Posted on 11/29/2002 11:31:28 PM PST by kattracks
Of course science also never said that IQ is 100% genetic. Early childhood learning and other cultural influences have a role in IQ, also maternal health ---no drug/alcohol use etc, and family environment are big factors in IQ development.
My, what a novel take on the subject. You rely entirely too much on 'givens', without substantiation of just how they are either defined or have developed over time.
The foundation of this entire boondoggle is the assumption that categories in use are possible, much less accurate and therefore useful for analysis. I assert that the existence or non existence of genetically determined human races cannot be demonstrated at this point in time. There are certain characteristics that are genetically inherited including skin colour, hair type and others, although no one characteristic is restricted to any one race or group. Skin colour is inherited, and yet at present we cannot show where this is determined in the human genome, therefore our knowledge is inadequate to prove or disprove that genetic races even exist.
Since the 60's with the research of Arthur Jensen (from Berkeley BTW), studies have shown that regardless of Headstart, new Schools, better teachers, even socio-economics, etc. etc. etc., blacks will dramatically do worse than Whites. It cannot be avoided.
On what basis do you justify extrapolating that conclusion from limited data over roughly 30 years?
Just think of the tens of billions wasted in these thirty plus years, and that ignores the damage done to white children exposed to all of this nonsense.
What damage? Please be very specific.
The answer, of course, was to have been honest with blacks from the start, reduced prejudice, opened up society so that Blacks could have traveled freely, and worked as migrant rural workers or a similar servant class throughout the sourth and west instead of what actually happened--blacks concetrating in northern urban squalor, and the introduction of a whole different third race into this country--Indians from Mexico.
Why would you assume that blacks would have travelled the country in search of menial jobs? If, as you put it, society had been opened up, educational opportunites available to white children would have also have been there for black children.
Your 'theory' doesn't address the potential that instead of living in norther urban squalor, they could instead have lived in squalor in urban areas other than in the north, or perhaps in rural squalor. Nor does it recognize that they moved to northern cities as specific times to work jobs in the very categories you cite, and it ignores that they left the south for the jobs in the north to make a better life for themselves than they believed they could have in the south.
In the end, of course, the rise of the Indians from Mexico to more than a third of the US's population in the next 50 years will make completely irrelevant the black race in the US, and White people's inability or design in failing to tell blacks the truth will be largely responsible for that.
Riiiiiight. One can't help but notice all those Tarahumaras and Ixcatecos virtually overrunning the entire nation.
Why if your mathematical abilites are anywhere near as good as your acute observations, I'll bet they could black citizens irrelevant in half that time. /sarcasm.
If I were black in the US, of course, I'd move back to Africa, and I'd use white guilt in the US to finance all of it.
If your obvious manufactured cocern for the welfare of blacks were any more transparent, you'd be pane glass.
Most importantly, in Africa, I wouldn't be 'black', I'd be 'colored' given my 20% white ancestry, and consequently I'd immediately rise to the top of the socio/political/economic class.
You don't know what you're talking about. You'd only be 'colored' in apartheid South Africa, Einstein, and they aren't the top of any of those classes. Elsewhere you'd be misunderstood and not anything of particular note, as many black citizens have found when visiting Africa.
Instead of living in some urban hell-hole in Detroit or D.C. I'd be running a factory in some small town or I'd be in the open air on some farm with dozens of natives working for me.
Your ignorance of Africa and social/cultural dynamics is astounding and, sadly, not unexpected.
Tell me, do you recommend to white citizens in poor urban areas to return to the European country of their heritage, at taxpayer cost?
Lack of self discipline = 80% Bastardy Rate
Are they comparing non-Affirmative Action homes with other non-Affirmative Action homes? It wouldn't be quite fair to compare whites whose parents didn't benefit from AA with blacks whose parents did. I wonder what would happen if you compared only those who completely made it on their own ---maybe children of military parents.
But even there you don't rule out prenatal influences ---and the fact that the babies were put up for adoption would imply there was a likelihood of some prenatal factor that made the natural mother less capable of raising their baby.
When I grew up, there were individualists and rugged individualists. I was raised with the idea that I must read and interpret the Bible for myself; that I should never trust other's interpretation. Max Weber referred to this in the Spirit of Capitalism.
I was oblivious to role models. The question was: What did God want me to be, and to do? I see a small number of my Black neighbors raising their kids exactly the same way. The pre-school kid is reading the King James Bible just as I did. Some Korean families near me also have that personal salvation and reading the Bible for ones self approach.
I see some Sikhs and Moslems raising their kids the same way. They are just using a different book. Maybe for others, the motivation is money and power, not religion.
Conclusion: A religious revival/awakening might be the solution. I'd like to see a study of the MillionMan March and PromiseKeepers (two arms of the same movement). A PromiseKeepers style religious conversion to personal responsibility might just be the answer to our social problems.
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