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Open letter to Rev. Pat Robertson
KavkazCenter.com (Chechen Mujhadeen) ^ | Dec. 10, 2002 | Syed B. Soharwardy

Posted on 12/11/2002 1:19:33 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt

CNN and the Chechen Mujhadeen are accusing Christians of murdering Muslims.

Here is Pat Robertson's response to CNN's baseless and inciting charge at the Nov. 26 interview on CNN.

Pat Robertson

... SAVIDGE: And there are Christians that are also burning mosques as well.

ROBERTSON: No, they're not. Come off it. You know better than that. Christianity is a peaceful religion, and we're out to talk about peace. And I ran a television station that promoted peace between Muslims, Christians and Jews in the Middle East for 18 years, and I'm an advocate of peace, period. Thank you.

The following is Islamist propaganda from the official website of the Chechen Mujhadeen.

Warning: original URL to this anti-Christian diatribe shows a guy with his legs cut off.

It appears that the Chechen Mujhadeen wants to incite Muslims around the world to rise up and murder Christians.

Question: what is CNN attempting to do?


http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/article.php?id=646

Kavkaz kavkaz






Open letter to Rev. Pat Robertson 

Rev. Pat Robertson

The Christian Broadcasting Network

Virginia Beach, VA, USA

Rev. Pat Robertson,

 

On November 26, 2002 you gave an interview to Martin Savidge of CNN. Your interview proves that you certainly need help. I am sure you realize that telling a lie is a sin in Christianity. In your interview you tried to misguide and misinform people by making wrong remarks about "Jihad" and peaceful nature of Islam. Just reading the translation of Qur'an and quoting it's verses out of context is a big dishonesty and immoral.

 

Without going into details I would like to ask you the following questions. I am sure you know the answers of these questions. These facts are in the history books written by Christian authors.

 

Who killed thousands of aboriginal people in North America and Australia in order to occupy their lands and properties?

Who killed millions of South Americans?

Who killed millions of human beings in World War I?

Who killed 6 million Jews during World War II?

Who killed 2 million Polish Christians in World War II?

Who killed 6 million Chinese during the invasion of China?

Who killed 2 million Cambodian during the civil war?

Who killed more than 2 million Filipinos during invasion of Philippines?

Who killed more than half million Tibetans during the last 6 decades?

Who killed more than 2 million Vietnamese during the Vietnam War?

Who dropped chemical and biological bombs on Vietnam?

Who dropped nuclear bombs on Japan and killed thousands of people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Who killed more than 2 million African Christians in Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Burundi and Congo within the last two decades?

Who made more than 9.5 million human beings refugees in Africa?

Who is killing and confiscating lands from White farmers in Zimbabwe?

Who invented the nuclear, biological and chemical bombs?

Who sells the most sophisticated bombs and the best killing machines to the world?

Who killed hundreds of blacks in America and did not consider them as human beings until 1960s.

Who are White Supremacists?

 

Who did not consider women as persons until 1940s?

 

I am purposely not asking you about the killings of millions of Muslims in Bosnia, Kossovo, Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine, Russian Federation, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, India, etc.

 

Can you please prove that the most of the above holocaust and genocide of human race were not caused by the people who claimed to be Christians? Non-Muslims also created the other genocide? If you are interested I can send you a longer list of all the holocausts and genocide caused by the people who were not Muslims.

 

Rev. Robertson, I propose that you and I have a dialogue. You should bring a list of all the killings carried out by the Muslims throughout the history and I will bring a list of all the killings caused by the non-Muslims. And let us compare the both lists. I am confident that I can prove that the killings carried out by the Muslims are negligible compared to the killings carried out by Christians and other non-Muslims.

 

On behalf of Islamic Supreme Council of Canada (ISCC), I would like to invite you to visit Canada and we will arrange an open town hall meeting to discuss your issues with Islam. ISCC will pay all your traveling and lodging expenses. If this is not possible for you, please let me know when and where you can meet with me to have a dialogue and I will travel to your place on my own expenses.

 

I strongly believe in bringing together the followers of Christianity, Islam and Judaism. These three great religions have more in common than the differences but people like you are destroying these efforts.

 

Rev. Robertson, your ignorance about Qur'an, Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and Islam is so deep that you do not even know the basic beliefs of a Muslim. You do not even know how to spell Qur'an (it is not Koran, it is Qur'an). We are here to help you. We, as Muslims do not hate God's creation. It is a requirement of our faith that we like for others what we like for ourselves. We just want to educate you about Islam so that you can be a better person.

In the past we had asked Rev. Franklin Graham, Rev. Jerry Falwell and other Christian leaders to attend our course Islam 101 in Toronto and ask as many questions as you want about Islam and Muslims. But please do not badmouth about our religion in the media. We do not have access to the media as you do. We, the Muslims living in Canada and the USA know that the media in North America is NOT FREE. In the third world countries, the dictators and the governments control the media while the Western media is controlled by the rich and strong interest groups. Had the media in the west free, Muslim leaders would have gotten the equal chance to respond to the comments made by the people like yourself.

 

I am looking forward to hearing from you soon. Seasons greetings to you and to your family and friends.

 

Thanks

Syed B. SoharwardyIslam Internet sources

2002-12-10 03:18:52

 


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1 posted on 12/11/2002 1:19:34 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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2 posted on 12/11/2002 1:21:58 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: JohnathanRGalt
"Who did not consider women as persons until 1940s?"

Who still doesn't regard women as persons?

4 posted on 12/11/2002 1:23:54 PM PST by freedom9
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Pat Robertson called it right! As there are 1821 brands of Islamic Muslims, there are people who were baptized as infants, go to Mass on Easter Sunday, live like the devil all week, and yet call themselves Christian. Jesus, the one Pat Robertson follows taught his subjects to put away the sword. Pat Robertson would distance himself from 'christians like Hitler, James Jones from Jonestown as well as David Koresh. Jesus gave Himself up to His Enemies showing us how to die, no one took his life away, he laid it down, a lot of difference between THAT and the teachings of Mohamma.
5 posted on 12/11/2002 1:25:32 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: JohnathanRGalt
And let us compare the both lists.

I'm guessing this guy's not a native Canadian.

6 posted on 12/11/2002 1:29:32 PM PST by facedown
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Who killed millions of South Americans?

I don't know - at no point were "millions" of South Americans killed en masse.

Who killed millions of human beings in World War I?

Soldiers?

Who killed 6 million Jews during World War II?

Nazi pagans.

Who killed 2 million Polish Christians in World War II?

Nazi pagans and Communist atheists.

Who killed 6 million Chinese during the invasion of China?

Japanese Shintoists.

Who killed 2 million Cambodian during the civil war?

Communist atheists.

Who killed more than 2 million Filipinos during invasion of Philippines?

Nobody, since this number has been debunked long ago.

Who killed more than half million Tibetans during the last 6 decades?

Maoist atheists.

Who killed more than 2 million Vietnamese during the Vietnam War?

Communist atheists.

Who dropped chemical and biological bombs on Vietnam?

Nobody. Who dropped nuclear bombs on Japan and killed thousands of people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

US Air force pilots.

Who killed more than 2 million African Christians in Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Burundi and Congo within the last two decades?

An assortment of animists, nationalists and Communists. Who made more than 9.5 million human beings refugees in Africa?

Muslims

Who is killing and confiscating lands from White farmers in Zimbabwe?

Communist atheists

Who invented the nuclear, biological and chemical bombs?

Scientists Who sells the most sophisticated bombs and the best killing machines to the world?

A number of countries. Who buys them because they're incapable of building their own?

Who killed hundreds of blacks in America and did not consider them as human beings until 1960s.

Nobody

Who are White Supremacists?

Nazi pagans

Who did not consider women as persons until 1940s?

Nobody. I'd say Muslims, but they still don't consider women to be persons

7 posted on 12/11/2002 1:34:22 PM PST by wideawake
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Who killed 6 million Jews during World War II?

Um. Hitler was NO Christian. Period.

Who is killing and confiscating lands from White farmers in Zimbabwe?

Um. How about it's communist dictator and his "war veterans"? Not Christians.

Who did not consider women as persons until 1940s?

Um. Jesus, the founder of Christianity, highly respected woman during his ministry, as do those who follow Jesus. The founder if Islam raped them while they were still children.

This author is either evil and deceptive, or stupid and deceived himself.

8 posted on 12/11/2002 1:37:25 PM PST by Theo
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To: JohnathanRGalt
...you do not even know the basic beliefs of a Muslim.

Belief 1: Kill the infidel.

Belief 2: Rape and kill his wife.

Belief 3: Kill his children.

Belief 4: Kill his dog.

Belief 5: Burn his house down.

Belief 6: Kill his neighbor.

Belief 7: Repeat steps 2 through 5 with regards to the neighbor.

Belief 8: Praise Allah.

9 posted on 12/11/2002 1:51:48 PM PST by rickmichaels
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To: Theo
This author is either evil and deceptive, or stupid and deceived himself.

Since he's a Muslim, most likely the former.

10 posted on 12/11/2002 1:55:31 PM PST by rickmichaels
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To: facedown
Rev. Robertson, your ignorance about Qur'an, Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and Islam is so deep that you do not even know the basic beliefs of a Muslim. You do not even know how to spell Qur'an (it is not Koran, it is Qur'an).

It was a televised interview -- the only ones misspelling the word 'Koran' was CNN who posted the transcript.

It's obvious that CNN does not even know the basic beliefs of a Muslim and does not know how to spell either.

11 posted on 12/11/2002 1:58:12 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: JohnathanRGalt
ISLAM IS THE PROBLEM

12 posted on 12/11/2002 2:02:32 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: wideawake
Who killed millions of human beings in World War I?

Soldiers? I think it was influenza..

What about the 20 Russians killed under Stalin's regime?

any other major slaughters that we have left out (unborn people don't count).

13 posted on 12/11/2002 2:13:01 PM PST by eccentric
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To: JohnathanRGalt
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MEMRI.org - MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE Special Dispatch Series No. 434: "PRO-CHECHEN ISLAMIST WEBSITE: ISLAMIC RELIGIOUS INTERPRETATION PERMITS KILLING OF PRISONERS" (ARTICLE NOTE: THE Islamist website is http://www.qoqaz.com) (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "In an article titled "A Guide to the Perplexed Regarding the Permissibility of Killing Prisoners," which appeared in the column "Jihad News from the Land of the Caucasus(1)" the author suggests that the Islamic religious scholars present five different alternatives, drawn from the various interpretations of the Koran: 1) A polytheist prisoner must be killed. No amnesty may be granted to him, nor can he be ransomed. 2) All infidel polytheists and the People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians) are to be killed. They may not be granted amnesty, nor can they be ransomed. 3) Amnesty and ransom are the only two ways to deal with prisoners. 4) Amnesty and ransom are possible only after the killing of a large number of prisoners. 5) The Imam, or someone acting on his behalf, can choose between killing, amnesty, ransom or enslaving the prisoner.") (102602)

14 posted on 12/11/2002 2:14:03 PM PST by Cindy
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Who killed thousands of aboriginal people in North America and Australia in order to occupy their lands and properties?

The British

Who killed millions of South Americans?

The Spanish

Who killed millions of human beings in World War I?

Europeans.

Who killed 6 million Jews during World War II?

National Socialists (Teutonic pagans).

Who killed 2 million Polish Christians in World War II?

Socialists (both national and international).

Who killed 6 million Chinese during the invasion of China?

The Japanese.

Who killed 2 million Cambodian during the civil war?

Communists.

Who killed more than 2 million Filipinos during invasion of Philippines?

Japanese.

Who killed more than half million Tibetans during the last 6 decades?

Chinese Communists.

Who killed more than 2 million Vietnamese during the Vietnam War?

Americans and Vietnamese. But they were all bad.

Who dropped chemical and biological bombs on Vietnam?

Nobody.

Who dropped nuclear bombs on Japan and killed thousands of people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Americans. And it was the right thing to do.

Who killed more than 2 million African Christians in Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Burundi and Congo within the last two decades?

Muslims.

Who made more than 9.5 million human beings refugees in Africa?

Other Africans.

Who is killing and confiscating lands from White farmers in Zimbabwe?

The despot Mugabe.

Who invented the nuclear, biological and chemical bombs?

Robert Oppenheimer, the Scythians around 400BC, and Solon of Athens

Who sells the most sophisticated bombs and the best killing machines to the world?

The French (the U.S. has "the most sophisticated" bombs, but we don't sell them "to the world" as well as the French do).

Who killed hundreds of blacks in America and did not consider them as human beings until 1960s.

Nobody worth mentioning (KKK maybe?)

Who are White Supremacists?

Senator and KKK member Robert Byrd? The Congressional democrats for refusing to select a better qualified man as minority leader because he was black?

Can you please prove that the most of the above holocaust and genocide of human race were not caused by the people who claimed to be Christians?

Easily. Nearly all of the claims made against "Christians" above are the results of actions from pagan national socialists, atheist communists, and animist asiatics (WWII Japan certainly wasn't a Christian nation). A few are even muslim (like Mugabe in Rhodesia, or the first use of biological agents in modern times, by Tunisian muslims against Christians in the late 1700s). It would seem that Islam isn't content with merely being a religion of lies; but they also have to be one of slander. Sadly, I suspect that far too many people in the world are sufficiently ignorant of history and will accept the false claims at face value.

15 posted on 12/11/2002 2:17:53 PM PST by Technogeeb
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Who killed thousands of aboriginal people in North America and Australia in order to occupy their lands and properties?
...Gosh, English, but it certainly didnt come from any Holy Book telling them to do that, I mean, bringing the Bible to America brought the Indians out of the stone age, it was non-Christians that killed them. Also, the Indians were killing us first, does that count as aggresion against them?

Who killed millions of South Americans?
...Aztecs killed many, Mayans killed many, they were pagans, the Shining Path, the Facist dictators of Argentina/Guatamala/Pagan Drug Dealers of Bolivia, Peru, Colombia, Communist dictators like Danny Ortega...does this help?


Who killed millions of human beings in World War I?
Muslims did in Turkey, they were killing millions of people called Armenians, remember?


Who killed 6 million Jews during World War II?
Nazi Pagans, Muslims in Palistine, Muslims in Serbia, Kosovo, Communists in Russia, ...what was the question again?


Who killed 2 million Polish Christians in World War II?
German Pagans and Russian Communists


Who killed 6 million Chinese during the invasion of China?
Japanese Shintoists and Russian Communists


Who killed 2 million Cambodian during the civil war?
Cambodian Buddhists and Pathet Lao Buddhists


Who killed more than 2 million Filipinos during invasion of Philippines?
Not us, what invasion is he talking about? The one where the Japanese Shintoists killed a million or so in 1941?


Who killed more than half million Tibetans during the last 6 decades?
Chinese Communists...man, these questions are easy!


Who killed more than 2 million Vietnamese during the Vietnam War?
Other Vietnamese did, we did, too, but it sure wasnt any Holy Book that ordered us to, and by the way, it was also non-religious people who started it in the US based upon lies, and we held them accountable for it now.


Who dropped chemical and biological bombs on Vietnam?
No one.


Who dropped nuclear bombs on Japan and killed thousands of people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Since the murderous people of Japan who threw babies up in the air and caught them ontheir bayonets in Nanking didnt want to surrender, and were preparing to defend their homeland to the very last man/woman/child...we did, thankfully.


Who killed more than 2 million African Christians in Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Burundi and Congo within the last two decades?
Animists, Pagans, and Communists atheists.


Who made more than 9.5 million human beings refugees in Africa?
Animists, pagans, and Communists and Muslims who are still holding millions of Africans hostage right now...another easy one!


Who is killing and confiscating lands from White farmers in Zimbabwe?
Communists...wow, someone else noticed that?


Who invented the nuclear, biological and chemical bombs?
Jews invented Nuclear bombs, Germans invented biological I think, and chemical bombs are too old to know.


Who sells the most sophisticated bombs and the best killing machines to the world?
The west...jealous?


Who killed hundreds of blacks in America and did not consider them as human beings until 1960s.
Democrats.


Who are White Supremacists?
Nazi pagans following a false religion.


Who did not consider women as persons until 1940s?
Muslims. Christians always knew women were women, and we treated them as such.

I am purposely not asking you about the killings of millions of Muslims in Bosnia, Kossovo, Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine, Russian Federation, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, India, etc.
Sounds like all the places where Muslims are doing the killing, what is the question again??

16 posted on 12/11/2002 2:30:53 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: JohnathanRGalt
"On November 26, 2002 you gave an interview to Martin Savidge of CNN. Your interview proves that you certainly need help. I am sure you realize that telling a lie is a sin in Christianity. In your interview you tried to misguide and misinform people by making wrong remarks about "Jihad" and peaceful nature of Islam..."


... so now we must kill you.
17 posted on 12/11/2002 2:45:20 PM PST by pgyanke
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To: JohnathanRGalt
What a bunch of historically ignorant bilge. Here's a question back at the author:

What religion has killed more people in history IN THE NAME OF THEIR RELIGION than any other?
18 posted on 12/11/2002 2:47:26 PM PST by pgyanke
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To: JohnathanRGalt
It was a televised interview -- the only ones misspelling the word 'Koran' was CNN who posted the transcript.

I hadn't noticed that - his speech patterns just didn't seem quite right so I took a look around.

"Prof. Syed B. Soharwardy was born in a very highly respected religious family in Karachi, Pakistan. His father and Murshad (spiritual guide), Allama Syed Muhammad Riazuddin Soharwardy (May Allah shower His blessings upon him) was a Khateeb and Imam of a famous mosque, Jamia Bughdadi Masjid, Martin Road, Karachi. Syed B. Soharwardy's grandfather, Allama Syed Muhammad Jalaluddin Chishty (May Allah shower His blessings upon him) was a Grand Mufti of Kashmir (Baramula). Allama Jalaluddin Chishty later migrated to Amritser (India) where he served as Khateeb and Imam of a Mosque.

Mr. Soharwardy received his early Islamic education from his father in the traditional Islamic Madrasah at Bughdadi Masjid. Later, he graduated from Dar-ul-Aloom Soharwardia, Karachi. Mr. Soharwardy also earned Bachelor of Arts degree in Islamic Studies from University of Karachi. Beside his Islamic education, Mr. Soharwardy earned Bachelor of Engineering (Electrical) from N.E.D. University of Engineering & Technology, Karachi, Master of Science in Management Engineering from New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, NJ, USA and Master of Engineering in Project Management from University of Calgary, Calgary, Canada. He is a certified Project Manager from Project Management Institute, USA."

Source

He's kind of an interesting guy, if he's on the level. He runs an outfit called Muslims Against Terrorism which is affiliated with the ISCC organization that he invited Robertson to for a debate.

Could be legit; could be a front; don't know.

19 posted on 12/11/2002 2:47:52 PM PST by facedown
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To: pgyanke
I am sure you realize that telling a lie is a sin in Christianity.

And of course in Islam it is encouraged, especially if it is in pursuit of that greatest 'good' of all---killing Christians and Jews.

20 posted on 12/11/2002 2:56:32 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: facedown
He's kind of an interesting guy, if he's on the level. He runs an outfit called Muslims Against Terrorism which is affiliated with the ISCC organization that he invited Robertson to for a debate.

Very interesting. See some of the news clippings and articles posted there.  It does not sound anything like the article posted at KavkazCenter.  I was able to find a posted article where Syed Soharwardy challenges Franklin Graham.(but even that does not sound like the rant above).

Looks like Al-Taqiyah at work.

21 posted on 12/11/2002 3:20:29 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: facedown
He's kind of an interesting guy, if he's on the level. He runs an outfit called Muslims Against Terrorism which is affiliated with the ISCC organization that he invited Robertson to for a debate.

Very interesting. See some of the news clippings and articles posted there.  It does not sound anything like the article posted at KavkazCenter.  I was able to find a posted article where Syed Soharwardy challenges Franklin Graham.(but even that does not sound like the rant above).

Looks like Al-Taqiyah at work.

22 posted on 12/11/2002 3:32:36 PM PST by JohnathanRGalt
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Looks like Al-Taqiyah at work.

"Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation." "Oh, it is in the interpretation."

Sounds about right to me - he's probably preaching that all three religions are compatible whilst shoveling cash out the back door to Al Qaeda.

23 posted on 12/11/2002 3:41:51 PM PST by facedown
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Dear Mr. Soharwardy, Islamic states, which are actually run by Islam, are NOT the same as nations who have been called Christian simply because the majority of those who reside there call themselves Christians. We live in a secular nation, deliberately so, Mr. Soharwardy, and Christianity is hardly responsible for the actions of the West.

And who killed 6 million Jews in the holocaust? Hello. Sundays must have been pretty quiet in Eastern Europe, since all the nazis were no doubt in church. </ sarcasm >
24 posted on 12/11/2002 5:27:47 PM PST by agrace
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Ah, vintage Udugov.

Nice to see he got Kavkaz Center up and running again after nearly a month following the Moscow theater debacle, Basayev must be proud of him. It also looks like he's subscribed to the NION mailing list, given his historical ignorance.
25 posted on 12/11/2002 6:37:46 PM PST by Angelus Errare
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To: wideawake; Theo; Technogeeb; RaceBannon
You all had good points, and were correct on the facts, but I think you missed something. In Islam, there are the muslims, and the infidels. Most muslims don't see a real difference between christians, jews, atheists, taoist's, hindu's, etc. To them, if you do not worship there moon god, then you are just as bad as anyone else in any other religion. Most muslims can't get it through there heads that the crusades, which happened oh so long ago, were committed, by european nations, not america, not Israel, not india. But they can not differentiate. Heck, the crusades happened before reformation. The followers of the cult of Islam do not care about the different religions of the world, they do not see any real difference. Its a sort of, "we didn't do it, you people did it" type of attitude. Even though the Japanese weren't christian, since they weren't muslims either, in islams eyes, they get lumped in the same category. If 5 people are in a room, and its a Jew, a Christian, a Hindu, and an atheist and a muslim. The first 4 would say who's in the room with a description (i.e. we have this and that and blah blah here). The muslims will say "its me and 4 infidels". Thats is why this muslim was asking these questions, he doesn't care if christians were behind any acts at all, heck, he probably can't even understand the concept of war for reasons other then religion, and then, fighting over religion, that isn't islam. This is why Islam has such bloody borders.
26 posted on 12/11/2002 6:42:21 PM PST by Sonny M
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Muslims Against Terrorism

Yeah.

And its sister organizations, "Nazis Against Anti-Semitism", "Klan Members Against Racism," and "Democrats Against Taxation."

27 posted on 12/11/2002 7:12:30 PM PST by gg188
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To: Sonny M
Bingo, he was basically saying all of those Jews/Infidels are the source of all evil in the world. How very Islamofascist of him.
28 posted on 12/11/2002 7:23:52 PM PST by Brett66
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To: Sonny M
I missed nothing, actually. As a Born-Again Christian, if I was in a room with a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, and another "Christian belief that I think is Biblically wrong", I would say that I was in the room with 4 unsaved people, however, I can still draw the difference between a person's religion and a person's politics and the actions of their government.

In all their false connections, they deny that their own religion tells an adherant to kill the infidel. No other religion tells people to do that that I know of.

29 posted on 12/11/2002 7:27:06 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: JohnathanRGalt
Kuala Lumpur to be exact....
30 posted on 12/12/2002 1:02:27 AM PST by Bad~Rodeo
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To: JohnathanRGalt
"am purposely not asking you about the killings of millions of Muslims in Bosnia, Kossovo, Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine, Russian Federation, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, India, etc."

Gee, why not? Maybe because it's mostly the muslims who started it and are the ones who are doing most of the killing. And maybe the number doesn't it the million mark.

Why did he left out the 1,5 million Hindus killed off in Bangladesh (1971)? Oh, maybe it was the muslims who killed them off, not Christians.

And since he is blaming Christians for stealing other peoples land, when are muslims are going to return the land the conquered from the Byzantine Chrisitians after the 'fatah' (conquest) that began in 635 AD.
31 posted on 12/12/2002 2:16:10 PM PST by knighthawk
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