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Vanity Fair Editor David Rose: New York Times Article "Fabrication"
Vanity Fair (The Today Show) ^ | December 3, 2002 | David Rose

Posted on 12/03/2002 5:42:32 AM PST by an amused spectator

While discussing an upcoming article in the December 2002 Vanity Fair, David Rose (senior editor/VF) tells Katie "The Affable One" Couric that a New York Times article from October 2002 about Czech President Havel's remarks on Iraq and hijacker Mohammed Atta is a "fabrication".


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthraxscarelist; atta; czechatta; czechoslovakia; iraq; mediabias; newyorktimes
That's gonna leave a mark. ;-)
1 posted on 12/03/2002 5:42:32 AM PST by an amused spectator
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Perky One heads-up.
2 posted on 12/03/2002 5:43:22 AM PST by an amused spectator
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To: The Great Satan; Mitchell; eno_; Shermy; Fred Mertz; *Anthrax_Scare_List
Indexing.
3 posted on 12/03/2002 5:48:03 AM PST by aristeides
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To: an amused spectator
Gee, and I always thought I could trust the NYT. (/chiding)
Shall I switch my allegiance to VF? LOL!

The mainstream media is filled with so-called journalist.

4 posted on 12/03/2002 5:50:26 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: an amused spectator; Poohbah; Miss Marple; Grampa Dave; mhking
Here's the thing, if there is a 70% probability that they met and a 30% probability that they did NOT meet, it's not too hard to make a bet as to what went down. Mohammed Atta probably did meet with that Iraqi intelligence officer.

Anyone want to bet what they were talking about? I do NOT think it involved which strip clubs gave the best lap dances, or to discuss the upcoming Star Wars movie.
5 posted on 12/03/2002 6:20:46 AM PST by hchutch
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To: an amused spectator
BUMP
6 posted on 12/03/2002 6:57:26 AM PST by RippleFire
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To: an amused spectator; hchutch
Any article the NY Slimes prints about the war on terrorism, president Bush, the economy, global warming, any enviral story and so called political polls should be labeled as pure fiction, fantasy and DNC Mantras posing as a news article.
7 posted on 12/03/2002 7:17:02 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: anniegetyourgun
David Rose wrote a very good piece for last January's VF on Mansoor Ijaz and the chances Clinton had to get bin Laden.
8 posted on 12/03/2002 7:34:06 AM PST by aristeides
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To: anniegetyourgun
David Rose wrote a very good piece for last January's VF on Mansoor Ijaz and the chances Clinton had to get bin Laden.
9 posted on 12/03/2002 7:34:14 AM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
You can't fool me....I know that Clinton has already bin laden. In fact, I think he has an STD because of it....
10 posted on 12/03/2002 8:05:39 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: an amused spectator
I take it Katie had the heavily-hyped original story on her list of pro-Saddam talking points, but somehow her researchers "missed" the humiliating retraction that the NYT sneaked out a few days later. Just as Howell Raines intended. Raines always reminds me of a piece of glistening, wet, freshly-excreted doggy poop standing on two legs. A real piece of work.
11 posted on 12/03/2002 8:53:52 AM PST by The Great Satan
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To: aristeides; Grampa Dave; hchutch; okie01; Mitchell
Interesting how the only good articles about the war, Islamakazis, etc., come from Vanity Fair like mags and internet publications, at least on the wide broadcast scale. "Academia" is totally silent, inept, and in a multicultural (that is, america is bad) coma. How many times have you seen Professor soandso appear on TV to explain things? they can't, or know that they'll sound shallow. Can't talk about Israel all the time, so they're lost.

I've read several good pieces in VF, a magazine I had no interest in before. I'll buy this one. Part of the "no meeting" spin, a la Isikoff, focuses on red herrings - assuming that an early report Atta met Ani on a certain date was in error, thus that is implied to mean no meetings ever took place. Another rh is the focus on "didn't meet with Ani", not discluding, except by false implication, that Atta did not meet any Iraqi or other agent.

12 posted on 12/03/2002 10:51:50 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Thanks for your heads up re Vanity Fair. I will buy this issue.

Nice to see a magazine with owners not in bed with the rats and PA's.
13 posted on 12/03/2002 10:55:54 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: The Great Satan
BTW, is the NYTimes pro or anti Saudi these days? Hard to keep track. They often sound so perturbed that their Saudi friends won't conform to the softer image they try to sell to the soft liberal chattering classes.
14 posted on 12/03/2002 10:55:56 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Not only that, there were reports of a wide-body commercial jet at an Iraqi facility known as Salman Pak - where reportedly terrorists were being trained in hijacking airliners with knives and their bare hands.

On 9/11, terrorists used knives and bocxcutters for the hijackings. Coincidence? Happenstance? You tell me. And now, we have this meeting in Prague. This could be a coincidence. But the chances of that are slightly less than the chances Natalie Portman will be calling me up for a date Friday night.
15 posted on 12/03/2002 11:00:27 AM PST by hchutch
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To: Shermy
The answer to your question is; VF customers are mostly older American, who are typically more experienced and patriotic. The main stream media cters to younger more stupid customers, who are culturally engineered by the PC public education system.
16 posted on 12/03/2002 11:01:02 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Where on earth did VF get its name? Sounds like a gay fashion mag.
17 posted on 12/03/2002 11:06:41 AM PST by js1138
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To: philosofy123
You may be right, but my experience with the mag was that it was a, how do I put it, neo-royalist rag, a stuffier version of People mag, adulating Eurotrash nobility and sleazy financiers. Maybe those were just the cover stories...

BTW, I saw some Brit papers use the term Eurotrash recently, so I guess they're not taking it anymore as a description of all Euros.

18 posted on 12/03/2002 11:20:44 AM PST by Shermy
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To: js1138
"Vanity Fair was the first society journal. It was founded in 1868 by Thomas Gibson Bowles and illustrated by Grebville Murray. Vanity Fair was popular for its caricatures of the political and social notabilities of the day."

This was the British version of the magazine, not the current American magazine. I'm sure that the name came from the Brit version, though.

19 posted on 12/03/2002 11:57:56 AM PST by an amused spectator
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To: js1138
I believe Vantiy Fair was a fictional location in John Bunyan's famous allegorical novel, Pilgrim's Progress.
20 posted on 12/03/2002 12:06:50 PM PST by bourbon
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To: bourbon
Well, gosh darn it, it just doesn't sound MANLY.

;^)

21 posted on 12/03/2002 12:08:43 PM PST by js1138
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To: bourbon
Vanity Fair was a fictional location in John Bunyan's famous allegorical novel, Pilgrim's Progress.

Indeed it was.

Pilgim's Progress is the second-best-selling book of all time---behind the Bible itself...and is in my opinion is the greatest work of English literature ever.

Bunyan's life story is exceedingly interesting...he wrote P.P. from prison, if my memory serves me correctly...he had been locked up for his active faith.

22 posted on 12/03/2002 12:16:57 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
yes, I'm sure at one time earlier in American history, everyone would have known recognized Vanity Fair as an allusion to Bunyan's book. As you said, the book was VERY popular.

Indeed, I only recognized the allusion not b/c I had read the book itself but b/c I've read a fair bit about the book. I must say this discussion and your extremely high praise of it does make me want to read it! thanks!

I should add that there is also a William Makepeace Thackeray book called Vanity Fair. Strangely enough, I just noticed this as I was looking at my bookshelves next to the computer!

(Grin!) But I've never read that book, either. I'm embarassed to admit that my reading list is growing more cluttered by the day.
23 posted on 12/03/2002 2:34:29 PM PST by bourbon
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To: bourbon
Pilgim's Progress is in the public domain...so you can read it online if you would like:

http://www.ccel.org/b/bunyan/progress/title.html

24 posted on 12/03/2002 2:44:21 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: js1138
Well, gosh darn it, it just doesn't sound MANLY.

Well then, you have very good instincts.

At present, the magazine is somewhat cluttered with "fashionable" ads featuring very gay-looking men (think, Calvin Klein or Prada).

Nevertheless, the magazine does put forth a fairly high quality of journalism, better than what you get from most glossy magazines or the NY Times under Raines' reign.
25 posted on 12/03/2002 2:44:40 PM PST by bourbon
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To: bourbon
Oboy! A literature thread.

Seriously, VF has excellent articles now and then. So did George. Bunyan is heavy slogging, though, nothing like Dante or even Virgil. Better stick with Voltaire and Henry Miller.

26 posted on 12/03/2002 2:48:25 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
thanks for the recommendations.

I find as a rule that if other people find something boring then I'll probably enjoy it. Consequently, I might actually like Pilgrim's Progress. scary thought!
27 posted on 12/03/2002 2:54:45 PM PST by bourbon
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To: RightWhale
I remember enjoying Candide, but I don't think Henry Miller is up my alley at all.
28 posted on 12/03/2002 2:56:35 PM PST by bourbon
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To: bourbon
Voltaire must be read in French, Dante in Italian, and Virgil in Latin. Then you see why Henry Miller will also be classical some day and Bunyan was just the pop lit of the day.
29 posted on 12/03/2002 3:03:47 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Shermy
"I've read several good pieces in VF, a magazine I had no interest in before."

Michael Kelly has turned New Republic into something readable and thoughtful, as well.

The niche media are learning faster than the mainstream giants. It's a healthy revolution...

30 posted on 12/03/2002 6:21:18 PM PST by okie01
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To: okie01
btt 4later
31 posted on 12/03/2002 6:25:14 PM PST by jwalsh07
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