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Boy Scouts Vs. United Way In California
CBS News ^

Posted on 12/26/2002 4:01:14 PM PST by RCW2001

CAMARILLO, Calif., Dec. 26, 2002



 (CBS/AP)



After the June 2000 Supreme Court decision which affirmed the Boy Scouts' right to ban gays, about 50 local United Way chapters pulled their financial support - but that's only about five percent of chapters nationwide.


(CBS) A Boy Scout is always supposed to be prepared, but the Ventura County, California, scouts were blindsided when, after 57 years, the local United Way stopped funding them, reports CBS News Correspondent Sandra Hughes.

"We were getting allocations from United Way of about $50,000 a year," said Dave Graska of the Ventura County Boy Scouts.

The United Way decision was made after the Boy Scouts of America announced it would exclude gays from the organization.

The charity then passed an inclusiveness policy stating it would only fund: "...agencies that provide services ... without discriminating on the basis of ... sexual orientation."

"The reality is there are a lot of people in Ventura county who happen to agree with our policy," said Dave M. Smith, president of the United Way of Ventura County.

Not major donors Denny and Allyson Weinberg, who gave $100,000 to the United Way last year.

"This was very confusing because this inclusiveness policy came out of nowhere," said Denny Weinberg. "It wasn't promoted, there was no press release, there was no letter to donors about this."

The Weinbergs were so upset they stopped giving to the United Way and launched their own fundraising effort called "Friends of Ventura County Scouts."

Their ads urge supporters to donate: "The Boy Scouts of America are making a positive difference in our community yet United Way of Ventura County is ending their support for the Scouts."

So far the group has raised almost $80,000, much more than the United Way ever planned to give.

"People love scouting, it's an American tradition, it's like baseball for heaven's sakes," said Allyson Weinberg.

After the June 2000 Supreme Court decision which affirmed the Boy Scouts' right to ban gays, about 50 local United Way chapters pulled their financial support - but that's only about five percent of chapters nationwide.

"We don't base our policy on what the United Way chapter in Lexington, Kentucky, or Fargo, North Dakota happens to think the policy should be," said Ventura County's David Smith.

But the United Way did try to compromise, offering $50,000 to an educational program affiliated with the scouts.

For now, the Ventura County scouts don't want the money.

"We respect the right of the United Way to establish its values, just as we have the right to establish ours," said scout leader Dave Graska.

A sentiment shared by many in a town now divided between two of its most cherished institutions.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; scouts
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1 posted on 12/26/2002 4:01:14 PM PST by RCW2001
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2 posted on 12/26/2002 4:03:06 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: RCW2001
Everyone who has been duped by United Way needs to disconnect ASAP.

Despite the HUGE corporate pressure, I have refused to knowingly give one penny to these Marxist parasites so they can fund abortion and man-boy-momo relationships.

Stand strong, you do not HAVE to give any of your life's blood to United Way.

GIVE to the charity that supports your world view, not the New World Order View.
3 posted on 12/26/2002 4:06:44 PM PST by HadEnough
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
I quit giving to united way when that fiasco about planned parenthood was going on about a decade ago. But why would I use United Way anyway? I can give directly to charities myself.


After taking a "tour of organizations supported by United Way" about 11 years ago, I consider them a political organization, pure and simple. I yanked my support right after that tour. My boss at the time understood.
4 posted on 12/26/2002 4:08:21 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: HadEnough
Ditto. What you said. I quit giving several years ago for similiar reasons. Even their so-called directed giving, where they allow you to select charities to send your donation to is a scam, since they simply adjust the %'age sent to the charity. Interestingly enough, there isn't the corporate pressure that there used to be.
5 posted on 12/26/2002 4:21:58 PM PST by 1riot1ranger
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To: RCW2001
Go Boy Scouts! It breaks my heart that a group that truly exists for the pure purpose of building character, and understands the risks that the Catholic Church did not, is being pilloried. It's not a don't ask and don't tell equivocation, it's building character. God Bless'em.
6 posted on 12/26/2002 4:26:29 PM PST by Thebaddog
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To: RCW2001
The idiots in the United Way haven't figured it out yet... When they cut off the Boy Scouts, they force donors to give directly to the Scouts, and cut United Way completely out! In every instance, the Scouts actually get more in donations WITHOUT the United Way (plus, United Way can't skim their "cut").

We have been avoiding United Way in North Carolina for years. I also refuse to knowingly do business with any company that forces their employees to donate to United Way.

7 posted on 12/26/2002 4:28:46 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: RCW2001
bttt...rto
8 posted on 12/26/2002 4:33:21 PM PST by visitor
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To: RCW2001
I specifically designated that my Missouri United Way contribution go to the Boy Scouts. They have not returned my money yet, and if they don't give it to the Boy Scouts, they will have nice little lawsuit/public relations nightmare on their hands.
9 posted on 12/26/2002 4:39:19 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: HadEnough
I quit giving to the United Way, despite the pressure, over this matter. I didn't care too much for the corruption within the organization, either.

It doesn't make sense to give to them instead of giving directly to a charity, anyway. They take a cut to perpetuate themselves and to enforce their politically correct view on the world.

10 posted on 12/26/2002 4:43:27 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: RCW2001
It's time for some "Camarillo Brillo".

FMCDH(fz)

11 posted on 12/26/2002 4:49:34 PM PST by nothingnew
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To: RobRoy
Ditto

Give to the Scouts directly

12 posted on 12/26/2002 4:49:40 PM PST by apackof2
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To: TommyDale
LOve it!

Being "P.C." will, perhaps, be the final nail in their coffin. Corruption and over-paid administrators started the mistrust. They will have to change their tune to survive. Get ready for the U.W.'s forthcoming chameleon act.

13 posted on 12/26/2002 4:56:44 PM PST by capt. norm
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To: RCW2001
The United Way is like the environmentalist groups. They simply exist to exist. Their aim is to perpetuate themselves--and their salaries--and they don't give a flip about their supposed causes.
14 posted on 12/26/2002 4:59:15 PM PST by Pushi
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To: RobRoy
For as many years as I can remember, the United Way has coerced people in the workplace to pledge. Several bosses told me that my pledge would be noted in my evaluation for a raise.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the big bosses go to the meetings and pledge to give a certain amount. And then they brow beat their employees to give so that they can get their picture taken with a check in the newspaper.

I loathe this organization.
15 posted on 12/26/2002 5:05:18 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: Conservababe
One boss, in 1983, I believe, wanted me to donate ONE DOLLAR a year so our team could have 100% participation. I caved, and donated the dollar, but I was young and stupid.
16 posted on 12/26/2002 5:08:21 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: RCW2001
United Way is part of the United Nations
17 posted on 12/26/2002 5:11:47 PM PST by FreeSpeechZone
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
simple solution.....screw the UNITED WAY...let the fags & homos pay the freight for the feel good & P/C stuff.
18 posted on 12/26/2002 5:14:23 PM PST by pointsal
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To: RCW2001
Reminder to self bump... GIVE TO BOY SCOUTS...

We need more groups that will stand up to, and stop, perverted agendas from being rammed down their throats.

19 posted on 12/26/2002 5:25:26 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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To: pointsal
simple solution.....screw the UNITED WAY...let the fags & homos pay the freight for the feel good & P/C stuff.

yep... I make a point of NOT giving to the United Way.

Every year I tell as many people as I can about the director hiring relatives and $300,000 salary. They are a joke. I work at a Catholic Hospital and make a point of telling the CEO and CFO that I'll donate to the Hospital Trust or fund the Charity Health Van but not a dime to the United Way. Then I hand the check right to them in front of the nurses or staff present. How can they refuse?

Find out the bosses favorite charity or church or school scholarship program. Then tell them why you aren't donating to the United Way and donate the money in the bosses name to the charity of his choice by presnting him with the check made out to the other charity and not the United Way..... that way you get brownie points and screw the United Way.

20 posted on 12/26/2002 6:15:14 PM PST by Dick Vomer
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