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God, Guns and Gays. The California Supremes and state lawyers target Boy Scouts again.
Sacramento Bee with commentary from Patriot Defenders Network ^ | Friday, December 20, 2002 | Dave Jenest

Posted on 12/20/2002 2:37:56 PM PST by comwatch

Remove God from the Pledge, Abolish the Second Amendment and now, ban judges from Scouting?

Is it time to Impeach the Supremes?

BSA
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On my Honor
I will do my best
To do my duty
To God and my country...
America... stand up for them!

Commenting on Sacramento's Golden Empire Council of the Boy Scouts of America not applying for United Way funding,  council executive Doug McDonald says, "I don't think Scouting has seen its demise or will anytime soon," but he added that acquiring funds is more difficult. One California based organization is not so confident and urges patriotic Americans to draw a line in the sand and support the Boy Scouts financially in it's fight for survival. "The legal profession in California has just fired a warning shot across our bow," reads the headline at Patriotwatch.com.

While the scouts organization has stood fast in its right to oppose admitting gays and atheists, it now faces new assaults from those that would be called upon to protect their constitutional rights, the judges of California and the federal bench. "In the Patriot Defenders Network's opinion, this is out-right war, tantamount to domestic terrorism" says its director Dave Jenest. Recently, Scout Council's McDonald was quoted in a Sacramento Bee article as saying, "I remember the Vietnam era, when we were criticized for wearing uniforms and being militaristic."  Jenest asks, "Will they apply a 'Nazi Youth Movement' label next?  Will there be a court left in this land to protect the scouts or any other patriotic organization if the 'Supremes' have their way?"

The latest controversy stems from yet another Sacramento Bee article today entitled High court will weigh scouting ban for judges. The item leads with, "Spurred by two of California's largest lawyer organizations, the state Supreme Court said Thursday that it will study proposals to bar judges from belonging to the Boy Scouts because the organization discriminates against homosexuals."  "So much for being 'pro-choice' when it comes to one's right to 'free association' protections afforded by our U.S. Constitution.

The article goes on:

The justices' announcement gave no hint as to how the issue might be resolved. It was so cryptic that "Boy Scouts" and "homosexuality" were not mentioned. But it acknowledged that the genesis was a pair of proposals from county bars in San Francisco and Los Angeles, the leaders in a push to change judicial canons of ethics to forbid Scout membership.

The Santa Clara County Bar adopted a similar resolution. The Alameda County Bar is weighing one.

"I do believe that the tide is turning," said Angela Bradstreet, president of the Bar Association of San Francisco for the past year and the leader of the movement. "I do believe that there's a real momentum now for a change."

California Chief Justice Ronald George is "clearly taking it very seriously," said Bradstreet, who had an hourlong meeting with the chief justice to discuss the resolutions last week.

No wonder Shakespeare suggested we all shoot the lawyers. It's time to reclaim our heritage and defend our rights against such assaults. Begging the larger question, "when is it time to impeach the 9th Circuit Court" perhaps we can strike back with our wallets instead of our mouths. This Christmas season or "Holiday" season for those on The Court who would object to Christ's birth being celebrated, perhaps a donation to the Boy Scouts of America is in order. Perhaps Free Republic Network Chapters could ban together and urge 60,000 FReepers craft a strategy that will unite conservatives in support the scouts and taking on each bar association that has pledged to support this lunacy in our courts.

With all the resources and resolve of Freepers, can we find a way to launch a preemptive strike and tell the media, the courts, our legislatures and our President that we've had enough?. Please give it your FReeper best!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Free Republic; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; gay; homosexual; scouts


Freep4Freedom - Support your local Scouts

Boy Scouts of America, National Council · P.O. Box 152079 · Irving, Texas 75015-2079
For information about Scouting in your area or donate to them, contact your local council.

1 posted on 12/20/2002 2:37:56 PM PST by comwatch
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2 posted on 12/20/2002 2:42:44 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: comwatch
I send the San Francisco BSA a contribution every year. They're really in the belly of the beast -- where NAMBLA is considered good and the Scouts evil.
3 posted on 12/20/2002 2:54:26 PM PST by omega4412
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To: comwatch
Those interested in helpng the Scouts defend their First Amendment rights against the onslaught of those who attack them in court cases, should visit this site:

www.defendscouting.com

It is operated by colleagues of mine who are associated with Judge Robert Bork. I fully share their beliefs that Scouting is an excellent program for boys and young men. As for me, one of my finest teachers and role models was my Scoutmaster, Dr. Carl Zapffe. He was Scoutmaster of Troop 35 in Baltimore, Md., for forty years. In that time he turned out more than 240 Eagles.

Congressman Billybob

Click for latest column on UPI, "Junk Science - Harvard and Beyond" (Not yet on UPI wire, nor FR.)

Click for latest book, "to Restore Trust in America"

4 posted on 12/20/2002 3:53:59 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: comwatch
IMPEACHING FEDERAL JUDGES:A COVENANTAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSE TO JUDICIAL TYRANNY
5 posted on 12/20/2002 4:46:44 PM PST by Remedy
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To: comwatch
Balancing the Ninth

It was the fifth time the Ninth Circuit had been reversed in a month. Seven of eight cases already decided by the high Court this year from the Ninth Circuit have been reversed, and six of those seven were by unanimous or nearly unanimous rulings. A few years ago, the Supreme Court even took the extraordinary step of issuing a special order barring the Ninth Circuit from issuing any further last-minute rulings in a death penalty case. The year I was fortunate enough to serve as a law clerk at the Supreme Court, 28 of 29 cases from the Ninth Circuit resulted in reversals. It is almost as if one could write a word processing macro — call it the [Alt-9] macro — which would automatically insert at the end of any opinion involving a case from the Ninth Circuit the following conclusion: "The opinion of the Ninth Circuit is reversed; the decision of the Court is unanimous."

The Ninth Circuit is by far the largest Circuit Court in the country. It is the largest geographically, covering the western states of California, Arizona, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Alaska, and Hawaii — more than one-third of the entire nation. Thus it is no surprise that the lion's share of cases taken by the Supreme Court each term recently come from the Ninth Circuit, but it does not explain the high reversal rate.

6 posted on 12/20/2002 4:50:35 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
Remedy....

THANK YOU! A most excellent treatise on the subject. I am not surprised, albeit saddened that only three FReepers would reply or engage in the discussion. For those who prefer FR-Lite:

"This article has sought to show that the current movement to impeach federal judges for tyrannical behavior is on firm footing. ...we should never shy away from this powerful safeguard. Even now, because Congress has not used impeachment as a check on the judicial branch, it has become "so weak and torpid as to be capable of lulling offenders into a general security and indifference," as Justice Story warned it would. It is time to revitalize impeachment and to rein in the federal judiciary."

I fear Edmund Burke would be shot at sunrise were he alive today. Finding a list of probable suspects would be no challenge.
7 posted on 12/20/2002 5:34:05 PM PST by comwatch
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To: omega4412
Bless you for your support of the Boy Scouts. Do you think this is an issue that should ring the bells of Free Republic? How do ignite the passion? What else might we do?
8 posted on 12/20/2002 5:39:01 PM PST by comwatch
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thank you sir... the links are a great resource. I would like to ask of you, the same questions I posed in #8. Where should we go from here?

Remedy's stats on the Supremes seems to suggest what any reasonable person would conclude: were we to perform in such a manner, would ANY employer be sanctioned for firing us? "We the people" must demand the same of public officials!
9 posted on 12/20/2002 5:46:05 PM PST by comwatch
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To: comwatch
Boy Scout Bump!
10 posted on 12/20/2002 5:46:50 PM PST by SAMWolf
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To: comwatch
Someone will take this to court. It will be decided that the Bar associations have no right to do this. At least this time it won't be the BSA's money that's being used up on lawyers.
11 posted on 12/20/2002 9:42:09 PM PST by RonF
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To: comwatch
Has anybody seen my GERBAL ?????????????????
12 posted on 12/20/2002 9:53:01 PM PST by exmoor
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To: comwatch
Point of View - Today's Broadcast
Citizen's Call for Action Petition
to Members of the House Judiciary Committee

I am alarmed and outraged at the tyrannical action taken by two of the judges from the Ninth Circuit Court in banning our Pledge of Allegiance! Please heed the voice of the people on this. We must take action to defend the heritage, the faith, and the freedoms of this great nation by IMPEACHING judges Alfred T. Goodwin and Stephen Reinhardt. They have violated the Constitution by ignoring the will of the people. The framers of our Constitution intended checks and balances to keep freedom alive in this country. Sadly, the judicial system has remained unchecked far too long. I feel that IMPEACHMENT is the appropriate action against these judges who have violated our trust and their Constitutional role. If we do not act, the integrity of our democratic system is at stake and judges will continue to legislate their personal agendas from the bench. Please do everything in you power to start impeachment proceeding on these judges. It is a critical move for the future of our nation!

13 posted on 12/21/2002 7:02:05 AM PST by Remedy
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To: comwatch
Thank You.
Why not set up Gay-athiest-anyone-can-join-no-age-limits-child-molesters-welcome-ex-cons-ok-hyphons-encouraged-scouts?
14 posted on 12/21/2002 7:24:11 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: Blue Collar Christian
The Poisoned Stream. "Gay" Influence in Human History. Volume One. Germany 1890-1945.
Another German organization friendly to open homosexuality was the Wandervogel (Birds of Paradise). A mostly male organization which came into existence before World War I, it was described by Nation writer Lewisohn as "the youth movement from which thousands of storm-troopers came." Toland describes the Wandervogel as youngsters who "tramped around the land, often wearing colorful costumes, in their search for a newway of life." His description of them creates the impression that they were a movement of rebellious youth -- denouncing the perceived hypocrisy of adult society, looking for a sense of purpose, and seeking to express their originality and distinct generational identity: [31]
For the most part from the well-to-do middle class, they despised the liberal bourgeois society they sprang from and were convinced that 'parental religion was largely sham, politics boastful and trivial, economics unscrupulous and deceitful, education stereotyped and lifeless, art trashy and sentimental, literature spurious and commercialized, drama tawdry and mechanical.' They regarded family life as repressive and insincere.
15 posted on 12/21/2002 8:06:45 AM PST by Remedy
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To: Congressman Billybob
These people are morons, BillyBob.
16 posted on 12/21/2002 8:39:12 AM PST by Houmatt
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To: Remedy
No doubt, if the trend continues in California, you will find "The Poisoned Stream" topping the list of hate materials and anyone who might dare to quote from it, accused of hate speech. I have not digested the entire article yet, but recognize the patters of revisionism to my own personal disgust.

That said, I find it troubling, once again, that our topic was pulled from breaking news and thus a wider audience. I really appreciate the thought provoking dialogue that has surfaced. I should think the antics of the 9th Circuit in this most recent debacle would have stirred some debate. Must be my lack of posting skills that is responsible. Some people just can't look tyranny in the eye, let alone, plot a course to oppose it. Open to suggestions and ideas...
17 posted on 12/21/2002 11:23:12 AM PST by comwatch
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To: comwatch
The fascist Gaystapo is in overdrive again, seeking to take away the Constitutional rights of government servants. Soon a judge won't be able to attend an all male poker night or to be a member of the Catholic Church. The fact is, judges, lawyers, etc. etc. have every right to associate with whomever they want - for whatever reasons they want.
18 posted on 12/21/2002 3:59:00 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: comwatch

Must be my lack of posting skills that is responsible. Some people just can't look tyranny in the eye, let alone, plot a course to oppose it. Open to suggestions and ideas...

Court: Citizens have no right to own guns: Federal Panel in S.F. Addresses 2nd Amendment in Upholding State Ban on Assault Weapons A federal appeals court in San Francisco on Thursday found that individual citizens do not have a constitutional right to own a firearm, cutting to the core of the modern debate over gun control and repudiating the gun lobby's most cherished legal argument.

The 9th Circuit establishes law for nine western states, including California. DIAL 911 & DIE OR:

Liberty Counsel ,Urgent Petition, The Ninth Circuit has always been a radical, left-leaning court. A recent survey showed that 80%-90% of the Ninth Circuit’s decisions are reversed by the U.S. Supreme Court. In one recent term, the Supreme Court reversed 24 of the Ninth Circuit’s decisions, and 16 of those decision were reversed by a 9-0 opinion by the United States Supreme Court. It’s hard to find the United States Supreme Court unanimously agreeing on anything, but one thing it has agreed on is that the Ninth Circuit is in left field.

It is time for Congress to take action and impeach the two judges on this Federal Court. They will only act if we all get involved and let them know our outrage. I am asking you to sign this petition and forward it to all your friends. You may not be able to go overseas and fight for our freedoms, but you can take a stand by signing this petition.

One of the two judges in the majority, Stephen Reinhardt, is a holdover from the liberal judges appointed by President Carter. This judge is even left of the Ninth Circuit Court. Judge Reinhardt once issued an opinion that the United States Constitution guarantees the right to assisted suicide. This decision was overruled. During one term of the Supreme Court, this same judge was unanimously reversed 5 separate times by the High Court on 5 separate cases. Obviously a judge like this does not belong on a Federal Court.

This petition will immediately be forwarded to all 535 members of the U.S. Congress. Those members have the authority to remove these judges. This petition will also be sent to President George W. Bush.

19 posted on 12/21/2002 6:40:37 PM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy
Just when I thought I had an original thought!
20 posted on 12/21/2002 7:11:29 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: Remedy
The year I was fortunate enough to serve as a law clerk at the Supreme Court, 28 of 29 cases from the Ninth Circuit resulted in reversals.

Is that 28 of 29 cases that were decided by the Ninth, or 28 of 29 that were appealed? It would seem surprising to me if 96% of the cases for a court were appealed, much less overturned. On the other hand, for the majority of appealed cases to be overturned could say nothing more than that lawyers don't appeal cases they don't expect to win.

21 posted on 12/21/2002 8:13:42 PM PST by supercat
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To: comwatch
Comwatch,

AHHH, I see the bunker lights have been burning deep in the night yet again.

The young people of this country should be protected. I was a scout in canada and my parents never hesitated to enroll me. My troop was at my church and my Sunday school teachers were also my Scout Leaders. It fostered a real family atmosphere. We (dare I say it) said the "Lord's Prayer" and our "oath of allegience" along with the national anthem at the beginnig of each scout night. We learned survival skills and made new friends.

Some organizations should not change. When I wasn't picked for the school hockey team I didn't get a NAACP lawyer to force my high school to let me play. I just practiced harder. When I was refused the opportunity to be in my ROTC drill team, I practiced harder. This is becoming a larger issue than just the boy scouts. Look at the organization that is trying to force the owners of a golf course that has been around longer than these individuals have been alive to allow women to be members.

If I put on a little dress, and sold cookies, can I be a girl scout. I warn you though, If you say no, The NAACP will be calling and I will have you slapped in cuffs for infringing on my equal rights.
22 posted on 12/22/2002 8:30:51 PM PST by crazy canuck
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To: Blue Collar Christian
We alrady have that. It's called the Democratic(bolshevik) Party.
23 posted on 12/23/2002 5:46:04 AM PST by jsraggmann
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To: comwatch
shoot the lawyers.

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." (henry VI, Pt. II, Act IV, Sc. 2)
24 posted on 12/23/2002 7:23:27 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: Congressman Billybob
My Gosh! ROWRRBAZZ Congressman! I too was a Troop 35'er and Dr. Zapffe was a tremendous influence. Remember leadership meetings in the basement of the Green House?

Regards and bump for Scouting...
25 posted on 12/23/2002 7:46:47 AM PST by BlueCrab
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To: supercat

Is that 28 of 29 cases that were decided by the Ninth, or 28 of 29 that were appealed? It would seem surprising to me if 96% of the cases for a court were appealed, much less overturned. On the other hand, for the majority of appealed cases to be overturned could say nothing more than that lawyers don't appeal cases they don't expect to win.

The opinion was issued by a three-judge panel, which means plaintiffs can ask for an 11-judge panel of the same court to review the decision before it would be considered by the U.S. Supreme Court. Court: Citizens have no right to own guns: Federal Panel in S.F. Addresses 2nd Amendment in Upholding State Ban on Assault Weapons

 Balancing the NinthSeven of eight cases already decided by the high Court this year from the Ninth Circuit have been reversed, and six of those seven were by unanimous or nearly unanimous rulings. A few years ago, the Supreme Court even took the extraordinary step of issuing a special order barring the Ninth Circuit from issuing any further last-minute rulings in a death penalty case. The year I was fortunate enough to serve as a law clerk at the Supreme Court, 28 of 29 cases from the Ninth Circuit resulted in reversals. It is almost as if one could write a word processing macro — call it the [Alt-9] macro — which would automatically insert at the end of any opinion involving a case from the Ninth Circuit the following conclusion: "The opinion of the Ninth Circuit is reversed; the decision of the Court is unanimous."

Types of Cases the Court Hears Most common-roughly two-thirds of the total-are requests for review of decisions of federal appellate or district courts. The great majority of cases reach the Supreme Court through its granting of petitions for writs of certiorari, from the Latin certiorari volumnus, "we wish to be informed."

Normally the Writ of Certiorari * says in effect to an appellate court, "Send us the record in this case you decided recently." In very rare instances a writ of certiorari before appellate judgment says, " Send us the record in this case you haven't reviewed yet." It enables the Court to act with maximum speed in unusual cases of great public importance

With some 7,000 petitions annually, deciding which case to decide is a load in itself. According to a court historian, "it is arguably the most important stage in the entire Supreme Court process." In the1999-2000 Term the Court heard argument on 83 cases and decided 74 cases. Four more cases were subsequently remanded or dismissed, bringing total cases accepted and disposed of to . In addition, 50 cases were decided summarily, that is, without argument.

Each Justice determines how he or she will vote to accept or reject each certiorari petition, usually calling for a law clerk's memorandum analyzing the petition. Eight of the Justices make use of a "cert pool" system. As the certiorari petitions are received, their clerks take turns writing memorandums, and each Justice conducts whatever additional research is necessary. Justice Stevens prefers to rely on his own clerks, and all the Justices review all petitions.

Roughly 70 percent of the petitions end at this point, with a vote not to accept the case. The Justices may be satisfied that the decision of the lower court was correct, or that the case has no national significance, or, in some instances, that the Supreme Court lacks jurisdiction. Whatever the reason for denial, the effect is to allow the decision of the lower court to stand.

Of the cases remaining, the Justices screen the problems closely-by a process they explain freely in outline.

The Chief Justice opens the discussion, summarizing each case. The senior Associate Justice speaks next, and comment passes down the line. To be accepted for review, a case needs only four votes, fewer than the majority required for a decision on the case itself. Counsel for the litigants are directed to submit their printed briefs so that each Justice has a set several weeks before argument.

26 posted on 12/23/2002 7:58:00 AM PST by Remedy
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To: Remedy; omega4412; Congressman Billybob; Blue Collar Christian; yendu bwam; crazy canuck; ...
Remedy...

I am reluctant to ping these days, but just this once... perhaps you and the others who have shown an interest in this small thread would pass the word below, check out this upcoming conference and tell me if it's something we should put our best efforts towards. It was passed on to me by a VERY conservative lady who I sometimes disagree with. Also, for those who are talk radio fans and willing to become more active on this very issue, send me an email:

E-mail Patriotwatch

Dave: Pass it on!  FYI Santa Rosa is located 70 miles N. of San Franciso. This is Lynn Woolsey,Barbara Boxer , Mike Thompson, grey Davis zone!  15 miles from the Bohemian Grove as well. A real hot spot for the NWOites! That's the bad news, and here's the good news.  One of the nations most active Eagle Forum is in Santa Rosa/Sonoma County as well as  J.A.I.L.; the Sons of Liberty; Right to Keep and Bear; John Birch; and others.  The patriots there are putting up a good fight in light of the opposition!  
 
To California JAILers
(Please Pass Along To Others)
 

To:  California J.A.I.L.4Judges

From:   Suzanne LeBoeuf, Associate JAILer-In-Chief, California, (707) 425-4124 and email:  icsn2202@yahoo.com 

Re:  CALIFORNIA JUDICIAL ACCOUNTABILITY CONFERENCE

When:  April 19, 2003  at  9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.

Where:  Santa Rosa Vet's Memorial Building, 1351 Maple Avenue, Santa Rosa, California

Seating capacity: 1,000

This conference will feature speakers Ron Branson and Barbie.  This will be an opportunity to raise money and awareness about the Judicial Accountability Initiative Law so that we can start raising the income needed to pass this initiative. 

The public is invited to speak out about their problems with the courts.  There will be a microphone for audience speakers who will have a specified time to speak, such as for 10 minutes, since many hundreds are expected to want to be heard.

I am asking that JAILers help this event be a success, by attending, planning, and advertising this conference.  We have a prime opportunity also to sell J.A.I.L. t-shirts and J.A.I.L. tapes, etc. since there will be tables provided for J.A.I.L. and other agreed-upon groups to display and sell items.  A banner would be great as this is a huge auditorium. 

Admission:  $15 in advance by April 5, 2003,  $25 at the door.  Scholarships available by contacting me.  No one turned away!  Costs are to cover the building at $75/hour for 10 hours and $1 million liability insurance.  $215 has been paid to secure the building by "gold-lined pockets" (I wish), yours truly.  Others have offered donations to  help advertise this event already!

Other speakers are being lined up, and suggestions for speakers are also requested. 

Catering will be available so that people can eat since we will not stop for a formal lunch break.  The caterer will be paid directly by the public; this is not included in the ticket price.  Mark McCoy has a caterer in mind he knows personally.  We have huge coffee-makers provided by the Vet's Memorial building. 

The media will be invited as well as one or two friends who will videotape this event.  Taping for cassette tape would be great if anyone has a quality tape-recorder and would like to be in charge of this.  Donation containers will need to be manned.  I could use help with ticket-collectors at the door.  Other ideas are welcome.

Conference website: http://www.icsn.info

Please contact me, and thank you for any help you can provide.  We know how much we need to pass the J.A.I.L. initiative!  I hope to hear from you soon!


27 posted on 12/23/2002 6:04:44 PM PST by comwatch
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To: comwatch; Carry_Okie; Grampa Dave; forester; sasquatch; B4Ranch; SierraWasp; hedgetrimmer; ...
OK, it's not property rights like my usual pings but my mom & dad are vets and mom worked for law inforcement. I will support Comwatch's stuff.
28 posted on 12/23/2002 8:16:57 PM PST by farmfriend
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To: farmfriend
bump
29 posted on 12/23/2002 8:20:13 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: sasquatch
DITTO, DITTO, DITTO!!!
30 posted on 12/23/2002 8:31:06 PM PST by bigfootbob
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To: comwatch

Judicial Accountability Initiative Law

LONG OVERDUE:

On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), letter to Judge William Johnson, (from Monticello, June 12, 1823)

The Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary, as distinguished from technical meaning; where the intention is clear, there is no room for construction, and no excuse for interpolation or addition. - Martin v. Hunter's Lessee, 1 Wheat 304; Gibbons v. Ogden, 9 Wheat 419; Brown v. Maryland, 12 Wheat 419; Craig v. Missouri, 4 Pet 10; Tennessee v. Whitworth, 117 U.S. 139; Lake County v. Rollins, 130 U.S. 662; Hodges v. United States, 203 U.S. 1; Edwards v. Cuba R. Co., 268 U.S. 628; The Pocket Veto Case, 279 U.S. 655; (Justice) Story on the Constitution, 5th ed., Sec 451; Cooley's Constitutional Limitations, 2nd ed., p. 61, 70.

31 posted on 12/23/2002 9:09:04 PM PST by Remedy
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!
32 posted on 12/24/2002 3:09:32 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: comwatch
What else might we do?

That's a good question. Just seems like one day I woke up in bizarro world, where up is down and down is up. It just can't get any stranger than this - A concerted effort by elected officials and/or the government to cripple institutions, our values, mores and philosophies - the fabric of our society and replace with perverted polar opposites of what we know to be Good.

What's sad is hearing the "debate" about whether we are allowed to say "Merry Christmas" in the US without offending anyone, as if this is some leading-edge part of the culture war. Forget it folks. Long ago they managed to gut substantive religious values from all walks of public life, and to add insult to injury, using the very Amendment designed to protect religion. The Boy Scouts are just one of those remnants that are next in line to be Purged. They don't want to pay any attention to a given law until they can get it changed in their favor - and then it becomes Gospel, of course.
33 posted on 12/24/2002 3:47:06 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: comwatch
Why can gays discriminate on gender but Boyscouts cannot be disgusted by these fascists? I have a big problem with those who see sex as a privileged act and not as a life privileging act, and I cannot understand for the life of me why a court would start a war and disturb the peace for these people's privileges as opposed to the right and job the Boyscouts have. In fact, arent they supporting form over substance here? Dumping the boyscouts because they are not "pure" according to a government is the most fascist proposition yet.
34 posted on 12/24/2002 1:01:56 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: comwatch
Thank you, I will be sending what I can monitarily, a scholarship or two, at least, come payday.
35 posted on 12/25/2002 1:03:29 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian
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To: omega4412
NAMBLA's. You Clinton voters. NAMBLA is the reason for having a bunch of perverts in need of a castration. Step on my property you will get a .32 cal castration.
36 posted on 12/25/2002 1:07:18 AM PST by starboardside
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