3 major U.S. Civil War movies due in 2003: Could Rebel Flag Revival Follow? (My Title)

The Washington Times ^ | November 29th, 2002 | Scott Bowles

[STONEWALLS]

"Another question is...will these movies inspire separatism like that which swept the globe during the 1990's?"

wars of secession and partition are a global reality....it's just a matter of time before they begin in the United States....

[Hacksaw]

The Confederate Flag stood for slavery.

Nope - only in your mind and the other revisionists.

That's history.

That's revisionism.

Live with it.

I do - got one on my bedroom wall. The ladies like it :)

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>When Lincon needed a complelling moral issue to keep the Union together, slavery became the issue that caused the greatest outcry with northern churches. Lincon then used this (as any smart politician would) to motivate his base.<<<

Churches' tax-exempt status didn't even depend upon being APOLITICAL until several decades after Lincoln's death. Now only Jesse Jackson-affiliated churches can get away with violating the separation of church & state. But in Lincoln's day, there wasn't even a law against such mingling.

[VaBthang4]

"disenfranchisement resulting from the persistent Northern aggression which plagues the South to this day"

Yeah...that's what my right arm was telling me yesterday. It has grown disgruntled at the fact that my left arm get's to be involved more in my computer use because I am left handed. My right arm actually said "I feel disenfranchised because of the left hands persistent aggression in it's unilateral guiding of the computer's mouse."

I was at first shocked....then laughed...then I moved on to more important matters.

***LOSERDOPIAN ALERT***

[Pitchfork]

You just don't get it. Do you? The 'facts' of origin or the alternative appearances or uses of some symbol don't matter. They can have all the swastika's they want in India and jews worldwide (and anyone not insensitive to their concerns) will find it offensive and will recognize this and not display them.

Herein lies a problem with the Republican party and minorities. It's easy to portray conservatives as coldhearted and insenstive because of issues like this battle flag nonsense.

Liberals don't need to demonstrate that the ranks of conservatives are filled with vile, slobering, hate spewing bigots. They just need to point to things like the confederate flag issue and say "they are insensitive". Sure, guys like you might have a logical and historical case that the CBF symbol has been maligned unfairly and that blacks have an irrational aversion to it (like jews do to the swastika--after all it's just a religious symbol). But in making that case you reveal your underlying insensitivity to their issues and stumble headlong into the trap set by the liberals.

You need to make a choice--broad appeal of conservative ideas to minorities (and therefore survival of said ideals becuase demographics is NOT on your side otherwise), or headstong support for a symbol reviled by minorities and the label of racial insensitivity.

You might characterize this as abandoning principle for political expediency. I see it as giving a little to gain a lot.

[VaBthang4]

1. Radical muslim excuse maker.
2. Loserdopian excuse maker.

Which is it?

(Psst...next time try not to answer a question...with a question)

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[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>wars of secession and partition are a global reality....it's just a matter of time before they begin in the United States.... <<<


Folks laugh at comments like yours, Stonewalls. They also tend not to be aware of how our country's national debt just reached an all time high of $6.3 trillion dollars:

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm

even as baby-boomers are about to retire in droves. Central planning was perhaps more necessary before cyberspace emerged, but now folks want to tax and govern themselves instead of let "beneficent bureaucrats" thousands of miles away generously do it for them (at a fee, of course).

Any predictions as to what could happen? California as a state wants to secede, even if L.A. County and I think the San Fernando Valley recently voted to remain as one. I recall the Montana Freemen movement which was extinguished, along with the Branch Davidian movement in Waco, Texas. I also recall, though, how divided the U.S. map look as the red states voted for Bush, and the blue ones voted for the guy even Tennessee wouldn't support.

Canada's seccessionist referendum very narrowly failed, after numerous concessions were made. But our national debt's only going to get worse, and taxes will only increase as baby-boomers retire, cease paying taxes, and bankrupt social security. Where will the hotbeds be?

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>You need to make a choice--broad appeal of conservative ideas to minorities (and therefore survival of said ideals becuase demographics is NOT on your side otherwise), or headstong support for a symbol reviled by minorities and the label of racial insensitivity. You might characterize this as abandoning principle for political expediency. I see it as giving a little to gain a lot.<<<

Georgia's latest governor, a centrist, certainly agreed with you (at least before November 5th).

[VaBthang4]

I like this one myself...

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>Where has Islam entered into this thread about the Confederate Battle Flag <<<


It's just another example of how symbols are irrationally thrown out as a "substitute" for debate.

[VaBthang4]

(Psst...next time try not to answer a question...with a question)

~Grin~

[End The Hypocrisy]

>>>I like this one myself... <<<


Fine. Then will YOU and your ilk please repay the USA's record high $6.3 trillion dollar national debt, endure the racial quotas in lieu of us (or keep benefiting from such quotas, whichever's the case), and subsidize the lazy, arrogant D.C. bureaucrats for us? If not, then your clinging to that particular flag while lambasting those patriots who have gotten beyond it seems peculiar. Perhaps you depend upon the status quo?

[wardaddy]

LOL...I hope you steer clear of German and Jap cars too. They were once "appropriated" as symbols of hatred.

BTW, many white identity groups have "appropriated" the Celtic Cross too....guess it'll have to go.

Not to mention, have you ever happened to notice the most prominantly displayed flag at a Klan rally (most of which take place outside the South these days)???? It's this one in case you've forgotten:

Say good-bye to Old Glory.....by your logic of guilt by association.

[End The Hypocrisy]

Nice website!

http://www.GodsAndGenerals.com


Coming to a theatre near you this February 21st!

[wardaddy]

Yep...that one's a fav at Klan rallies...careful what you wish for.

[taxcontrol]

End,

I agree that the debt is the festering wound that will eventually cause the problem. But, like most wars, it will be pinprick issues - lots of them - the come from this source that will cause the eventual fracturing.

Culture causes a greater 'rift' than anything. Within the US, we have to opposite cultures. One - the left - feels that government and taxes are good and that everyone must give up their own uniqueness in order to have a society.

The other - the right - feels that we all have basic rights and that no one can take those rights from us. There is no thought of 'giving up' our uniqueness.

It is the classic "do as I say" vs. "I will do as I please".

I can not see how these two can ever come to be reconsiled in my lifetime. I do not think it will come to a revolt on large scale, but we are seeing it in a series of smaller revolts. I only hope that a common foe will allow the US to stay together and avoid that issue for some time.

[VaBthang4]

"Fine. Then will YOU and your ilk please repay..."

No. You're gonna repay it too. And you're gonna endure and subsidize with the rest of us.

If you dont want to then let's see you put some action behind your hubris. Go storm the Capital! Sieze the fort! Raid the town!

Otherwise it would appear that you dont have the courage to follow your own implied convictions.

If you're gonna be a rebel... then be a rebel, not an exercise in vanity.