What's Happening to the Climate of the Arctic?

CO2 Science Magazine ^ | 11 December 2002 | Sherwood, Keith and Craig Idso

[farmfriend]

Clearly, as Polyakov et al. suggest in summation, "the Arctic poses severe challenges to generating credible model-based projections of climate change," and until there are models that can pass its reality check, there would appear to be little reason to give them any credence.

Now if we could get the major news outlets to get that through their left leaning...oh never mind.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

[U]ntil there are models that can pass [a] reality check, there would appear to be little reason to give them any credence.

DUH!

[PeaceBeWithYou]

Here is just one reason(great find AG) that there are no accurate climate models(nor will there be anytime soon). Added to that is the fact that with current computer technology it would take 10³⁴ years to calculate all of the data and known variables involved.

Imagine it.

Proccessing, please wait.

Estimated time remaining-
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years

Big DUH!

[FairWitness]

It is the sun that is causing the current warming since temps on both Mars and Neptune have been rising.

Very interesting. If the temperature on other planets is rising in parallel with earth, that would be very convincing for the sun being the cause. Could you supply a reference for this?

[PeaceBeWithYou]

Mars-Cape Cod Times(AP)-Evidence points to Mars warming

Neptune-MIT News Office-Evidence of global warming seen on Neptune's largest moon

Pluto-CNN-Pluto may be undergoing global warming

Can't find it now, but Mercury's surface temperature was also repoted to be on the rise, perhaps someone has a link.

[johnny7]

“Las' time we was on Mars, it be very cold!”

Sheila Jackson-Lee

[FairWitness]

Many thanks for the links. It appears we not only have "global warming", we actually have "solar system warming"!

[Leto]

Summary: The sky isn't falling. Enviralmentalist whackos will *not* be pleased with this report.

The greenies will just ignore it, reality is irrelevent, only their agenda of centralized economic control matters.

[aruanan]

Thanks for the post.

[KeyWest]

Thanks- all those articles have been in other pubs as well.

Mars was the first then Neptune and I did not see the Pluto one.

Most people do not realize how small, in astronomical measure, the band is where Earth resides that allows life to flourish. Just a slight heating or cooling of the sun makes a tremendous difference in the band's limits and temp on Earth. Mighty big furnace out there.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Thanks for the ping and the links!

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[PeaceBeWithYou]

It occurs to me that if the Sun is the cause, warming should be found thruout the solar system(all planets/moons). I don't know if anyone has looked specifically at all of the planets and moons for warming. So far, AFAIK it seems to have been found only by accident.

[B4Ranch]

It will not deter the stalinists from their mission of eliminating ownership of private property, population reduction, and the establishment of their own elite ruling class.

This is a part of Agenda 21.

[VOA]

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[Lonesome in Massachussets]

I'm agnostic on computer climate models. You simply don't need to know all the variables with absolute certainty to draw useful conclusions. You have to understand the bounds on your predictions. The more intellectually dishonest researchers are, the more likely they are to get mentioned in the popular press.

I have done computer modeling and use computer models at work, all the time. I think I know shoddy work when I see it. The climatologist do not seem particularly eager for Validation and Verfication of their models.

[PeaceBeWithYou]

I agree. A computer model is only as good as it's input and programing, and the climate models leave much to be desired as they ignore important data(water vapor, solar variation, orbital positioning, etc.) and assume too much(warming, polar amplification, regional and topographical variance, etc.) to be remotely valid.

I wasn't attacking computer modeling per se, but the lack of validity in the climate modeling ones.

[KeyWest]

Found by those who were studying the specific planet/moon. I believe both Neptune and Mars were by grad students. Most astronomers are interested in things far beyond out solar system. That is where the grant money is.

[Ole Okie]

It appears we not only have "global warming", we actually have "solar system warming"!

Damn those SUVs!

Their Global Warming influence reaches high and low.

[aliquis]

Those bloody Marsians, Neptunians and Plutonians in their SUVs! Don't they realise they're destroying their planets!?

[mc5cents]

The Martians are worried too!