1 posted on 11/28/2002 12:37:04 PM PST by Torie
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To: jwalsh07; sinkspur; x; deport; Dog Gone; Bigun; Texasforever; Nonstatist; crasher; AntiGuv; ...
For your reading pleasure John, regarding a president about whom we are both not indifferent. Ping to the others who might be interested.
2 posted on 11/28/2002 12:40:36 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
"With Johnson, you never quite knew if he was out to lift your heart or your wallet."

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He would manipulate both to his advantage.

3 posted on 11/28/2002 12:54:57 PM PST by RLK
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To: Torie
I think it is best to fully judge Caro's biographies of Johnson after his fourth and final volume about LBJ's presidency is published. I do note that Johnson cooperated quite a bit with Eisenhower since he realized that Ike was popular with the public. Daschle is so clueless that he couldn't figure this out even though he supposedly read Master of The Senate.
4 posted on 11/28/2002 12:56:40 PM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: Torie
bump for later reading.
I think Caro took a more sympathic look at LBJ in the 3rd book as in the 2nd you walked away thinking LBJ was nothing more than a vote stealing scroundel.
When he came to talk here in Seattle some months ago on part of a book tour (and since winning a Book Award I believe he'll be on tour again) he brought up on the radio twice and in his talk again LBJ's helping out of the Mexican janitor down in Patula (Cotula?) when Johnson was a teacher. The "he just wants to help out" became really thin the 3rd time I heard it -- if Caro himself can't find another compassionate moment in LBJ's life then who can?
5 posted on 11/28/2002 12:58:21 PM PST by lelio
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To: Torie
... a man for whom politics is merely a nihilistic series of deals, utterly without any principled ground.

And that is the essence of Lyndon Johnson, probably the worst, and most unprincipled, president of the United States ... his evil legacy lives on after him to this very day.

6 posted on 11/28/2002 1:03:56 PM PST by SamKeck
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To: lelio
Ronald Reagan received hundreds of lettersa a day, and answered his mail. In fact, I have a letter from him.

He received a letter from a soldier in Viet Nam during the war asking Reagan to tell his wife he loved her. Several days later Reagan showed up in front of his wife's door. When she opened it he said, "Hello, I'm Ronald Reagan. Your husband loves you." He gave her a dozen roses, smiled, and walked off. Almost nobody knew about it until publication of of the Schweizer book.

7 posted on 11/28/2002 1:19:40 PM PST by RLK
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To: Torie
LBJ is a real toughie for the liberals to deal with.

Most of his legacy is an unmitigated disaster: Viet Nam, the War on Poverty, the much overlooked budget unification act -- when the Social Security budget was consolidated with the government operating budget, so that we could "afford" both a War in Viet Nam and a War on Poverty. All illustrate the utter failure of "good intentions".

Meanwhile, all the positive parts of his legacy (the Civil Rights Act, e.g.) were fostered by cynical, self-serving political calculation -- i.e., "bad intentions".

As a nation, and on balance, we would be better off without LBJ and his dubious works.

8 posted on 11/28/2002 2:38:44 PM PST by okie01
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To: Torie
Good review. Caro has a lot of the 1950s or 1960s liberal in his make-up. It's hard to be that naive about political "compassion" today, but that was the religion of liberals forty years ago.

It's striking but not surprising that Johnson wanted to maintain his Senate leadership position as Vice President. One would have thought that LBJ would rig things so as to keep the power and exercise it behind the scenes after he left the Senate. But I guess he wasn't quite as clever as he liked to think himself.

But really, starting the list of his offenses with public urination is hardly fair. For those were different times with different manners, indeed. Another review (continued here} has a more entertaining -- or repellent -- story about Johnson's, er ... Johnson, whom he apparently called "Jumbo."

9 posted on 11/28/2002 2:46:05 PM PST by x
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To: SamKeck
"Lyndon Johnson, probably the worst, and most unprincipled, president of the United States"

No. Close perhaps, but not quite.

10 posted on 11/28/2002 3:11:13 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: x
But really, starting the list of his offenses with public urination is hardly fair. For those were different times with different manners, indeed.

Perhaps, but I'm not so sure about that. After all, we do have the more recent evidence regarding the public urination of James Carville that would lead one to conclude that bird of a feather, meaning Carville and Johnson, undoubtedly do flock ... and most certainly without regard to either public manners or mores.

11 posted on 11/28/2002 4:17:51 PM PST by SamKeck
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To: x
Yes I thought it was rude of Caro to mention LBJ's public urination, unless he did it in the WH flowerbeds. Men raised in the country think nothing of urinating out doors on their own property.
12 posted on 11/28/2002 4:23:07 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ditter
Bumping myself for a later read.
13 posted on 11/28/2002 4:31:33 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Savage Beast
We, of the Bill-Clinton-is-the-Antichrist Society, thank you for your support!


14 posted on 11/28/2002 5:11:44 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Ditter
In all likelihood his reference to "urinating in public" was a typo. What he meant was that LBJ urinated on urban America and American fighting men.
15 posted on 11/28/2002 5:39:25 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: okie01
He was also another RAT prez that enriched himself through corrupt "donations" he got in exchange for favors to the donors. He made Klintoon look look a piker at taking graft. He was nothing more than an impoverished Texan school teacher at the start and ended up a multi-millionnaire, like the Felon, but LBJ was a better thief.

LBJ was also an immoralist, like JFK and the Felon, using WH secretaries as his personal concubines. RATS are all scum, but put them in the Oval Office and they become sewer scum.

16 posted on 11/28/2002 5:43:11 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: Paulus Invictus
"He [LBJ] made Klintoon look look a piker at taking graft."

He was corrupt. Very, very corrupt. He would do almost anything for almost anybody, so long as it enriched and/or empowered him.

But LBJ had some standards. I don't think he ever sold out his country for campaign cash.

17 posted on 11/28/2002 6:03:25 PM PST by okie01
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To: Torie
It amazes me that Caro could come to love Johnson, a man of very dubious accomplishments who represents everything evil in American politics. Then take a look at Caro's seminal work, "The Power Broker." In that work he obviously despises Robert Moses and casts doubt on all of his accomplishments. Moses' list of accomplishments was completely brushed over, Jones Beach, L.I Expressway, Northern State Pkway, The Triboro, Throgs Neck, Whitestone, Verrazano bridges to name a few. The UN, The Westside Hway and the list goes on and on.

He created the modern suburb and so much of the way we live and work today is a result of his genius. Yet Caro comes to hate Moses and all he stands for.

18 posted on 11/28/2002 6:07:08 PM PST by appeal2
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To: appeal2
Caro did not, and does not, love Johnson. He was/is a persona non gratia among true blue Johnson loyalists, including Lady Bird. He views him as a man of enormous weaknesses and strengths, very flawed but not evil. I take a harsher view, but then Caro is indeed more of a liberal than I, and more generous, and less bothered perhaps by the way one uses means of questionable propriety to achieve ends. But he is fair, and his point of view does not detract from the narrative of this marvelous book. Caro is simply a superb writer and story teller, who has obviously expended enormous effort to create a fascinating tapestry. The book is a must read.
19 posted on 11/28/2002 6:28:06 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
I don't mean to say that he came to love the man, but rather that his accomplishment towards "social justice" somehow made up for the man's evils. I just saw Caro on TV talking about the book and he was just so proud of Johnson's civil rights accomplishments that they were somehow the result of some compassionate core of the man. But the fact is civil rights was all part of Johnson's grand scheme to become president.
20 posted on 11/28/2002 6:41:07 PM PST by appeal2
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To: Torie
As civil rights leader Roy Wilkins succinctly put it: "With Johnson, you never quite knew if he was out to lift your heart or your wallet."

This is what makes the Democrats the political party of choice among sociopaths.
21 posted on 11/28/2002 6:42:17 PM PST by houstonian
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To: Torie
"It's not the job of a politician to go around saying principled things."

What a great line!

22 posted on 11/28/2002 6:48:31 PM PST by u-89
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To: appeal2
Actually, Caro in his book has no illusions about the 1957 Civil Rights Bill, and readily admits that its symbolic usefulness was secured due to Johnson's ambitions, and not from any principled moral imperative on his part. Perhaps Caro was referring to the 1965 Civil Rights Act, which was the real deal, and per subsequent court interpretations, became something of a monster despite the fundamental good that it achieved, and the moral imperative which demanded it.
23 posted on 11/28/2002 6:48:48 PM PST by Torie
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To: appeal2
I just saw Caro on TV talking about the book and he was just so proud of Johnson's civil rights accomplishments that they were somehow the result of some compassionate core of the man.

Caro is unashamedly liberal. That being said it is human nature to project our hopes and good will on to others that we like or support. If we like a particular leader than his actions reflect upon us as we support him. It is basic instinct, self preservation, to then put the best appearance forward of those to whom we attach. This can be seen in extreme cases like Clinton defenders with their bunker mentality support of the man through overwhelming evidence of his malfeasance. So with Caro he sees good in the results of Johnson's career. He is able to see the real character of the man yet tries to redeem him. Not surprising. Still Caro is a good writer and a researcher of intense ambition. He is worth the time it takes to read him.

24 posted on 11/28/2002 7:06:26 PM PST by u-89
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To: jwalsh07
No, I'll bet Caro meant he urinated outside. Remember the big deal the press made about Pres Carter's brother Billy urinating on the tarmac while he was waiting for a plane to land at night?
25 posted on 11/28/2002 8:08:34 PM PST by Ditter
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To: u-89
I agree that Caro is a gifted researcher and has the ability to get to the heart of the matter. Rather I believe that he's become a liberal apologist.
26 posted on 11/28/2002 8:45:18 PM PST by appeal2
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To: Torie
Excellent post. Thank you.

Johnson's White House aide John P. Roche wrote years after LBJ died that he could not make Johnson understand that Ho Chi Minh was a dedicated Leninist. Johnson, Roche recalls, kept asking, "'What does Ho want?' as if Ho were a mayor of Chicago holding out for five new post offices." Such a question could only come from a man for whom politics is merely a nihilistic series of deals, utterly without any principled ground.

Fascinating. The one thing that completely befuddled Johnson was a man who wanted power for the sake of a deeply held principle, even if that principle was an evil ones. In the end politics is about principles. Johnson's number one principle was self-advancement at all cost, and feeding his own perverse carnal desires for sex and power.

27 posted on 11/28/2002 10:18:27 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: RLK
What a great story.

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Reagan had an organ transplant flown to the patient in a fighter jet. Have you run across that, or am I mistaken?

No doubt you have heard the story of Frances Green from California.

28 posted on 11/28/2002 10:23:35 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Reagan had an organ transplant flown to the patient in a fighter jet. Have you run across that, or am I mistaken? No doubt you have heard the story of Frances Green from California.

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I an not aware of either of the stories. However, knowing Reagan, the first story could very well be true.

29 posted on 11/28/2002 10:28:21 PM PST by RLK
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To: RLK
Well, then I get the pleasure of telling it! :) The story can be found in Peggy Noonan's bio of Reagan When Character Was King.

Frances Green was an 83 year-old woman who lived in California. She lived in a bad neighborhood, and survived on Social Security. For eight years she had been sending perhaps a dollar a month to the Republican National Committee. She did it because she loved Ronald Reagan.

One day in the mail she received a very nice fund-raising letter from the RNC as she was on their list from her tiny donations. It "invited" her to meet the President at the White House. Of course you had to be a donor of considerable size to rate that privilege. Frances Green didn't notice that part. She assumed that the RNC was inviting her to meet President Reagan because of her faithful giving all these years.

Frances Green was thrilled. So she took every cent she had an purchased a four-day train ticket to Washington. She could not afford a room so she slept in a seat in coach. She reached the White House on the appointed day and got in line with the tourists. She was refused entrance because her name was not on the list.

Frances Green was confused and her spirits were crushed. Didn't they understand that she had been invited? Fortunately, an executive from the Ford Motor Company was also standing in line, and got her story. He asked her to stay in town for a few days while he did what he could for her.

The executive spoke to some of Reagan's staff, and the story was run up the chain of command to Reagan's personal secretary Kathy Osborne, who told the Old Man. Reagan said to bring her in and they set the time.

The Ford executive gave Frances Green a tour of the White House, but was worried that she would never get to meet the President. Ed Meese had resigned that day and the White House was a bit chaotic.

They stood outside the Oval Office as the NSC and various Generals walked out. Reagan saw them standing there and motioned Ms. Greene inside.

He said: "Frances! Those darn computers, they fouled up again. If I'd have known you were coming I'd have come out there to get you myself."

And he sat down with her and gave her time on that busy day. And that says more about his character than anything else.

If that doesn't put a lump in your throat you need to check your pulse. :)

30 posted on 11/28/2002 11:18:34 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
I can believe Reagan would do it.
31 posted on 11/28/2002 11:47:35 PM PST by RLK
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To: Torie
BUMP to read !
32 posted on 11/29/2002 3:03:30 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Zack Nguyen
Johnson's number one principle was self-advancement at all cost, and feeding his own perverse carnal desires for sex and power.
You hit the nail firmly on the head with that one. After reading the 3 volumes I wondered what made LBJ tick and that's what I came up with: the next deal and how he was going to screw someone out of something.
And that's why LBJ's presidency was such a failure: he could no longer be the "professional son" (see his relationships to his father, FDR, Sam Rayburn, Richard Russel) he had to stand on his own principles and lead people. He had none and the world came collasping down on him.
Your post about Ho Chi Minh was interesting. I'm trying to think of a time when LBJ met a principled politician (and I'm talking zealotly principled, like Ho) and dealt with them in a manner that's not like horse trading. When the other person doesn't want your horses you're stuck.
33 posted on 11/29/2002 11:05:49 AM PST by lelio
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To: Torie
Thanks for the Ping Torie but I have little left to say regarding President Johnson beyond what I have said MANY times before on this board.

If Richard M. Nixon had REALLY wanted to be a crook, he would have paid Lyndon Johnson to teach him how!

34 posted on 11/30/2002 5:29:39 PM PST by Bigun
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To: lelio
When the other person doesn't want your horses you're stuck.

Exactly. To LBJ, politics was like negotiating over a used car. Principle was completely outside of his understanding.

35 posted on 12/01/2002 10:50:55 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Torie
The jerk gets us embroiled in Viet-Nam, runs the war his way, and then cops out and runs away.

I hope the redneck is burning in hell.

36 posted on 12/01/2002 11:01:39 AM PST by rockfish59
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