Skip to comments.An Ancient Link To Africa Lives On In Bay Of Bengal
Posted on 12/10/2002 1:09:21 PM PST by blam
An Ancient Link to Africa Lives on in Bay of Bengal
By NICHOLAS WADE
Inhabitants of the Andaman Islands, a remote archipelago east of India, are direct descendants of the first modern humans to have inhabited Asia, geneticists conclude in a new study.
But the islanders lack a distinctive genetic feature found among Australian aborigines, another early group to leave Africa, suggesting they were part of a separate exodus.
The Andaman Islanders are "arguably the most enigmatic people on our planet," a team of geneticists led by Dr. Erika Hagelberg of the University of Oslo write in the journal Current Biology.
Their physical features short stature, dark skin, peppercorn hair and large buttocks are characteristic of African Pygmies. "They look like they belong in Africa, but here they are sitting in this island chain in the middle of the Indian Ocean," said Dr. Peter Underhill of Stanford University, a co-author of the new report.
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It just gets stranger and stranger.
Big butts are an advantage in the forest?
Yes. The body needs to store its emergency fat reserve somewhere... in a cold climate, storing it widely around the body helps insulate the person, but in a hot climate, better to concentrate the storage on one place.
Plus it gives the tigers a tasty little treat. ;o)
Indeed. But it's only strange because of the assumptions made to date about human movement, and human abilities. If modern human beans have been around for 100,000 years, there's absolutely no reason to expect that they were stupid and sedentary for 90% of their history. Yet that's the apparent assumption.
Consider how little physical evidence there is of civilizations from 5,000 years ago, and then multiply the time span by 10 -- civilizations could have existed, and we'd be hard pressed to find them (or to distinguish them from newer ones....)
Now if you toss in a volcano bigger than the one that caused The Year Without a Summer in 1816, then you can kill off most of humanity, and destroy any civilizations that may have existed prior to the explosion.
Now, when they start to realize that the Minoan civilation was drenched in blood, expantionist, and warlike, my life will be complete.
The Fomorians? No, they were big and black. These folks are likely to be the origins of the legend of the Leprechauns.
Also, I wonder how their DNA will compare to the San Bushmen in Africa who are Mongols.
I agree with your points.
When Toba exploded 75,000 years ago, some estimate that only 5,000 humans worldwide survived.
A more likely explanation for the "lack of evidence for modern humans" is that most of them were living on coastal plains and along river estuaries. The "big thaws" from the LAST episode of global warming then put the evidence 150 meters below the ocean's surface.
You'll get no argument from me or most on this thread on this point.
Alert: Out of Africa with big butts!
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"That the Andamanese are not a local development but the remnant of a once widely-spread race is shown by the fact that they are not the only Negritos: there are the other living Negrito groups that we will look at in more detail in Chapters 35 to 37.
As regards the remoter relationships, there are two opposing schools of thought. The first holds that the Negritos were one group living in a large area of tropical Asia many tens of thousands of years ago when new and more aggressive immigrants arrived who pushed the ancestral Negritos and Veddoids into the remoter jungle areas. In such a scenariothe Negrito and Veddoid groups in mainland areas would then gradually have lost contact with each other, leaving us today with only a few widely separated surviving populations.
The second school of thought holds that all these groups share a common ancestral origin somewhere in southeast Asia or southern China. In this scenario the Negritos and the Veddoids have alwayys remained people of the deep forests (hence their small stature, which woould then not be an ancestral trait but the result of similar life styles in the deep forests) while the ancestors of the Tasmanians, Papuans and Australians left the area to migrate to their later homelands. The latter groups must have been highly enterprising: they are the earliest people known to have made substantial sea crossings.
The genetic and linguistic varieties gives a hint at the sheer complexity of past population movements in what for want of a better word we shall call the Negritoid-Veddoid ancestral area: the number of living indigenous languages still spoken in the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Papua-New Guinea and Australia has been estimated at over 1400 (of which 750 in Papua-New Guinea alone) which is more than a quarter of all the world's languages. There are another 170 still living languages in Australia. The number of extinct languages in that area is likely to be much greater still.
Looking at the overall picture, we can see an outline, however vague and shadowy, of the area that the hypothetical ancestral race of Negritos, Veddoids, Papuans, Australians, Tasmanians and Melanesians once occupied, perhaps 70,000 years ago. It ranged from India through Indo-China to Indonesia and from southern China through Taiwan to the Philippines, with New Guinea, Australia and Tasmania settled later by the same people.
While the anthropological and linguistic evidence for a relationship is often weak and controversial nature, what, then, about the biological and genetic evidence? A recent work on genetic relationships among human groups says the following:
While our potential skills for analyzing human evolution are increasing, social changes taking place in developing countries are rapidly destroying the identities - if not the very existence - of the most important aboriginal populations. This organized research efforts to save this precious information about our past have acquired a new urgency.
A complete genetic investigation of the Negrito, the Veddoid and other remnant population groups with the techniques of DNA analysis is both important and urgent. Happily, many genetic laboratories all around the world have taken up the challenge.
The following data comparing a number of major as well as remnant groups Asian are based on outdated techniques of the 1980s to 1990s but they still remain valuable until the DNA analyses in preparation and planned are published."
I would like to see a DNA comparison of these people with the Bushmen also. The Bushmen do have Mongol Spots and are Asian. The Female Bushmen have a unique 'apron' over the genetial area. There aren't any 'pure' Bushmen alive today, they are mixed with the Bantu (black) people.
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The text that goes with that pic is this:
Fig.2. A modern "Venus of Willendorf" an Onge woman with steatopygia ("fat bottom"). Steatopygia has been widespread, perhaps even universal, in human prehistory and is reflected in the famous ice-age "Venus figurines." Only two living populations still have this ancient human trait today: the Khoi ("Hottentot") of South Africa and the AndamaneseNote that the use of the word "widespread" is apparently not intended to be humorous. (But it is.)
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Posted on 07/10/2005 8:31:26 AM PDT by blam
Big Butts store fat, a good thing in times of want. If you read Herodotus, the Pygmy lived as far north as lake Chad in historic times.
Man....you sure are digging around in the archives. :o)
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